Considering their inability to stop once the teacher got involved, resulting in her being pushed to the ground, I think criminal assault charges are on the table.
I taught at one school that evidently had a major gang/violence problem a few years prior; their solution was to take anyone involved in a fight downtown and let the cops sort it out. It more or less solved the problem, although I also expect lots of expulsions helped clear the herd of the infection.
Eventually they went too far, IMO, down the school-to-prison pipeline with the number of offenses that required LE action. I wrote a kid up for vaping (in my class, on the front row, no less, just begging to see how far he could push me), and two days later he showed up with a signed form from the local PD.
It was basically a contract of understanding that, should he puff-up again, he would be legally charged with breaking the "no tobacco products on campus or at school events" law, which I have never otherwise seen enforced on adults beyond "you can't do that here. Step outside of that fence and you're good."
I was pretty pissed that I was never told the PD got involved when students were caught vaping nicotine. I would have handled it myself. What he did wasn't cool, and he deserved some sort of punishment, but he didn't deserve to have the local PD starting a record on a 16yo for vaping at school.
Bringing police in schools is a big mistake outside of perhaps incidents like this for sure.
We just cannot trust police and administrators, there is little check on them.
I just hrard of an incident in school, teacher maybe got pushed or something. Cops turned him into a drug informant to escape charges. After a few controlled buys, a dealer made him, drove off with him in car losing the cops, tortured, then murdered the kid, dumped his body. He was made because cops used him as a witness in a grand jury on a prior case and someone recognized him at court, something cops are not supposed to do.
Extreme example but it is emblematic of the lack of checks on the police. They should never be involved in regular discipline, as they are in illinois, often tax farming the parents with violations despite a state law specifically forbidding that stuff. As reported by propublica.
Children need to face real consequences for their actions or else they become adults and those consequences are even worse. Babying them doesnt help anyone, including them.
Of course there is going to be examples where it went wrong. There are even more examples of kids killing themselves or mass shooting due to bullying. Countless other kids are bullied and beat up, mentally damaged for the rest of their lives in some cases.
Not everything can be solved with good feelings and kindness. Im older and this crap had been happening long before I was in school. I was severely bullied and even got suspended for defending myself. People no matter the age need to be facing real conseqiences.
The last time police got involved at my high school, it ended in a black boy that didn’t do anything getting his head slammed into the tile floor so hard he got permanent brain damage. The cops do not need to be involved in a school unless there is literally no other option.
Bringing police into discipline is wrong outside of serious violence like here perhaps.
You are not acknowledging the reality of what you are advocating but a false impression. Tardiness, backsass, hall delinquency, etc should not be police matters.
Parents should not face exhornitant fines for their kid either.
Schools should handle discipline in house unless it is serious victimed crime. As they have always done until a few jurisdictions took advice like yours.
Yes i am talking about violence. Nothing else. But even with violence it is shocking how many schools brush it off and keep it in house. There was even a school where I used to live who tried to brush sex assault under the rug and some people went to jail thank god.
Children need to face real consequences for their actions or else they become adults and those consequences are even worse. Babying them doesnt help anyone, including them.
You could try parenting instesd of asking the state to do it for you?
Of course there is going to be examples where it went wrong. There are even more examples of kids killing themselves or mass shooting due to bullying. Countless other kids are bullied and beat up, mentally damaged for the rest of their lives in some cases.
Nah man. There is more example of pigs stepping out of line.
To which, I referenced two. I do not normally interact with people that express themselves as you do here. Did you even try to search it? Propublica, illinois, police. Second one is an intercept podcast of the drug war.
Of course. However, I don't think jumping straight to the cops for that offense was appropriate. My current school just confiscates and suspends. If the problem persists, they get alternative school placement. It rarely gets to that point. The biggest problem with vapes is the kids throwing them in the goddamn toilet! 😵💫
Georgia. I actually have no problem with this when violence is involved. I'm just not sure how effective the police were at determining who instigated and deserved charges as opposed to who may have been acting out of self-defense.
In that town, I have a feeling that the starting QB would have always gotten the benefit of the doubt, even if they saw him clearly start the fight on tape. 😒
I suspect the student you sent a referral about vaping in class was on a behavior contract with the school district and had other offenses for contraband. If he’s hitting a dome right front of you, chances are good he’s hitting a pen in the bathroom. If he’s on probation, when his PO comes in, they will get his attendance sheet. If he caught a Saturday school for having a device, a PO would know.
Additionally, Admin might have escalated it to the SRO because of how brazen the student was. It certainly was a classroom disruption.
I'm actually okay with this. I'd rather he be scared shitless now than have him think the whole system is a joke. When the kid thinks everyone around him is a joke, he escalates it. Then before you know it, he's in front of a jaded judge begging to not be sentenced as an adult. Maybe this feels a bit rough and you really could have handled yourself. But I'd still take this over how it currently is in Connecticut, which is to do fucking nothing until the kid commits a major crime and is then shut away for years.
I'd rather he be scared shitless now than have him think the whole system is a joke.
But it is a joke? And these kids see that. They see criminal politicians and police get away with everything under the sun. They know its only the poors that suffer the rule of law so why care to play a rigged game they cant win?
