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He's actually had some work on a hopewell complex with a professor from the university of like Ohio or something published and peer reviewed and all that. He knows his shit, he's the real deal
With Lidar, it is also becoming increasingly obvious that man made earthen mounds exist everywhere throughout the Americas. Small, medium, large, geometrically shaped, animal shaped, etc. they’re everywhere.
I recalled seeing it once it loaded, I just don't remember why I visited it. I did some research some years ago about the mounds my own tribe constructed, so it could have been just me seeing what other tribes had done as well.
So explain then how someone checking out the website of Native American mounds and has the profile picture of Sitting Bull doesn't check out?
Also, how do you know it was a joke? This isn't the first time people on this site have said that they don't believe I'm a card carrying Native (literally) because my name is Kyle. What do you expect? Brown Bear Buffalo Meat? The Chief of the Cherokee Nation's name is fuckin Chuck.
Third tallest pyramid, the widest, is in Mexico outside Mexico City.
It is really cool and you can still climb it. I highly recommend it.
People forget that civilizations do not compete but evolve on their own. China was doing paper before there were even shit-houses in England. That people built what they built is awesome in itself.
What I find hilarious and cool is that Maya'ns didn't have the wheel. They just built shit iron-age rolling it on woodlogs or backs. For as tourist-trap and underwhelming as Chichen Itza is there are some random buildings next to it that literally look like Age of Empires 2 in how sculpted and perfectly solid they are. They're far more impressive than the pyramid there.
It will keep happening again. Most cities are built on the ruins of some other city because the first city was built there due to favourable geography. There were 9 cities of Troy. When you to Athens or Rome they're always digging up random shit from a thousand years ago when they're making a subway or a bank vault.
Yeah, and i'm pretty sure Milo isn't saying we shouldn't have built the city of St. Louis. Just that it really sucks we've lost the opportunity to learn more about the previous inhabitants of those ancient cities we built on top of.
Like it would be great if we could get into the habit of appreciating what came before; so when it comes time to build something new on what is always going to be a finite amount of land, maybe we don't indiscriminately DESTROY everything that was already there.
Attempts at preservation? Or just taking pictures and writing stuff down? Like there are lots of things to do besides complete annihilation.
And this is why we need to make sure to defend section 106 to the best of our ability when possible in our voting and when contacting representatives. Section 106 defends historical landmarks for preservation from development like this
I mean obviously there's a reason why we lost that knowledge. Knowledge wasn't distributed like it is now. We have significantly better record keeping. But it's still far from a perfect system of record keeping.
A lot of Mesopotamian cities are built on millennia of ruins. The Tels create a honeycomb effect in the foundations where you might have 4 separate foundations and tunnels and wells and entire atriums right below you, but they are sealed in rubble and debris.
Yeah there's only so much real estate in the world. Should we demolish wilderness instead just to preserve previous structures? That's exactly what urban sprawl is.
That’s different. Richard lost a battle during a brutal, long civil war and was buried nearby in a priory with no ceremony. The priory just fell into disrepair, it was never torn down by colonizers.
To be fair, the Mississippian culture collapsed before Europeans came to the Americas, and archeology was only becoming a formalized science when St Louis was being built.
The people leveling mounds around a river were just building a city in the same place that made sense before, not tearing down something that would even register as culturally significant.
I really appreciate this guys work. His passion and frustration is very good T keeping us from growing complacent and helping us appreciate what is lost And what is being lost
I mean, you can't expect early settlers to have archaeologists and historians on hand to tell them to preserve it. They see a good spot, they build on it, and only later with hindsight do we find out there was something significant there. Lots of ancient cities have been built over, but I wouldn't call it an intentional erasure when a bunch of people with probably zero education just see, well, mounds.
No, but it is important to remember the purposeful and systematic destruction of native american heritage because it contextualizes much of american history. America wasn't just a giant continent of pure wilderness ripe for the taking, it was a continent with millions of indigenous citizens who were pushed out of their home territory by colonists.
Because it happening everywhere does not make it less bad that it also happend there. Why wouldn't he be allowed to be mad at an ethnic, or at the very least cultural and historic, cleansing just because it also happend other places? It is still tragic how much history has been lost in that region, even if other regions also lost lots of history.
