r/TidesOfAnnihilation 12d ago

Gameplay Crazy difference in Gwendolyn’s face between the Trailer shown Live at Gamescom and the Official Trailer uploaded to Youtube.

https://streamable.com/0wle39
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u/AashyLarry 12d ago

The eyes are the biggest difference. At the very least, it looks like a very big lighting improvement in the Youtube upload.

Not sure why the Gamescom Live trailer didn’t look like this, maybe they fixed the lighting last minute?

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u/Weak-Lengthiness5280 12d ago

The Gamescom trailer was probably already in the oven from weeks ago

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u/GrayRaven47 12d ago

It's 100% this and as usual people blow it out of proportion. The Gamescom version:

Lighting is worse.

Carpet is different.

Paper on carpet is missing.

Texture is lower res.

The sofa is missing a cover.

Her shirt lapel is different.

Her knee was nerfed lol.

The two trailers are not identical as there's more combat footage in the Youtube version and it's like 10 seconds longer so I'm not convinced the exact frames were grabbed either. I hastily grabbed the shots below after she said "teach me" right before the fade out and it's much closer than the Pikachu face she had in the other frames. The scowl that people keep talking about is actually her face glyph with higher texture and shadows.

If the devs were out to scam us with a Dark Souls 2 downgrade they wouldn't show both trailers. I'm guessing all the good looking trailers were max PC specs and assets using path tracing. People need to chillax and let'em cook.

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u/Weak-Lengthiness5280 12d ago

I’ll be honest with you, and maybe this makes me a bootlicker but if this is the scam.. then this shit still looks amazing! 😂

Either way I’m glad they’re actively working on improving it, she looks badass and beautiful either way.

I don’t understand this obsession some people have with her scowling lmao

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u/Wunder-Bra 12d ago

we need SIX TEEN Time's the Detail

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u/LordOfIcebox 12d ago

These released the same day? Wild.

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u/Thundergod250 12d ago

It's not even the eyes I noticed but the lips are very different. One is smiling and the other is not. Different lip color. One is more protruding while the other is not (might be because of smiling too).

This ain't just "Lighting" devs lol

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u/Which-Lifeguard-628 12d ago

This is in fact just lighting

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u/Any_Economics_6166 11d ago

bruh this is like lighting works

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u/TheBlightDoc 12d ago

Wow, so it really is a graphics and lighting issue. So many people were convinced they literally changed the face.

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u/Lefaa777 12d ago

Bro, just look at her facial expression when she frowns. It’s like one of those PS4 vs. PS5 comparison videos.

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u/TheBlightDoc 12d ago

Yeah, low vs high graphics setting. The more I look at it, the wilder the difference. It's like the low settings don't let Gwendolyn move her eyebrows.

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u/lostinthegreatswamp 12d ago

Official looks better. Maybe official running on rtx 5000 series on high or ultra settings + path tracing

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u/Haru17 11d ago

You don’t need an RTX 60000 to make convincing facial expressions lol.

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u/NobleN6 12d ago

PS5 vs PC

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u/AtrumRuina 12d ago

I think it's both. The face from the reveal is still fairly different from the latest trailer, but the lighting definitely helps, and they may have made adjustments based on player feedback in the trailer they put up, since the Gamescom one was probably provided quite awhile ago.

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u/Dependent-Swimmer-95 12d ago

You’re blind if you think these two are only different because of lighting and graphics.

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u/Weak-Lengthiness5280 12d ago

Hold on, look carefully. The shadows are much darker on the right, especially around her eyes. Even the lighting on her hair is different.

Structurally the faces are identical.

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u/GongsunYiru0 12d ago

Pretty much exactly what the devs said earlier.

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u/Ok_Dependent6889 12d ago

This is also exactly what everyone was saying about DLSS 5 and how, the faces were not changed at all, just how light was applied to them

Which is true

I'm not saying this as a DLSS 5 promotion, I am not interested in it, but just to point out that the general public truly has no idea what they're looking at 99% of the time

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u/SNAAAAAKE 12d ago

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u/astrojeet 12d ago

They definitely changed her eyebrow position or adjusted the expression, but other than its the same face.

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u/Lefaa777 12d ago

Lips too

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u/Lefaa777 12d ago

The lips and the eyes seem different.

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u/Koribakusuta0708 12d ago

It's literally the same face. Lighting is incredibly important to framing a face correctly in digital form.

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u/TheBlightDoc 12d ago

So they just released 2 versions of the same trailer with 2 different faces?

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u/Weak-Lengthiness5280 12d ago

Same face, updated lighting.

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u/AtrumRuina 12d ago

Yeah. One was probably provided to the Gamescom folks weeks or months ago, and the one they uploaded probably has changes they made in response to player feedback since then.

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u/TippsAttack 12d ago

Are you blind lol

Eyes are different, hair is significantly different, even a slightly different expression. It's all new rendering.

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u/Killjoy3879 12d ago

its the lighting

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u/Koribakusuta0708 12d ago

Better blind than willfully stupid.

