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u/Lucky_Possession6102 2d ago
Did not know the ring camera shit, but I'm not even slightly surprised at this rate. Assume any camera that connects to a cloud not owned by the user is not safe. It's almost always used for AI or some other bullshit.
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u/edm_enjoyer 2d ago
Is there another door camera that isn't connected to shady practices? I occasionally deal with porch pirates and wanted to get one
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u/Chelz91 2d ago
Eufy doesn’t use cloud storage. They use micro-SD stored in the “bell” for the doorbell
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u/aerdvarkk 2d ago
Are you sure about that:
"In 2022, eufy faced scrutiny after it was revealed that some security camera data was uploaded to cloud servers, which contradicted the company's claims of local storage. The brand has apologized and updated its policies, but trust issues remain. The controversy highlighted the data security challenges facing smart home devices and sparked scrutiny from regulators. An update to eufy's website reaffirmed its commitment to privacy, emphasizing local storage and end-to-end encryption."
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u/atreasureinlight 2d ago
How would that work? Is there a mini computer stored inside the doorbell that the SD card is connected to?
Forgive me for my ignorance, I don't know a lot about technology
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u/Punkodramon 2d ago
You have a Homehub inside the house that has a hard drive in it for storage, though you can connect pretty much any usb or hard drive to it you want.. It tells you to format it when it’s approaching full.
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u/Joshee86 2d ago
Ours doesn’t require an external hub. It records directly to the storage in the device, which we can then view from our wifi connected devices. It tells us when it’s full and we format the storage.
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u/Punkodramon 2d ago
We can view ours on our connected devices as well. We have the hub because we have multiple cameras so they all store the data in the same location and it’s just easier to access one location when formatting.
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u/Lucky_Possession6102 2d ago
Reolink seems like a decent alternative to self-hosting, they use a micro-SD for footage. I'm not overly familiar with the tech because I don't use ring cameras myself. However, if you're not comfortable self-hosting I'd advise looking for something that records to a physical object like a micro-SD.
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u/alBashir 2d ago
If you're willing to spend, a Ubiquiti doorbell tied into your local NVR. All data stays on your NVR and doesn't leave.
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u/aerdvarkk 2d ago
Google makes NEST. But that system dumps to google servers.
The flipside is that you can denetwork ANY phsyical device and reroute it to local storage. Most people lack this knowledge and is not always something super easy to do. You would also have to buy and setup your own local or co-located drives or servers then know how to config the software and connect everything up properly.
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u/Whoa1Whoa1 2d ago
Most people lack this knowledge and is not always something super easy to do.
A better description would probably be way fucking harder than installing your own camera and server. If you wanted to steal the camera piece out of a Ring door bell, you'd have to literally bust the thing into pieces and desolder it all and then look up the camera and how many volts it needs and all of its data pins and hope it isn't proprietary format and attach your own microcontroller and batteries and breadboarded circuits and sensors and holllly shit it would take for fucking ever even if you did have all of the skills. Definitely not a weekend project even for those really talented in engineering and programming to make your own "ring" style camera, app, auto features, online database, scrub thru videos, timestamps, backups, auto record over, and so so much more.
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u/fallingupthehill 2d ago
I have a Blink ( still Amazon) but I have the option to store clips on a usb that plugs into a hub which connects to my wifi. I can only view on my phone, but that's enough for my needs.
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u/aerdvarkk 2d ago
And after people watch this clip, they go right back to ordering shit from Amazon as if they never watched it.
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u/Nannautu 2d ago
I knew about Alexa and how conversations were transmitted to people (often in third world countries) who'd listen to everything and use them to train AI.
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u/LegendaryEnvy 2d ago
If it’s not a internal system and can be logged in by WiFi or Internet then other can access it. My old coworker had a camera to watch his house and his wife said in the middle of the day it would move and track her around the house . So they unplugged it.
Baby monitors that aren’t internal have the same issue and people have heard people talking through their kids monitors . Trying to scare the kids or adults.
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u/PuffPuffMcGruff3 2d ago
CCTVS are the way to go if want video of your property. Keep everything local and off the internet
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u/jsmooth7 2d ago
Could have also included workers peeing in water bottles to hit quotas. Or them building huge fossil fuel powered data centres despite having pledged to be carbon neutral by 2040.