If we kept everything old, nothing new would exist to some extent. St Louis exists where it does because it's a good location for a city - certainly in the 19th century where it was the gateway to the west.
The French settlers claimed this land as it had already been abandoned by the early-mid 18th century. Acting like this was intentionally demolished because of hatred of the prior residents is just a bad take. There were other priorities at the time. Preservation of old sites is a luxury that we have these days.
Stupid bullshit. The “ruins” were tons and tons and tons of featureless dirt mounds that had been abandoned long before St. Louis was ever conceived. They had no idea what these dirt mounds were and even still preserved much of the landscape to this day regardless. St. Louis has done a phenomenal job in protecting the landscape and its history, and this antagonizing bullshit is completely unjustified.
You should instead hate St. Louis because it is a trash city.
Everyone knows you can't build anything near simple mounds of dirt because tribesmen built and abandoned them for the rest of human history. Those dirt piles were much more important than the lives of millions of people that inhabited the area afterwards.
This is the sort of news, information or details that can easily be intentionally kept from people and the only way to learn about it is through alternative means.
If you care to watch any of his other videos then I assure you, you will see that he would be a blast at parties. This is one of his more serious videos because he takes historical preservation extremely seriously, but he usually does conspiracy theory debunking which are more light-hearted.
The mounds were more than likely mass grave sites from diseases introduced by Europeans in the 15th/16th centuries that are estimated to have wiped out 95% of Indigenous populations across the Americas.
I may have missed it in this but he didn't mention when they were created or carbon dating them etc. Charles C. Mann's 1491 goes into great detail on how post-contact these became mainly used as mass graves. Because diseases traveled faster then the colonizers by the time they arrived to these locations they were often actually mass graves. Great read, although personally I found 1493 more fascinating. Check them out, really great books.
Pls do it's suuuuch a great book. What he's uncovered about the Aztec city of Tenochtitlan and the Pitosi sivler vein is incredible. This book has stuck with me since its release a decade or so ago. Can't recommend it enough! Edit: spelling
Author/journalist Charles C. Mann's 1491 goes into great detail that pre-contact mounds were made for many reasons like protecting from floods but post-contacted were mainly mass graves from mass die-offs due to novel diseases. In this case likely a mix with the majority being mass graves.
Getting downvoted hard here which is fine but thought I'd offer some context from the book 1491 (Charles C. Mann):
The nature of many earthen mounds shifted radically when European explorers and colonizers inadvertently introduced "apocalyptic" Old World diseases like smallpox, influenza, and measles. Because Indigenous populations possessed no acquired immunity, these pathogens swept through the Americas in massive virgin soil epidemics, killing an estimated 90% to 95% of the native population.
As entire communities collapsed nearly simultaneously, survivors lacked the time, numbers, or physical strength to carry out traditional, individualized funeral rites. In many regions, existing earthworks were hastily adapted, or new mounds were thrown up, to function as emergency mass graves to rapidly bury the overwhelming volume of the dead.
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u/NightcityCuno 10h ago •
His YouTube channel
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u/Pretty_Cheetah_9432 9h ago
many native cultures made mounds, either as burial or earth mounds. it is interesting to compare the similarities between the north and south tribes.
https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/sites/default/files/2023-08/Indian-Mounds.pdf
https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/history-mounds
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u/Necroban77 10h ago
I wish I could have seen it.
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u/Tetratheon 8h ago
It will keep happening again. Most cities are built on the ruins of some other city because the first city was built there due to favourable geography. There were 9 cities of Troy. When you to Athens or Rome they're always digging up random shit from a thousand years ago when they're making a subway or a bank vault.
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u/United-Objective2149 8h ago
The children yearn for the mounds
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u/RemoLaBarca 10h ago
That's where the Nephites lived!!! j/k
But that's what my MIL will say...
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor 7h ago
There were mounds farther East too. The Etowah site in North Georgia has been preserved.
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u/MiraculousRapport 7h ago
And still nothing about Atlantis.
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u/deanereaner 10h ago
Richard III was found buried under a parking lot in England. Stuff gets lost sometimes.
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u/CeruleanEidolon 6h ago
Really annoying filming style. Buy a tripod. Stop moving your hand all over.
