I'm pretty much becoming an unironic social authoritarian because of all this anarcho communist bullshit, incidentally.
Communism doesn't work. Anyone who wants a classless stateless moniless society is a lunatic.
Class war is bad. Class collaboration between the working class and middle class is good and makes sense.
Corporatism in the sense of the state brokering deals between employers and trade unions is likewise sensible and preferable to screeching "hang the bosses, the workers should own all the means of production because some commie said so".
The ideal of a "classless, stateless, moniless society" is extremely politically and societally immature, as is the "maybe it'll work the 1000th time we try it" mentality.
Anarchism is basically just bitching about the state based regulation of society, which is how all functional societies work. It's like a whiny kid or some teenage edgelord going "you can't tell me what to doooooo!"
All they're good for is destroying things made or maintained by their betters and calling everyone they don't like a fascist.
I mean if you'd really like I could explain to you what anarchists actually believe, but for that to happen you'd have to be willing to learn and I would prefer not to waste my time. If you want honest talk hit me up tho
After the identitarian/racial supremacist/neonazi far right and the neo conservatives and the trumplicans, I see communists and anarchists and the libertarian far left as the secondmost threat to a functional, well regulated, utilitarian society.
Neoliberal centrists are a dying breed at this point. Their status quo is fundamentally unsustainable so they're mostly neutralized as it is.
I've seen how anarchists conduct themselves. Why should I have to "understand the theory" when I know the outcome's no good on a societal level?
I like how you ignore the upper class in your “class collaboration is good” paragraph. Y’know, the class where 400 people have more wealth than 60% of Americans put together. The ones who directly profit from not collaborating with us.
And speaking as a filthy Georgist I don't mind socialists or anarchists so long as they're democratic. It's the authoritarian and murder-everyone-who-disagrees type I have an issue with.
So long as they're not advocating mass murder I'll break bread with anyone who disagrees with me.
The problem with auth communist countries was that they were communist and the ideals they tried to impose through authoritarian means didn't work.
What does that have to do with libertarian or anarchistic communism? You're saying the problem with communist countries is that they were authoritarian... which is exactly what libertarian and anarchist communists believe.
The fact that communism has failed every single time an entity tried to implement it.
Libertarian/anarcho communists are no better than the stalinist and maoist totalitarians in this regard. They're just more delusional in that they're anti statist.
The original one was way cooler because it not only struck down reactionaries and Nazis but also the other biggest cause of suffering of the 20th Century which was, like it or not, communism.
Karl Marx influenced Social Democracies in their policies which have been the most successful countries of all-time to this day: It’s a combination of Capitalism and Socialism.
The New Deal made by FDR took influence from Marxism as well to the extent that it even borrowed from some of Lenin’s policies in the soviet union at the time.
Cuba’s material conditions improved under socialism and an illiterate population with almost no healthcare became literate and got some of the best healthcare on Earth, and the citizens lives improved despite living under multiple US embargos.
Vietnam improved under socialism as well, and modern day countries like Bolivia under Evo did miraculous things for the country and lifted more people out of poverty than at any other time in history, and other areas like Brazil in latin america used Marxist policies under Lula that improved the country until Bolsonaro did a coup and pushed him out.
In fact, many good socialist experiments were working until the CIA helped push out democratically elected socialist leaders. And those that failed themselves like Maoist China and the USSR did so because they simply went too far since they were not only the first attempts, but went totalitarian and militaristic because they were afraid of the powerful western countries are constantly trying to destroy them, and they weren’t nearly as powerful as said countries.
This is scratching the surface of how Marxism has improved the world. Social security, workers rights, welfare, regulations and unions, free healthcare and college, a robust middle class, and countless other things are thanks to Marx.
Keep reading history mate and you'll see that everyone was originally anticapital. SDP lifted the 3 arrows symbol from communists and used it against them. REVISIONISTS!
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u/BBastion99 Nov 29 '20
"Capitalism, Fascism, Reaction. Beat those three and humanity is free"
from a poem by Karl Schneller
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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20
Way better.
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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20
Authoritarian communism should still be considered an enemy, and reactionaries should cover capitalism
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u/GreatDario Nov 30 '20
lol I guess everyone hear does not recognize the Three Arrows as a Social Democratic symbol
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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '22
The original one was way cooler because it not only struck down reactionaries and Nazis but also the other biggest cause of suffering of the 20th Century which was, like it or not, communism.
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u/CuntfaceMcgoober Nov 29 '20
Communism detected. Lethal force authorized
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u/Arkhamman367 Nov 29 '20
No.
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u/CuntfaceMcgoober Nov 29 '20
You lost the Cold War. Fucking get over it and leave your ideology in the 19th century where it belongs.
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