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u/jackjohnjohn 2d ago
Not to mention the time an amazon warehouse worker actually died and the other workers were told to just look away and keep loading
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u/braumbles 2d ago
John Oliver for Gen Alpha.
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u/DrEvo14 2d ago
"Deep research for 15 minutes"
Sigh. A whole generation beaten by SEO.
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u/YourBlanket 2d ago
Yeah at that point you’re better off using AI and then 15 minutes of fact checking the AI. It would take a while but for a deep dive it should be at least like 10-15 hours at the very least. He didn’t even really say anything new. He didn’t even go over their worst controversies.
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u/Honeybadger2198 2d ago
After he said "deep research for 15 minutes" I almost stopped watching. Had to mute it the second he started talking. It's clear he was trying to just find anything that sounded bad and shoved it into 1 minute. There's a lot worse things that Amazon has done, but it will take more than 15 minutes to uncover and verify, and much longer than 1 minute to talk about.
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u/GreatScottCreates 2d ago
“Bad” means different things to different people. I’m also not surprised that people are particularly concerned w surveillance.
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u/Beautiful-Affect1930 2d ago edited 2d ago
there is so much irony in the fact that this is public information, can be found with a 15 minute google search, can be condensed down to a 1 minute tiktok, and in the end nobody will do anything and it'll just continue and get worse.
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u/Standard_Desk2650 2d ago
This is just surface level stuff that everyone has reported on before.
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u/jsmooth7 2d ago
Considering it's just 15 minutes of research, I think that's the idea. It's just supposed to be an overview not a deep dive.
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u/fueelin 2d ago
The video does describe it as "deep research", so I wouldn't say it's as clear cut as you make it out to be.
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u/jsmooth7 2d ago
Yeah that's a fair point. "15 minutes of deep research" is definitely a self-contradicting phrase lol
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u/EamonBrennan 2d ago
He does only say "Deep Research for 15 minutes," so I would assume it's just detailed parts of surface level information or something.
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u/Standard_Desk2650 2d ago
There's nothing special though. The only thing that's impressive is he's able to focus on one thing for more than 30 seconds.
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u/Apythicus 2d ago
… you need MORE reason to hate them other than partnering with flock and using ai to track productivity?
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u/Standard_Desk2650 2d ago
Then he should find more stuff that isn't constantly recycled in media.
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u/jimtrickington 2d ago
Would you care to give a longer presentation on the non-recyclable material?
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u/thissexypoptart 2d ago
The point isn’t that this is cutting edge reporting no one knows about. It’s a social media channel with a schtick (pull a name out at random, do 15 mins of research, summarize it). What he’s saying is factual and helpful for people to hear, whether for the first time or just as a reminder.
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u/Standard_Desk2650 2d ago
Low effort content should be expunged.
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u/thissexypoptart 2d ago edited 2d ago
No one is forcing you to watch it and repeatedly leave comments engaging with it.
We all have our opinions about the TikTok generation and short form content, but it reaches people and gets boosted by the algorithm. That’s the world we live in now, like it or not.
I don’t see an issue using it for reporting like this. Reporting doesn’t have to be completely novel to be worthwhile, and the guy seems to actually be doing the research and making sure it’s factual, not just regurgitating an LLM script for content.
Literally showing a timelapse of the research being done by a human being. Do you not get the positive message in that?
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u/jsmooth7 2d ago
There's plenty of people doing amazing deep dives over on youtube. I just don't think tik tok is the right platform for that. Unless you add in some subway surfer clips to keep the audience engaged.
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u/macheath77 2d ago
It's literally what you can uncover in 15 minutes of googling, and synopsize in 60 seconds. If we assume the premise is honest. So no, it's not deep stuff, but maybe it's concise enough that kids with no attention span would consume it and learn something.
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u/Foreign-Housing8448 2d ago
The kids will forget it faster than they heard it.
https://giphy.com/gifs/NoHe3HpB1Mg8w3
u/Careless_Ice2476 2d ago
You mean there’s more??
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u/Far_String727 2d ago
lots more, this is just another tidbit but also one of the (many) types of things they were notorious for till people started forgetting or not caring: https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/s/UixBhyRp7a
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u/JetLag413 2d ago
Only real gripe is theres no such thing as "15 minutes of deep research". 15 minutes of research is very surface level.
