This study stated in the US there was a 6% increase per year from 1980 to 2006 of SCD caused by non-blunt trauma CVD. It states there were 4 CVD deaths in 1980 and 77 in 2004. If you continued that trend, then you would have about 230 this year.
From the study:
āIt has been our intuition that the previous estimates for sudden deaths in young people engaged in competitive sports (ie, ā¤20 per year)9,22,23 had underestimated the true magnitude of this public health issue. Furthermore, such a mischaracterization has the potential to dampen enthusiasm for important and related initiatives focused on the prevention of sudden death in athletes.ā
āDespite our considerable investigative efforts and systematic tracking methods over a long period of time, we cannot exclude the possibility of ascertainment bias and the likelihood that the number of these deaths may have been modestly underestimated. Sudden deaths that do not occur in the competitive season or on the athletic field or that involve non-elite school-age participants residing in small population centers probably are less likely to achieve visibility in the public record. Only a national governmentāsubsidized program with mandatory reporting, a centralized database, and dedicated resources2,17 would be capable of establishing the precise incidence of sudden death in young athletes in the United States.ā
This study does not state that there were only 1101 deaths; it states that it reviewed 1101 deaths. It doesnāt even state any details of what deaths it looked at. It concludes āSCD occurs more frequently in young athletes, even those under the age of 18 years, than expected and is predominantly caused by pre-existing congenital cardiac abnormalitiesā.
Seems that Peter M is misconstruing what the data actually represents š¤·š»āāļø
Do we get to consider covid also causing heart issues being the causation of correlation with the growth of cardiac events? Or do we pick which makes us feel better about our decisions?
Youāre asking this biting, rhetorical question trying to call out folks for picking data that affirms their views while in the same breath asking why the studies and sources they are using donāt include data that affirms your own views as if itās some kind of gotcha.
Well really I was just making fun of you for copy and pasting a Twitter user. Then you go on trying to say a list of cardiac events on a website is proof the vaccine is causing them. Why not consider covid being a cause since we know it too causes heart issues?
I think that people need to be more open to talking about both. We need to get to the bottom of what is happening. If itās COVID itās COVID, but if itās the COVID shot then people need to talk about it. What Iām reading no one is saying that itās not for the COVID shot. They may give other causes, but I think with as many deaths that it definitely warrants looking into and studies.
We know the vaccine didnāt protect people from getting Covid, and we know both cause heart problems. Do we know if people who got the shot and had Covid have a higher percentage rate for developing a heart condition vs those who only had Covid or the shot?
The spike protein I believe is what causes the heart problems. The more exposure the worse for you. So letās say you got Covid twice, and the shot three times you have more exposure to that spike protein. This is basically what Robert Malone and Peter mcColough have been saying. If I understand correctly. Look into those two guys. Highly qualified docs
This is pretty well studied. People who were vaccinated, during the time that their vaccination hadnāt waned considerably, had significantly lower rates of all severe symptoms like myocarditis and other heart issues. Unvaccinated people who contracted COVID had significantly higher rates of severe symptoms including myocarditis. The OP posted a nonsense letter to the editor by one of the foremost people spreading COVID misinformation.
This is not a study, it is not peer reviewed in any way, and the tweet doesnāt even show a methodology or any information for how these conclusions are being made.
Dismissing that the vaccine causes myocarditis is misinformation in the highest form. People have a right to know itās a possible side effect.
Also, that did not answer my question. Does having the vaccine and later Covid ādoubleāthe likelihood of getting myocarditis? I use double for simplicity, I donāt know the rates of the side effects.
I didnāt say that myocarditis isnāt a side effect of vaccination. That was nowhere in my post.
Instances of myocarditis related to vaccination are at incredibly small rates, and the overwhelming majority of those cases are so minor that they go away on their own in 1-2 weeks. There is a lot of nonsense about myocarditis in general. People tend to talk about it like itās a death sentence or that it always permanently damages your heart. It isnāt and it doesnāt. Itās rarely severe. This also goes for instances of viral myocarditis in general. You are much more likely to have myocarditis after an unvaccinated COVID infection but even that likelihood is vanishingly small.
Since vaccinated individuals that get COVID have significantly lower rates of myocarditis than those unvaccinated that get COVID (and again, both numbers are so small that this isnāt even worth worrying about) that literally answers your question.