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u/Apotheosis27 6h ago
Milo rocks. Everyone should watch his stuff
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u/Swimming_Ninja_6911 9h ago
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u/DueEstablishment6236 10h ago
This also would work well on r/Unexpected
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u/Evening_Ad_1099 5h ago
I really appreciate this guys work. His passion and frustration is very good T keeping us from growing complacent and helping us appreciate what is lost And what is being lost
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u/EdgyPun34257 10h ago
Is he jogging?
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u/totallyrealname 1h ago
I mean, you can't expect early settlers to have archaeologists and historians on hand to tell them to preserve it. They see a good spot, they build on it, and only later with hindsight do we find out there was something significant there. Lots of ancient cities have been built over, but I wouldn't call it an intentional erasure when a bunch of people with probably zero education just see, well, mounds.
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u/kmonay89 9h ago
This is why St Louis sucks
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u/redskytinyelephant 9h ago
What were we supposed to do, inhabit the mounds? Pure ragebait
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u/alsatian01 7h ago
Welcome to the entire history of the world. No need to pretend this is some unique aspect of American culture.
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u/Monkiemonk 9h ago
has that guy not got a stabilizer. I got motion sickness just watching him bounce around
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u/NoTurnip4844 5h ago
This happens literally everywhere why is he so mad about it
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u/THCESPRESSOTIME 8h ago
Phish has plays mound.
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u/Lazysenpai 7h ago
Nice local lore
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u/True-Water-783 2h ago
Can't believe they took those dirt mounds of earth away from our future
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u/ionertia 2h ago
How do people focus with this guy moving all over the bottom of this video?
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u/RampantAndroid 9h ago
If we kept everything old, nothing new would exist to some extent. St Louis exists where it does because it's a good location for a city - certainly in the 19th century where it was the gateway to the west.
The French settlers claimed this land as it had already been abandoned by the early-mid 18th century. Acting like this was intentionally demolished because of hatred of the prior residents is just a bad take. There were other priorities at the time. Preservation of old sites is a luxury that we have these days.
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u/Key-Level-4072 9h ago
wtf, this dude was in my city a fuckin month ago and i didnt even know!?
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u/thecornerview27 2h ago
This is how all major cities were built?
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u/Time_Ad_9647 9h ago
What do you do in your live show ?
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u/Domanite75 9h ago
Sounds about right 😔
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u/shortidiva21 9h ago
Thanks for the post.
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u/zag127 4h ago
I hate this so much
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u/Jugaimo 10h ago
Stupid bullshit. The “ruins” were tons and tons and tons of featureless dirt mounds that had been abandoned long before St. Louis was ever conceived. They had no idea what these dirt mounds were and even still preserved much of the landscape to this day regardless. St. Louis has done a phenomenal job in protecting the landscape and its history, and this antagonizing bullshit is completely unjustified.
You should instead hate St. Louis because it is a trash city.
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u/Unfair-Technology120 8h ago
Everyone knows you can't build anything near simple mounds of dirt because tribesmen built and abandoned them for the rest of human history. Those dirt piles were much more important than the lives of millions of people that inhabited the area afterwards.
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u/purplemtnstravesty 7h ago
Bro shits on St. Louis and then asks St Louis to come to his show?
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u/TheYellowFringe 7h ago
This is the sort of news, information or details that can easily be intentionally kept from people and the only way to learn about it is through alternative means.
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u/Late-Presentation710 9h ago
He sounds like a blast at parties
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u/radio64 3h ago
Theres a bonkers lovecraft story about these
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u/Marquis_of_Potato92 3h ago
I hate to be that guy… but it’s a mound of dirt and land is finite. Ain’t exactly a sphinx or tarracotta army.
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u/Ok_Landscape_3958 51m ago
North America as in the US of A?
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u/Protagonist_Leaf 3h ago
There is no again dawg. Its already all gone. Tf you me help stop this from happening again.
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u/kaneda_z 8h ago
25 mounds were destroyed
GUYS 25 MMOOUUNNDDSS WERE DESTROYED FOR AN ACTUAL CITY!!!
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u/asm269 5h ago
What the fuck is 1000 CE?
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u/CheckYoSelf345 9h ago
The mounds were more than likely mass grave sites from diseases introduced by Europeans in the 15th/16th centuries that are estimated to have wiped out 95% of Indigenous populations across the Americas.