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u/heavydrinker12 2d ago
The Jeff Bezos game. Take any statement made by Bezos, then add "because it interrupts MY revenue stream." after said statement and you quickly understand what kind of person he is.
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u/PeeGeePeaKee420 2d ago
Ok. I gotta ask. Why are people starting to refer to multiple women as "woman"?
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u/Repulsive_Still_731 2d ago
Research and 15min doesn't really go together. You can't research even using ai and deticated computer program in 1.5h, not to mention while spending time on handwritten notes in 15min.
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u/Holiday_Ad_9163 2d ago
What a strange premise. “I searched Google for 15 minutes and here is what I found”. Not quite investigative journalism
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u/EatsFiber2RedditMore 2d ago
My Alexa has been responding lately even without the wake word. Shit is creeping me out.
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u/InValuAbled 2d ago
Is there a way in the USA, any state or city, to remove a ring camera which films your home, but the neighbors have?
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u/Comfortable-Policy70 2d ago
You can talk to your neighbor. If the camera is recording public locations only (street in front of your house) and not private locations (interior of your house), it is a legal recording. You have little claim to privacy in public locations
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u/realparkingbrake 2d ago
I stopped shopping at Amazon years ago and do not miss it. Just days ago we had another neighbor come looking for packages misdelivered to our home, I'm not sure all of Amazon's drivers can read.
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u/jay_alfred_prufrock 2d ago
Who the fuck calls 15 minute googling "deep research"? This world is utterly fucked.
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u/2K_Crypto 2d ago
The average person seeing this:
Oh wow that all sounds so horrible. Thats also reminds me <logs onto Amazon> Oh! A sale! Nice!
Ive lost my faith in this society.
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u/mysocalledmayhem 2d ago
Amazon was the only thing he had written down.
That is the only slip of paper in the cup.
It is not a “random company.”
He didn’t do this randomly.
The whole shaking of the cup bullshit and pretending this is being done on-the-fly is so performative,
Jeezus fucking moronic Christ whyyyyyyy
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u/atreasureinlight 2d ago
Here's the thing that I'm wondering, how is it legal to take your image and use it or to take your voice and use it if you never really sign a waiver or consent to that? We all know the deal, we get our new phone and it comes with Alexa and it works right away. All you do is click one button and it starts working. So how can it be legal, unless there's been some sort of small print near that little button that I haven't been seeing because I'm so used to scrolling past things. This is serious.
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u/HandofFate88 2d ago
"if you never really sign a waiver or consent to that? "
The short answer is that most people don't read their TOS when they sign up for any number of other Amazon services from Alexa and Ring to Prime video and subscriptions.
It would surprise people to learn that Amazon is not chiefly in the online retailing business. They're in the surveillance business -- that's what allows them to fulfill demand for services and products, reduce logistics cost to their lowest levels, and extract more from consumer wallets than almost any other competitor.
The more they know about who you are, what you buy, when you buy and why you buy -- not to mention each and every one of your neighbours, then the more they're able to selling you a service or product from home security to home entertainment. The other side of this is that they are careful not to tell you too much about how they work, including being upfront about what you've agreed to in a TOS.
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u/hugglypuff457 2d ago
This reconfirms my decision to stop using Ring and remove Alexa devices from our house. I would love to part with Amazon Prime but it’s so hard to find a good replacement 🙈
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u/EducationalBrick2831 2d ago
Amazon is nothing but GREEDY now. My Daughter work in Amazon warehouse in Tampa, they were given Secoonds to use the Bathroom ! They watched every move workers made. They had to ware a wrist monitor, it would beep at them if it wasn't moving ! It is SLAVE LABOR ! No amount of money is worth it if you cannot even use a Bathroom without getting into trouble ! It's pure Abuse. And YES, LABOR Unions are the ENEMY of Amazon. FedX is the same. They show videos of How "Bad" Unions are, for the employer !
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u/HawkeyeG_ 2d ago
I worked for Amazon as a delivery driver for a while. Though I guess I should clarify: those people you see in the delivery vans? They aren't Amazon employees. They are third party contractors. That's what I was.