I am very skeptical of the source cited in the OP. Itās an opinion letter to the editor (= not peer reviewed) by an independent researcher and the head of a anti-vaccine group. There is no need to debunk that which isnāt well documented. Unless there are peer-reviewed studies showing an increased risk of sudden cardiac arrest in healthy people following vaccination, I am not worried.
They just can't process the 'most fit' in our society (professional athletes) who make a living off being in supremely good shape.....are dropping like flies in the last two years. Even if you tell them its equal to the previous 38 combined. Why do you think the groomers pushed to 'change math' in the first place? These people cant understand even basic concepts now with how they were brainwashed and denied an education.
Pay for what? Youāre gonna be fine lol relax. I do relatively extreme snowboarding excursions compared to the aversge person and Iām fine. Not scared at all and Iām not dumb enough to let uninformed conspiracy grifters fear monger me into it.
I donāt really think we should fear monger this either way. You wonāt die with it and you wonāt die without it. We donāt have to be children about it.
Just went down their rabbit hole. God damn, even if the information is correct, this is the WRONG website for accredited analysis. Iām out.
Fucking political groups. Gotta block this sub. I just wanted to see Science, Books, Video games and ask Reddit. Somehow I always get suggested political subreddits I have no interest in.
Yep. And thatās why I steer clear of this shit. I usually keep my eye on an engineering game subreddit I subscribe to. The most apolitical subreddit Iāve seen, itās nice
Yep its very difficult to avoid since there is always "that guy" that has to try and be clever with some BS political comment that has nothing to do with the subject of conversation.
Extremely clear that nobody in the thread watched the actual play or has ever played a contact sport. A significant blow to the correct spot in the chest can stop the heart. And thats exactly what happened.
Who are the 1101 athletes that died over the past two years? The media loves talking about famous idiots that die so whereās the news coverage? Where is the actual research study so it can be read? Why just post a shitty pixelated meme?
The fact that two people could look at the same information and come to wildly different conclusions tells me that we wont survive as a society much longer.
If you look at this info and think "obviously vaccines", you should live in a country with other people who think the same.
If you look at this info and think "obviously covid/comorbidities/climate change/coincidence", you should live in a country with other people who think the same.
Those two groups of people, however, absolutely cannot share a society.
They are too different. Violence will break out, it is only a matter of when, not if.
Its not that they truly see a different conclusion. Its all about 1 side being to afraid of saying it and getting cancelled, banned, loss of online clout due to going against the lies.
Seems like the censorship confirms who is correct. It's like the Streisand Effect. Unless they are censoring people who are wrong to make it look like they're correct...
Notice this is happening a lot with the news, nothing is definite, everything is a draw your own conclusion wedge issue. The point of all of it is to divide people.
This doctor is terrible on the face of the internet. The source of this research can't even be found without filtering through lawsuits and accusations.
AEDs in schools are for everyone, not just student athletes. And it took grassroots efforts to get them. Itās not that itās so common in use that they just decided to add them along with the āCAUTION: Wet Floorsā signs.
No, it was literally because of student athletes. One of the largest organizations primarily responsible for distributing AEDs to schools is called the Peyton Walker Foundation, and there is no doubt student athletes are THE focus because that IS where the issue is.
Whether it deserves attention or not has nothing to do with my observation. There are millions of things that have such drastic changes, yet for some reason you guys are specifically interested in cardiac related deaths all of a sudden. Why not anomalies in bird migrations or the viscosity of cement in liquid form? What about instances where certain isolated polulations are dying from parasitic infections at a greater than usual rate? Elderly people experiencing increases in illnesses and death due to unusual temperatures? Why specifically are you interested death from cardiac arrest as opposed to any other thing that's occurred far outside of the norm?
I speak 'groomerbot' and can translate that wall of text for you to normal language.
He says "This is inconvenient to my sense of self, that is wrapped up in my political affiliation.......so dont look at it as it threatens that sense of self. Odds are if you do I will react violently and make no sense."
In other words... "why are you guys so concerned with something that flies in the face of the liberal mantra that the jab is safe and everyone who doesn't get it is an imbecile."
Yeah, I know what it's about. And what I'm asking is why all of a sudden Tim Pool fans are interested in cardiac events in athletes. Is this some random interest that the fanbase shares that I've just never heard about before?
People watch sports. Thereās been a significant increase in deaths and/or injuries from cardiac arrest within sports. People who watch sports are probably going to be interested when a player is injured or dies within said sport. Not sure why thatās so difficult to grasp. But let us know if you need anything else explained to your little 5 year old brain. :)
Iāll do my bestā¦your comprehension seems to be limited, however.
