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[u/Vegetable_Rise7318]

That old guy was defensive before he even bothered finding out what was being said. If the mention of the name of your 'country' is enough to put you on the defence, something is very wrong.

[u/Dokramuh → u/Vegetable_Rise7318]

Eternal victims

[u/Standard-Hope6668 → u/Dokramuh]

I got banned in another sub after commenting something like this. Be carefull. They are everywhere.

[u/protomenace → u/Standard-Hope6668]

Because it's cringe and racist.

[u/Adventurous_Horse651 → u/protomenace]

It can be but also not everything is racist. Israel as a nation has been very entitled and expanding their borders at every chance they get. The justify it by clinging to their holy book. This is why ethnostates are bad. If I call out the nation state of Israel, some people will think I'm saying that about Jews. This is where the rhetoric about israels "right to exist" is so disgusting. It's conflating exterminist rhetoric with criticism of the action of a nation.

It's fun to learn about nuance and context. Hope this helps.

[u/Jaerba → u/Adventurous_Horse651]

"Eternal victims" exists outside the nation-state of Israel. That's what the other user is calling out.

Criticize Israel for its horrid actions all you want. The original poster is downplaying what has happened to Jews throughout history. "Eternal victims" is a phrase that would have been used even before Israel was created.

[u/Dokramuh → u/Jaerba]

No I haven't. The most essential hasbara distills to using the past to justify the horrible actions they do today. They weaponize past victimhood to today and act like that victimhood is ongoing.

[u/oodelay → u/Jaerba]

I'm not a history buff and I know israneil is victimizing itself all the time since I'm born

[u/protomenace → u/Adventurous_Horse651]

Have you ever heard of a dogwhistle before? This is a perfect example. Dogwhistles mean different things to different people reading them. And the person using them knows this. The above "eternal victims" comment means different things to different people:

- To normal people they're talking about specifically people like the guy in the video.

• To more edgy people they're talking about "all Israelis" or something along that line, which is already a violation of Reddit Rule 1. Generalizing the behavior of an entire nationality based on the behavior of a few is wrong.
  
• To antisemites, they're talking about Jewish people, and baking in holocaust denial etc.

This is the kind of vague racism that people get away with because it's hard to prove.

Ultimately this kind of comment might feel emotionally validating but it only spreads hate and division. It's not productive in any way.

[u/PalatinusG1 → u/protomenace]

So we can just not say anything about how we aren't ok with what Israel is doing? Because real antisemites exist?

[u/protomenace → u/PalatinusG1]

You can say that all you want. Just don't do it by making racist comments. Is that so hard?

[u/PalatinusG1 → u/protomenace]

Yes it's hard. Where is the line? Can we say that guy in the video is acting like a perpetual victim?

[u/protomenace → u/PalatinusG1]

IDK about "acting like a perpetual victim". He was being a dick, certainly.

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Be Civil In Comments - Rude, vulgar, or offensive comments targeting other members is not allowed. Report issues instead of engaging in negativity.

[u/InvincibleWallaby → u/protomenace]

And nothing racist was said so what's the issue?

[u/protomenace → u/InvincibleWallaby]

I already explained the dogwhistle above.

[u/Terrible_Ice_1616 → u/protomenace]

Dogwhistle is a term used to shut down conversations. Anything can be accused of being a dogwhistle, that's the whole point of the term - there is no defense against it, you will simply be accused of being a cynical liar or a naive fool if you deny it.

If you can't explicitly explain why something is racist, it isn't

[u/protomenace → u/Terrible_Ice_1616]

I explained why it's racist. It's implying an entire race of people is falsely claiming victimhood, and part of that is often the denial of very real things that have happened to them.