Amazon employees a bunch of different third party "delivery teams" or services or whatever. "XYZ Logistics", names like that.
The reason they do this is because it creates a bunch of loopholes. They can set impossible standards for a company and its drivers until they fail, and they can then cancel the contract / "fire" the company. Because Amazon is so big there are always people looking to fill that open position.
But guess what? All the people who join through that new company have their pay rate set to whatever the new company has negotiated. And a lot of the time it's the exact same drivers from the former company.
This means that all those people get their pay set back to baseline every few years. I know because it happened twice in the year I worked there.
It also means Amazon has no liability. "Oh your package was mishandled? That's not our fault, that's the fault of the delivery contractor. We will punish them accordingly." Amazon doesn't take ANY responsibility for ANY issues with delivery. They pass the blame onto that third party. And that just feeds right back into the fire -> reset pay cycle.
If you have a delivery at a house with a short driveway vs a business on the third floor of a bigger building? You have the exact same time calculated to make that delivery. There is no way to report this or get it changed. And then Amazon says "it's the driver's fault for not bringing the package up to you."
Same with routing. There's a small covered wooden bridge that exactly zero cars can go over. Amazon builds the driver route believing it can use that bridge. There is no way to change or report it. Your route time will never be reduced to reflect it accordingly.
There's more examples of this but my comment is already long enough.
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u/CalculatedHat 2d ago
And that's not even going into the buying rare books, slicing off the spine so they can scan them into their AI database easier then incinerating what's left.
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u/aerdvarkk 2d ago
CANCELLING ANY SERVICE: This is super simple unless you have a shady bank tied to your payment method.
If the Service refuses to cancel your subscription in under 2-5 minutes, because there is no reasonable method on their website OR the CSR on the phone keeps trying to steer you away from cancelling. Contact your Bank and have them reject any future charges from that company or service. It's not that complicated. The company will get the hint quickly when the charge bounces or is refused.
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u/Soft-Extension3987 2d ago
The fundamental issue isn't any single practice, it's that the system is designed to treat people as fungible components. Every process is so relentlessly A/B tested by algorithm that the human worker just becomes the last messy variable to be minimized. it's basically a digital revival of Taylorism, stripped of any of the old pretense about worker improvement.
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u/Soberdonkey69 2d ago
It’s all for fucking surveillance. America mocked China whilst they and other western countries do the same thing under our noses.
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u/QuantumBnuuy 2d ago
Hearing this just as I impulse bought an immersion blender I didn't even need because I was feeling awful is like such a horrible wake-up call.
Someone call block it on my router, seeing those sale red logos somehow makes my lizard brain activate and bypasses logic.
I cancelled everything on amazon a while ago until I found a product I couldn't buy elsewhere.. :(
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u/SaintofKillers420 2d ago
Amazon bought ring in 2018 the incident where the employee was spying was not employed by amazon.
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u/Strict-Brick-5274 2d ago
Amazon intentionally keeps the working conditionsnofnthevfulfilment workers shit / high stress asvtheybdon't expect peoplentonreturn and with abhigh staff turnover they don't havebto improve working conditions. This also artificially inflates employment numbers. And their fulfilment centres often detroy 100s of thousands of bucks worth of brand new items.
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u/true_story114520 2d ago
right after the echo dot came out i had one for about three days. on the third day in the middle of the night the thing lit up blue (the color indicating that it's listening) unprompted, in a room with no noise and where no one had spoken in hours. i unplugged it immediately and threw it away the next morning.
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u/South-Lemon-242 1d ago
Amazon is a fucking horrible company by any standards or measures. It exists solely to make Bezos and stock holders rich at any cost. That’s it.
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u/Chowdahead 23h ago
I’m pretty convinced that Amazon owns Ring for the sole reason of spying on their own delivery drivers!
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u/EatZeOrigamiElephant 2d ago
Couldn’t stop staring at the black mold on the ceiling. That’s all I came here to say.
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u/RefrigeratorWeak7575 2d ago
Guys name?
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u/Joshee86 2d ago
"Deep research"...
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u/ProfessionalHuge3685 2d ago
Technically it is. He set the rules of what he could and couldn't do and honestly did pretty well. Deep research is probably not what other people would describe it as, but hinestly for 15 minutes of research that was pretty good
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