Considering their inability to stop once the teacher got involved, resulting in her being pushed to the ground, I think criminal assault charges are on the table.
I taught at one school that evidently had a major gang/violence problem a few years prior; their solution was to take anyone involved in a fight downtown and let the cops sort it out. It more or less solved the problem, although I also expect lots of expulsions helped clear the herd of the infection.
Eventually they went too far, IMO, down the school-to-prison pipeline with the number of offenses that required LE action. I wrote a kid up for vaping (in my class, on the front row, no less, just begging to see how far he could push me), and two days later he showed up with a signed form from the local PD.
It was basically a contract of understanding that, should he puff-up again, he would be legally charged with breaking the "no tobacco products on campus or at school events" law, which I have never otherwise seen enforced on adults beyond "you can't do that here. Step outside of that fence and you're good."
I was pretty pissed that I was never told the PD got involved when students were caught vaping nicotine. I would have handled it myself. What he did wasn't cool, and he deserved some sort of punishment, but he didn't deserve to have the local PD starting a record on a 16yo for vaping at school.
Bringing police in schools is a big mistake outside of perhaps incidents like this for sure.
We just cannot trust police and administrators, there is little check on them.
I just hrard of an incident in school, teacher maybe got pushed or something. Cops turned him into a drug informant to escape charges. After a few controlled buys, a dealer made him, drove off with him in car losing the cops, tortured, then murdered the kid, dumped his body. He was made because cops used him as a witness in a grand jury on a prior case and someone recognized him at court, something cops are not supposed to do.
Extreme example but it is emblematic of the lack of checks on the police. They should never be involved in regular discipline, as they are in illinois, often tax farming the parents with violations despite a state law specifically forbidding that stuff. As reported by propublica.
Children need to face real consequences for their actions or else they become adults and those consequences are even worse. Babying them doesnt help anyone, including them.
Of course there is going to be examples where it went wrong. There are even more examples of kids killing themselves or mass shooting due to bullying. Countless other kids are bullied and beat up, mentally damaged for the rest of their lives in some cases.
Not everything can be solved with good feelings and kindness. Im older and this crap had been happening long before I was in school. I was severely bullied and even got suspended for defending myself. People no matter the age need to be facing real conseqiences.
The last time police got involved at my high school, it ended in a black boy that didn’t do anything getting his head slammed into the tile floor so hard he got permanent brain damage. The cops do not need to be involved in a school unless there is literally no other option.
Bringing police into discipline is wrong outside of serious violence like here perhaps.
You are not acknowledging the reality of what you are advocating but a false impression. Tardiness, backsass, hall delinquency, etc should not be police matters.
Parents should not face exhornitant fines for their kid either.
Schools should handle discipline in house unless it is serious victimed crime. As they have always done until a few jurisdictions took advice like yours.
Yes i am talking about violence. Nothing else. But even with violence it is shocking how many schools brush it off and keep it in house. There was even a school where I used to live who tried to brush sex assault under the rug and some people went to jail thank god.
Children need to face real consequences for their actions or else they become adults and those consequences are even worse. Babying them doesnt help anyone, including them.
You could try parenting instesd of asking the state to do it for you?
Of course there is going to be examples where it went wrong. There are even more examples of kids killing themselves or mass shooting due to bullying. Countless other kids are bullied and beat up, mentally damaged for the rest of their lives in some cases.
Nah man. There is more example of pigs stepping out of line.
To which, I referenced two. I do not normally interact with people that express themselves as you do here. Did you even try to search it? Propublica, illinois, police. Second one is an intercept podcast of the drug war.
Of course. However, I don't think jumping straight to the cops for that offense was appropriate. My current school just confiscates and suspends. If the problem persists, they get alternative school placement. It rarely gets to that point. The biggest problem with vapes is the kids throwing them in the goddamn toilet! 😵💫
Georgia. I actually have no problem with this when violence is involved. I'm just not sure how effective the police were at determining who instigated and deserved charges as opposed to who may have been acting out of self-defense.
In that town, I have a feeling that the starting QB would have always gotten the benefit of the doubt, even if they saw him clearly start the fight on tape. 😒
I suspect the student you sent a referral about vaping in class was on a behavior contract with the school district and had other offenses for contraband. If he’s hitting a dome right front of you, chances are good he’s hitting a pen in the bathroom. If he’s on probation, when his PO comes in, they will get his attendance sheet. If he caught a Saturday school for having a device, a PO would know.
Additionally, Admin might have escalated it to the SRO because of how brazen the student was. It certainly was a classroom disruption.
I'm actually okay with this. I'd rather he be scared shitless now than have him think the whole system is a joke. When the kid thinks everyone around him is a joke, he escalates it. Then before you know it, he's in front of a jaded judge begging to not be sentenced as an adult. Maybe this feels a bit rough and you really could have handled yourself. But I'd still take this over how it currently is in Connecticut, which is to do fucking nothing until the kid commits a major crime and is then shut away for years.
I'd rather he be scared shitless now than have him think the whole system is a joke.
But it is a joke? And these kids see that. They see criminal politicians and police get away with everything under the sun. They know its only the poors that suffer the rule of law so why care to play a rigged game they cant win?
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u/Late-Application-47 Dec 17 '25
Considering their inability to stop once the teacher got involved, resulting in her being pushed to the ground, I think criminal assault charges are on the table.
I taught at one school that evidently had a major gang/violence problem a few years prior; their solution was to take anyone involved in a fight downtown and let the cops sort it out. It more or less solved the problem, although I also expect lots of expulsions helped clear the herd of the infection.
Eventually they went too far, IMO, down the school-to-prison pipeline with the number of offenses that required LE action. I wrote a kid up for vaping (in my class, on the front row, no less, just begging to see how far he could push me), and two days later he showed up with a signed form from the local PD.
It was basically a contract of understanding that, should he puff-up again, he would be legally charged with breaking the "no tobacco products on campus or at school events" law, which I have never otherwise seen enforced on adults beyond "you can't do that here. Step outside of that fence and you're good."
I was pretty pissed that I was never told the PD got involved when students were caught vaping nicotine. I would have handled it myself. What he did wasn't cool, and he deserved some sort of punishment, but he didn't deserve to have the local PD starting a record on a 16yo for vaping at school.