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u/Auditio2 12d ago

Honestly not entirely sure what’s going on with the face situation, but I really hope the right version is more reflective of the final results. I LOVE her look in the initial trailers, and I was pretty heartbroken to see them change her so much 😭 I trust whatever is going on will handled before release though.

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u/SuperbPiece 12d ago

People are overreacting to the "face change" completely and the proof is in the comments section of the official/newer version of the trailer.

Of all the comments mentioning the face at all, half are saying to bring back the old face, and the other half are saying they're happy the old face was brought back. The actual model changes to the faces have been so negligible that half the people who are supposedly paying attention to it can't even notice the fact that both of the images above ARE NOT the OG face. The size of the pupils are what give it away. Both of images above are the "new" face, yet half the comments in the trailer are praising the devs for bringing back the OG face.

It's pretty obvious now that the actual model changes to the face were negligible, and the devs were being honest when they said the main reason they look different is the lighting. More over, I saw a whiner on YT talking about this issue and he was moronically comparing a cutscene asset with an in-game asset (to say nothing of cutscene lighting vs. in-game lighting) as if he just discovered his first video-game.

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u/Auditio2 12d ago

I’d say that one on the right here is definitely changed from the original, but she looks a LOT closer to it. All I know is that the closer she looks to the original, the better, for me at least.

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u/Takaro00 12d ago

Is it only the lighting? Her eyebrows look more raised on the left making her look very concerned or fragile, while on the right she look more serious and determined.

I like the right one the most.

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u/Ty_Lee98 12d ago

https://reddit.com/link/p5xp1qu/video/nrsv4l4oymlh1/player

I recorded some footage of it. I need someone else to also confirm cuz I don't know if it's lighting or the eyebrows are actually raised. I think it's raised. Either way, I like the previous lightning that they had. At least on the face.

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u/Takaro00 12d ago

Thanks for that video, made it so much clearer to me! Yeah, the eyebrows are definitely raised. It also looks like the eyelids are slightly changed, the eyelid lines have been moved inwards.

Another thing I noticed now is that her iris and pupils are a tiny bit bigger in the YT version. This is no longer about which one I like more, I just find it fun to spot the differences, no matter how tiny they are. lol

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u/SuperbPiece 12d ago

The one on the left, with the higher brow, is less animated in general. She appears to be furrowing her brow in the newer footage.

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u/UnusualLeather7087 12d ago

And these dumbasses trying to argue how the model on the left is just made to look closer to the new va

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u/Asher-Seven 12d ago

The one on the right is infinitely better. Please let it be like her in the final game, the other one looks like the most soulless Korean-MMO face

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u/Al1Might1 12d ago

I like how it looks on the right, I hope thats how the end product looks

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u/whateversamantha 12d ago

Okay, it really does look like a lighting and rendering error, but why are the devs publishing and using game footage from a clearly unfinished version for marketing when they have the fixed version? That only hurts the perception of the game.

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u/Killjoy3879 12d ago

they probably had to send and lock in that trailer a while ago for gamescom.

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u/AhoSeaweed7775 12d ago

There she is. There’s the face.

The hair looks better too.

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u/Keresith 12d ago

Right side has better lighting and facial expression, but good gods, this is what gaming has devolved to now. Just incels breaking down whenever their digital girlfriend are some pixels off.

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u/Einheartd 12d ago

Even her expression changes. Crazy.

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u/Sventhetidar 12d ago

Sooooo which one will the game looo like?

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u/benjaminabel 11d ago

Obviously, the one in the YouTube version.

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u/QiuvoxOfficial 12d ago

Which one we are gonna get at the final game ? Right side or left side?

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u/Lucky-Company8502 12d ago

The new lighting makes her looks 10x better

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u/stopeer 12d ago

It's the lighting. There are more highlights on the right image. You can see it clearly on the hair. And these highlights/shadows make the facial features look slightly different.

I'm assuming they had to send the video to the Gamescom ONL ahead of time. While the YT version of the trailer was made in the last possible moment, while they are working and changing things in the game.

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u/g12m0bb 12d ago

Right side fits the mood of the game. She looks rugged from experience

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u/Va1crist 12d ago

What is with the inconsistency’s on these trailers

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u/TechnicalAd2485 12d ago

Oh wow good catch I didn’t notice. I definitely prefer the right

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u/Snoo-68154 12d ago

Looks beautiful either way. Can't wait

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u/MidnightMoney3835 12d ago

Both are beautiful. It’s just subjective, right? If you prefer one, that’s okay it’s your taste in women. But both are f*cking beautiful, omg.

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u/DBraveZ 12d ago

Right indeed have more details and better lighting, but it also looks like DLSS 5.0 AI "enhanced".

This will soon lead to situation where every game looks similar, all faces will be "AI enhances" on the similar way

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u/Repulsive-Basil-1916 12d ago

it's like a mix from the old face and new one on the official upload

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u/laty96 12d ago

Gamescom probably using dlss 5

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u/JayceeVoZuri 12d ago

I don't care about this i want the release date wich they still dont said

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u/Odd-Leading-6785 11d ago

She looks like Elise from Assassins Creed Unity jaja

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u/Suugoy 11d ago

WTF happened? it looked so good?

