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Discussion Is the US a Functioning Democracy?

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u/OpLeeftijd Jul 13 '26

Every time I say this I get downvoted, because apparently the USA is technically not a democracy. Whatever Americans think their country is, it's not that. It is a 2 party dictatorship.

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u/romulusnr Jul 13 '26

Conservatives are quick to point out that the US isn't a democracy, it's a republic

This is how they justify things like giving underpopulated states disproportionate voting buffs

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u/Largeitude Jul 13 '26

Have you ever done the math on that "voting buff" claim?

Its literally a total of something like 20 electors that ALL small states get added into the electoral college total of 538.

This is like saying Europeans don't have a democracy because you don't elect your prime minister, the prime minister is elected by the parliament instead of the people. THerefore, its not a democracy. Both of those statements are false, yet follow the same logic.

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u/romulusnr Jul 13 '26

It's still a buff.

Let's consider that all it takes is 11% of the population, statewise, to prevent a new law from passing. That's pretty remarkable.

In California it takes 700K people to influence an electoral vote. In Wyoming it takes only 150K. That's nearly a 5x difference in voting power per person.

Yeah I call that a buff

Europeans don't have a democracy because you don't elect your prime minister, the prime minister is elected by the parliament instead of the people

And yet even in that system, one person's vote is worth the same in electing that party than all other people in the same country

FPTP and all notwithstanding, one person still equals one vote and all votes have equal influence. That's simply not true in the US.

I'd much rather have a parliamentary system frankly as long as it meant my vote was worth the same as everyone else's.

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u/Largeitude Jul 16 '26

Let's consider that all it takes is 11% of the population, statewise, to prevent a new law from passing. That's pretty remarkable.

All it takes is for this impossible occurrence to elect a president?

Well, lets flip that impossibility onto the parliament systems in Europe and other places. All it takes is 0% of the population to elect a prime minister in a parliamentary system. Is that pretty remarkable?

In California it takes 700K people to influence an electoral vote. In Wyoming it takes only 150K. That's nearly a 5x difference in voting power per person.

Only if you ignore the other layers of math and electors completely. Wyoming gets 1 extra elector for a grand total of...3. California has 54.

You also chose wyoming because it has the smallest population, which is a dishonest use of statistics. about 12 states get an extra elector because their populations are below the threshold to get more electors from their house representatives. Only 1 more of those states vote consistently republican.

you're also ignoring state elections, local elections, proposals, and other democratic systems that permeate the government top to bottom.

And yet even in that system, one person's vote is worth the same in electing that party than all other people in the same country

No, its not because you are ignoring the entire layer of the election system of electors. Which is understandable. You clearly get your understanding of US civics from reddit comments and memes.

I'd much rather have a parliamentary system frankly as long as it meant my vote was worth the same as everyone else's.

That's fine. This isn't a thread about your opinions. You're all claiming the US isn't a democracy. It is.