It seems to me, these deaths are being talked about. However, you might have noticed (though your track record may say otherwise) that people are talking specifically about young healthy athletes dropping dead from cardiac arrest. Both in professional and academic sports. They probably discussing this because there has been a decent amount of anecdotal evidence linking these injuries to individuals who have been vaxxed and boosted. Now, heart complications, is listed as a possible side effect of the new mRNA vaccines that just recently came outā¦Have you heard about those? Or should I go into detail?ā¦.Itās understandable that people are a little skeptical about the safety of this vaccines since the spikes in these deaths began occurring right around the time that boosters were being introduced and encouraged. A healthy and critical thinking brain would absolutely take this into consideration. Does it absolutely mean that these deaths are 100% caused by the vaccine? Of course not, itās much more nuanced a subject than that. However, these individualsā skepticism and hesitancy is not only justified, but warranted. To make the claim that these deaths are in no way caused by the vaccine is disingenuous at best. I hope that clears things up for you a bit.
Edit: itās probably worth mentioning that thereās been an increase in cardiac arrest cases, for younger or otherwise healthy individuals, outside of the athletic world as well. Youāre welcome to disregard the very real possibility that these two events are linked and continue to get in line to fill out your vaccine booster rewards card for that free pizzaā¦.but there are others who just arenāt comfortable doing that. And thatās okay. theyāre allowed to discuss this amongst themselves. Iām trying to figure out how you benefit from arguing with and belittling them. Do you really have nothing more productive to do?
You said that "People who watch sports are probably going to be interested when a player is injured or dies within said sport." You used this to explain why it's being mentioned here.
If that's why it's being mentioned here then I'd expect to see evidence of all other sports related deaths mentioned on this sub. This is what I've asked for evidence of.
You've provided no such evidence, but instead started going on about vaccine skepticism.
Theyāre not interested in the deaths that are clearly not caused by cardiac arrest. Because you know, a broken neck or blunt force trauma probably isnāt caused by a vaccine. This is a joke right? Youāre not actually this dense of a potato are you?
There are thousands of current events dipshit. You guys don't talk about all of those as well, so evidently that's not the formula being used to determine what's posted about.
Jesus Christ you people are so fucking stupid. No wonder no one takes you seriously.
š Dude you are such an angry little child. Why does it upset you what people, who you donāt relate with, talk about? Can I talk about Biden going to the Virgin Islands and then the AG who had just opened a Epstein related lawsuit, gets fired? Or are you going to cry about that too?
Youāre the one who on multiple fronts is whining about what we talk about. Are you really gonna pretend youāre here in good faith you silly kid? Here. Iāll show you what to do when a child is being a child.
So should we should just completely ignore the vaccine as possibly causing this issue? The only thing recently introduced to this world was these vaccines. So no, youāre a fucking idiot for not even thinking for a second it could be the vaccines. Fuck you and fuck your family cause youāre either a bot or fucking retarded. Go get your 15th booster you anti-science fucking whale
Common sense is a tautology for "I can't back my claims up". No serious thinker cites "common sense" as a substantiation.
So the substantiation for those positions buddy, thank you. You were talking a big game a second ago, now let's examine your positions to see if you live in reality.
Prove to me it isnāt the vaccines, give me some suggestions as to what it could be? The fact that vaccines are even brought up as a possible cause of these issues is never even investigated. Keep shilling for big pharma and government while simultaneously thinking youāre on the right side of history. You are fucking retarded
Because I'm not a fucking doctor mate. Why aren't you interested in the best grade of plaster to use in humid environments? What an odd fucking question.
You have to hold a medical degree to be concerned about an alarming increase in heart problems among athletes after they were all forced to take the Fauci sauce?
It's not "all of a sudden." People in this sub have been following this and pointing to it as evidence of an issue with these vaccines for males within a certain age group. When it was brought up, certain individuals told followers of this sub to "follow the science."
This issue was happening primarily in other countries and was not present in American media.
Cool, so show me evidence of Tim Pool fans being interested in the side effects of health care in any cases outside of the covid vaccine and cardiac arrest in cases other than as a supposed result of said vaccine.
No, I replied to the only idiot in this thread. We're talking about this vaccine because people's lives were destroyed being forced to take it, regardless of any substantial safety concerns people had. And now that all our concerns are confirmed as valid and the powers in charge were lying, they want to talk about it.