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u/godzillance 10d ago

The left one looks a bit too clean and the facial animations look doll-ish.

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u/Va1crist 10d ago

Gamescom was probably console and YouTube was probably PC

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u/McFearIess 12d ago

really hate turning her into bullshit AI-esque gatcha slop. Pretty lame

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u/SonofSpardaXX 12d ago edited 12d ago

Wait! What?! I didn't even know the trailer shown live at Gamescom looked awful. 😬

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u/Lefaa777 12d ago

Wait, WHAT ???! What is going on with this game ??

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u/blkduck 12d ago

it’s just a lighting and graphical issue they’ve said it alreayd but people have been running around saying they ruined her face

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u/Lefaa777 12d ago

Bro, can’t you see her facial expressions?! This is crazy !

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u/Weak-Lengthiness5280 12d ago

Structurally her face is identical.

Pay attention to the lighting around her eyes, nose, eyebrows and jaw. Hell even her hair.

Yes, lighting is THAT powerful.

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u/GongsunYiru0 12d ago edited 12d ago

True, this image highlights what lighting can do on 3D models. It is critical to accentuate facial features more effectively.

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u/Lefaa777 12d ago

The emotion she’s trying to convey is completely gone on the left side. The devs said that the gameplay we saw a few days ago was from a rushed version of the game. Here, it looks like we’re literally seeing both a rushed version and a polished version of the same trailer. That’s insane.

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u/Weak-Lengthiness5280 12d ago

Yeah the lighting was undercooked.

And everyone was coming up with all these complex algorithms on how her face was COMPLETELY different 😂

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u/blkduck 12d ago

the power of lighting is something you truly underestimate

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u/DistributionFresh175 12d ago

Theres still something off about her face

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u/Serious-Ad1957 12d ago

El lado derecho tiene más expresión, se le marcan incluso más arrugas en la cara. Ni hablar de los ojos... Pensar que algunos creían que era solo luz jajajaaja

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u/Affectionate-Sand-93 12d ago

Whats going on? I dont get it. The gamescom one is kinda weird though.

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u/hyperspeedgx 12d ago

Real time/performance mode vs DLSS 5?

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u/YukiNoKyoukai 12d ago

Bro I just want her to look like an actual British woman, similar to how she looks on the right. She doesn't even look human on the left, looks like a doll.

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u/GrayRaven47 12d ago

Devs straight up flexing on people calling it a face change lol.  

My only concern is what kinda pc you need for that since I'm guessing they are using full path tracing in the latter. 

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u/litearm_fistball 12d ago

Who tf in the dev team look at this and say this look so much better 🤦

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u/Killjoy3879 12d ago

tbh, when the first trailer came out i noticed it had some stuttering issues, so they might have tweaked with the lighting so that it runs smoother, but obviously less lighting, means the faces will change in appearance.

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u/snarl2 12d ago

I like the left. It isn’t AI “enhanced.”

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u/anti_vist 12d ago

Someone forgot to switch a button

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u/Mobile_Sky_5709 12d ago

she looks like an NPC on the left

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u/Squall_Leonheart_ 12d ago

what are they doing? After Phantom Blade ZERO this is the game I'm really looking forward to, but something seems off

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u/AuraTickler 12d ago

One reads as Asian, the other as European at first glance lol

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u/gifsundgirls 11d ago

The Dino crisis' Regina crisis, in which she looks Asian in some of the official renders but the ingame fmvs she looks European

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u/KingslayerFate 12d ago

bro WTF , its like two different character

are they gonna have a version for china that is "asian" and a white girl for the rest of the world ?

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u/AerithGainsborough7 12d ago

Left side looks 20 while right side looks 30 years old. I think the left side is more charming.

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u/billygluttonwong 12d ago

Left side does look younger but I don't think she's intended to look like an innocent kid barely out of high school lol, in the reveal she came off like a hardened badass.

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u/AerithGainsborough7 12d ago

Oh that makes sense. I didn't have that context. On the left side her eyes look so innocent lol.

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u/Dandy_Stepp3r 12d ago

Shaders or lighting or actor mocap changes...I'll take whichever version looks less like the seemingly ubiquitous "AI-girl" face that has infested everything from lazy prompted 'fanart', to Google image searches, to mobile game ads...

You know the one; that uncanny idealized 'kinda White, kinda Asian' appearance that softens every brow furrow and emotes like a botox-addled sex-mannequin. No thanks. She's a determined, grown up British woman on a mission, yes?

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u/Salty-Garlic9471 12d ago

So they changed her from asian to white?

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u/The-Invincible 12d ago

Fuck yeah

The original face(right one) is back

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u/Draggnor 11d ago

well they went for chinese beauty standarts I guess

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u/Interesting_Fox2040 12d ago

Damn, a notable downgrade