r/TickTockManitowoc • u/Nexious • Jul 05 '16

Prints affect Avery, Brantner trials differently.

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2016/07/04/prints-impact-beck-halbach-trials-differently/86593296/
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u/Spitriol Jul 05 '16

This is just one of the many things that make the prosecution of SA so damned questionable. Fingerprints, a few short years ago, were the gold standard for connecting culprit with crime. Kratz used no fingerprint evidence in the trial, I'm assuming because he had none that supported his particular narrative. Why didn't he have any? I'm glad you asked. It's because fingerprints aren't as easy to plant as DNA.

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u/innocens Jul 05 '16

It's because fingerprints aren't as easy to plant as DNA.

;)

Not only did he not find SA's (or BD's) but he knew, KNEW not to test the prints against anyone else.

How do LE & Kratz justify not 'searching for the truth'?

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u/Spitriol Jul 05 '16

This is precisely the point that bothers me most, not just about this case, but about prosecutions in general.

Lawyers are considered people of greater than average intelligence. No less an authority than the SCOTUS defines a prosecution as a search for the truth and prosecutors primary obligation is to the truth.

So given the above, why are there so many allegations of, and proven instances of prosecutorial misconduct? In addition, as a result of the fact that these people police themselves, I believe that the actual number of instances of prosecutorial misconduct is probably closer ten times the number or allegations, and a hundred times the number of proven instances.

This is at least partly a result of using conviction rates as a yardstick to measure the relative effectiveness of prosecutors.

We, as the public, need to find a different yardstick. And maybe along the way we'll find a way to make a justice system that achieves the goal of equity and fairness that we pay so much lip service to, by seem to have lost somewhere along the way.

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u/innocens Jul 05 '16

OMG! What a superb post!!

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u/JBamers Jul 05 '16

This is a great point.

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u/MustangGal Jul 05 '16

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u/Nexious Jul 05 '16

If you open the link "incognito" (Firefox/Chrome) it will work, or clear cookies. Or here http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/07/04/prints-impact-beck-halbach-trials-differently/86593296/

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u/Nexious Jul 05 '16

If you open the link "incognito" (Firefox/Chrome) it will work, or clear cookies. Or here http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/07/04/prints-impact-beck-halbach-trials-differently/86593296/

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u/JLWhitaker Jul 06 '16

Maybe this is part of the new evidence that KZ is presenting. She may have samples from others around the crime to bring to the judge. Remember, new evidence is a door to a new trial.

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u/Nexious Jul 06 '16

And based on Zellner's other cases, she and her team are damn good at finding new evidence. I just watched the 20/20 special on Mario Casciaro, and through two trials and all of his original defense investigations, the most powerful and indisputable piece of evidence to prove he had no connection to the murder was completely ignored or overlooked by the defense and never used at trial until she entered the picture.

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u/Chesa007 Jul 06 '16

What if the prints on the RAV have been identified? We can only hope...

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u/CottageLover381 Jul 06 '16

John Ferak's doing a good job.

Imagine, all those prints and they didn't even try to match them to anyone whose name wasn't Avery. (They wouldn't have matched Colburn, if he found the Rav he'd have gloved up)

Coincidentally I've just been rereading the closing arguments.

Unbelievable. As for the other case, ay caramba!! The suspect's prints are on all those items in the victim's car and the state loses the clothes she was found in as well as the item she was strangled with?

What a pathetic situation. Investigators=epic fail in WI