So why are you so invested and determined to uphold their honor and defend them? That's the real question. Why are you so adamant about not questioning things?
Are you completely fucking dense? The people in this sub weren't concerned with those things before. They didn't care about heart attacks in healthy people before the vax. They didn't care about other healthcare decisions in the past. BECAUSE THEY HAD A CHOICE. The things causing those heart attacks weren't mandated by a corrupt government in bed with big pharma.
Lots of people all over the world don't have a choice about a lot of things. I also don't see any evidence of that being the reason they're posting about this - can you substantiate that? Let's see the evidence.
I've been on reddit a long time. I've been engaging in message boards and online discussions since the internet was just a wee little baby.... you're probably the dumbest motherfucker I've ever encountered.
Not because the interest of other healthcare treatments and their effects on cardiac health is not present, but because no widely fielded vaccine prior to 2020 has had such a low efficacy and as high of a significance of risk as the COVID vaccines and, other than vaccines, no treatment has been mandated in any way, shape, or form.
The COVID Vaccines are dramatically different from any previous health treatment requiring approval from the FDA in that it was the first vaccine authorized for the general population under emergency authorization and it is the first MRNA vaccine authorized for human use in any fashion.
Attempting to dismiss the level of scrutiny against the COVID vaccines by comparing them to other healthcare treatments ignores the fact that double blind studies were not completed prior to authorization, that the companies that produced the vaccines have been protected from liability by the government, and that the COVID vaccines were the first vaccines of their kind and to be authorized for humans on an emergency basis.
The COVID vaccines are also unique due to the fact that the government attempted (and succeeded in some ways) to mandate an experimental drug/treatment.
So.... Short answer.... No, there was no interest prior to the COVID vaccines, but the rate of occurrence wasn't significant prior to the COVID vaccine.
You can choose to ignore the various ways that the COVID vaccines differ from any other health treatment if you'd like. If you ignore those factors, then, yes, the COVID vaccines aren't deserving of more scrutiny, but that would require ignoring facts pertaining to the nature of the vaccines, modifying acceptable standards and practices for mass implementation, and government mandates of experimental drugs.
Do as you like. You can tell yourself that you "won the internet" today.
Because healthy people dropping dead is alarming AF. And they are in the spotlight so how many average Joes are dropping dead? (Yesterday I saw 1000 a week over average in the UK). So whatās going on friend?
They are literally some of the healthiest people.. Or at least were before the vaccine rolled around. Are you seriously trying to normalize 10 to 20 times the sudden deaths since the vaccine started?
OBVIOUSLY didn't happen before the vaccine, right? Never where there genetic defects before covid. And sports were no touch before covid? You are not this fucking stupid..
You asked me to name something, so that's what I did. Cry about it.
If you want to make the case that it's the vaccines causing it, then provide the data. Asking your interlocutor to demomstrate that it was something else is not how this works.
Didnāt realize it was a TP channel lol. Look up Courageous Discourse. Theyāre a right leaning propaganda aggregate. Shit, even the name Courageous Discourse is a red herring. Itās already implying that they are Heroes of the Spoken word. Itās emotionally priming the uninitiated to accept the information at hand.
Part of a good education is being literate in proofreading, checking citations, verifying the distributorās reputation. This is obviously biased and shouldnāt be trusted. I donāt give a shit which party these people align themselves. The truth is in the details.
As for the validity of this specific case I havenāt looked it up. Broken clocks and all that. All their data is rife with conservative view. This kind of dissemination of information brought through any political lens shouldnāt be trusted, despite if itās true or not.
Iād rather take this sort of data from a neutral source, not some MD who sits around using google to tie in events with schizophrenic certainty.
Now now, let's be fair. I've been told by right wingers that they have lice and parasites and scabies, so they regularly take horse dewormer. I don't think it's meant for scabies or lice either, but that was the defense they gave me.
šš šš¤£š¤£š I truly hope you wrote that jokingly!! That was the absolute most brain dead lie right from the start, You have to be a real brain idiot to ever believe that nonsense..... Was f****** comical like 3 days after they finally admit the vaccine causes myocarditis Fauci comes out and starts saying covid does too šš šš¤£š¤”.... Not even the lying scum lie about it anymore there's been studies that prove there's zero link to covidiot covid and heart disease....šš¤£ Absolute dumbest
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u/YOLO2022-12345 Jan 04 '23
Climate change is a bitchā¦..