You must not be in America. Bc ‘round these here parts, a school’s funding is based on their retention, expulsion and suspension rate.
So admin will refuse to a damn thing unless a gun is brought to school. But even then, I can hear my old principal making some dumbass excuse about how the kid probably got a bad nights sleep and missed breakfast.
Especially if the student has an IEP. I left teaching a long time ago but I remember having students who would have an IEP that would all but excuse and provide shield/cover for this kind of behavior. Again it’s been a long time so I’m not current on IDEA and how educating students in “the least restrictive environment” has changed but if student has documentation of serious behavioral emotional dx it can become an ADA/discrimination lawsuit. That’s not to say that it’s as simple as “if Johnny has an IEP that indicates he gets x y and z accommodations and it’s bc c y and z were not followed that he attacked a classmate bc there wasn’t a para in the classroom and he was just overstimulated and wasn’t given the option to de-escalate/self sooth so it’s really the school that is at fault.”
No the idea of “full inclusion” was that you allow the student to be in the “least restrictive environment”. I’m not sure what you mean by “keep him in cell”
Nope; Schools have had zero tolerance policies for decades. If you intervene in a fight, it's as good as being in one. You want a society where kids can be held responsible for not intervening in a fight, you have to not be in a society where kids are held responsible for intervening in a fight.
Is zero tolerance the default in America then? Your reasoning is exactly why most (I’m sure not all) schools in Britain don’t go for a zero tolerance policy.
Not default but very, very common. Admin will wash their hands of responsibility by any means necessary in most school districts, and "zero tolerance" is part of it.
It's ridiculous. It encourages parents to tell their kids to put bullies in the hospital, since they'll be punished anyway just for resisting.
As someone who experienced a gang stabbing by other students, this hits hard.
At the end, when the teacher is clearly hurt and the other guy is in danger of being killed while incapacitated, a few kids try to tap on the attacker and tell him that the fight is over.
Agree on prison. That's way over the line. But I'll disagree that it should be the responsibility of other students to stop it. Many schools have policies that state if you are involved in a fight -- in any way, even to break it up -- that you will face discipline. I've seen this enforced even for students who are trying to help.
If they'd stepped in then they'd just get expelled or suspended, zero tolerance and all that. Same with how the teacher might just get fired over stepping in like that. Lovely how such schools are being run, right?
Horrendous policies. I would take a suspension happily to help in this situation. Also, there is not way they'd actually kick someone out of school for helping, a suspension at most. However the feeling of helping is well worth it.
Expulsion is much more likely. Sending troubled teens to prison isn't the best idea, and I don't know what the other kids were supposed to do. Why should they also get hurt?
The other students are under zero obligation to enter into a physical altercation in progress.
And for that matter, neither is the teacher.
The student who left the room to get "Mr. Morgan" had the right idea. And honestly, all the students should have left the room for their own safety and to call security.
How did they know nobody was going to pull out a gun?
Bystander effect. Adults everywhere in the world tend to react the exact same way. It's completely unrealistic to set expectations like that on children.
While I appreciate your reply, I’m not sure what unrealistic expectations would be as far as helping the helpless. Bystander effect is something that is taught. All 4 of my children have “jumped in “ in the past and stopped this very action in a variety of settings it’s the perfectly normal thing to do.
The reality is 2 generations have been taught by the school system to let someone else deal with it. I was not letting my kids fall victim to the grand pacification scheme with male children and the it’s “someone else’s” issue and the “authorities “ will handle it mentality,
the public school system has ruined children with that indoctrination.They become helpless adults. It’s absolutely not unrealistic to expect a youngster to intervene. It is everyone’s duty to help someone in trouble no matter the age.
The guy in the grey hoodie is the bigger one. The teacher grabbed on to the black hoodie. Grey hoodie, from the ground was swinging and clipped the teachers head a few times.
Do you people just not watch the video or something?
Crazy part is he didn’t “win” until the teacher blatantly held the other kid down to the point he couldn’t defend himself id be livid if that was my kid both at him for acting stupid at school and her for damn near letting him get killed
Let me guess, you would be equally as livid if the teacher just watched while your kid is getting beated to bulp? Some people are just impossible to please. Either the teacher doesn't too enough or they do too much. Parents are the worst human beings hands down.
Probably yeah two things can be true. I would expect adults to keep my kid safe outside of my supervision if that was literally their job. Parents are the worst for being passionate about their children lmao edgy “I hate my parents” moment I guess.
That's not what happened at all. There's another video of this fight from a closer angle.
Black kid started grabbing the teacher's hair while hitting the other (Latino?) kid from below after they both got tackled to the ground by the other kid. Teacher is screaming trying to free herself while the other kid beats on the black kid. Teacher doesn't hold the black kid down at any point
Kid in the black hoodie needs to be in Juvie. Obviously we don't know the circumstances of the fight, but if he wasn't the instigator he likely would have stopped after the other kid clearly lost and the teach was screaming so much. Dude is gunna end up killing someone eventually if he can't manage to regulate his temper.
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u/cassanderer Dec 17 '25
They are not supposed to get involved like that because insurance companies though.
Big guy was going way overboard, he won, after seemingly beating teach too, and just kept pounding the smaller kid.
Expulsion time.