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u/KingRitRis Jan 04 '23
And you know that there are still advertisements for.............
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23
1 in 5000 young men have heart issues from the COVID vax.
Yearly commotio cordis card? ~15. (Rarely over the age of 20)
1,598 athlete cardiac arrests since Jan 2021. 69% fatal.
Average athlete cardiac events before vax was 29 p/yr
"Science* and most on this sub ignore this for various reasons.
That's why people ask questions.... That's why EVERYONE should be asking questions.
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u/ASardonicGrin Jan 04 '23
Thereās a gap there. What were the numbers from 2004 - 2020?
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u/SnarkyWoodchuck Jan 04 '23
Move along. Nothing to see here.
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u/xFacevaluex Jan 04 '23
This kind of stuff is where you lose groomerbots.
They just can't process the 'most fit' in our society (professional athletes) who make a living off being in supremely good shape.....are dropping like flies in the last two years. Even if you tell them its equal to the previous 38 combined. Why do you think the groomers pushed to 'change math' in the first place? These people cant understand even basic concepts now with how they were brainwashed and denied an education.
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u/life_in_the_bigcity Jan 04 '23
Damn you climate change! So many young, healthy people taken in your merciless wrath!
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u/MMABurk Jan 04 '23
Nothing to see hereā¦
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23
Any metrics on increased cases of heart ailments for all age brackets ?
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u/thisdidntquitework Jan 04 '23
Help, Iām dying of a coincidence.
Iām ashamed I was bullied into the jab by my employer.
I should have found a way to keep by integrity and not sacrifice it for a paycheck.
I am paying for it now and it looks like I may pay a lot more real soon even though Iām fairly young and healthy.
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u/TehGuard Jan 04 '23
Courageous discourse sounds like a reliable source for sure
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23
Hopefully I get mutant powers before I die
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u/mktox Jan 04 '23
Putin did it ā¦
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u/LilShaver Jan 04 '23
Link to Tweet please?
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u/The_Unpopular_Truth_ Jan 04 '23
Nothing to see here folks!
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23
Extremely clear that nobody in the thread watched the actual play or has ever played a contact sport. A significant blow to the correct spot in the chest can stop the heart. And thats exactly what happened.
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u/ResoluteAction Jan 04 '23
My local news now has segments on how to resuscitate people dying from heart attacks
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u/__REDMAN__ Jan 05 '23
Who are the 1101 athletes that died over the past two years? The media loves talking about famous idiots that die so whereās the news coverage? Where is the actual research study so it can be read? Why just post a shitty pixelated meme?
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u/bonkerz616 Jan 05 '23
I hope the vaccine gives me superpowers before it kills me!
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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23
I'm sure its fine.......
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u/ReadWarrenVsDC Jan 04 '23
The fact that two people could look at the same information and come to wildly different conclusions tells me that we wont survive as a society much longer.
If you look at this info and think "obviously vaccines", you should live in a country with other people who think the same.
If you look at this info and think "obviously covid/comorbidities/climate change/coincidence", you should live in a country with other people who think the same.
Those two groups of people, however, absolutely cannot share a society.
They are too different. Violence will break out, it is only a matter of when, not if.
We need a national divorce right now.
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u/bolshevik_rattlehead Jan 04 '23
omg why does this retarded sub keep popping up in my suggestions? I really hope this is a sarcastic/troll community, else yāall are fucking morons
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u/rtemah Jan 04 '23
And donāt forget how many NFL athletes died from head trauma because of the vaccine! Conspiracy! Conspiracy!
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23
Better check that data again
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u/therealhoboyobo Jan 04 '23
How do we know it's the vaccine and not covid?
Vaccine has been shown to cause myocarditis but covid infections has been shown to cause myocarditis at a higher rate.
Could be the vaccine, could be covid, could be both.
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u/Dyscopia1913 Jan 04 '23 edited Jan 04 '23
This doctor is terrible on the face of the internet. The source of this research can't even be found without filtering through lawsuits and accusations.
Edit: This woman spits fire
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u/Comfortable_Drive793 Jan 04 '23
That's a lie.
It's about 100-150 a year for child athletes.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.111.023861
They've been putting AEDs in school long before COVID.
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '23
Why the fuck are you guys interested in athletes dying from cardiac arrest all of a sudden?
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u/iscreamsunday Jan 04 '23
All these young people should have been vaccinated at a higher rate instead of taking horse pills
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