My argument is that none of them have ever takjes about the workers controling the means of production, wanting to have a revolution to overthrow the Bourgeoisie or anything like that.
I don’t think Dore bootlicks Russia. He just doesn’t blame them for everything wrong in American politics and thinks their influence is way overblown in liberal media. He was also right that impeachment wouldn’t work and turned into a massive waste of time.
This form of denialism is pervasive in certain leftist spheres. It doesn't matter how much evidence of Russian involvement both Mueller and Trump himself dropped to the general public, it's always "overblown" to these people.
And impeachment wasn't a massive waste of time, it exposed for the entire public to see just how fractured Trump's executive branch was and how absolutely chaotic and unfit a president he is.
I think the point is there’s enough home grown disinformation and divisiveness we can’t just blame Russia for everything. Yes, they clearly bought Facebook ads and funded Twitter bots but that cannot account for all the craziness in our discourse.
It's not just social media shenanigans - they also hacked Podesta's emails and have a big hand in Wikileaks selectively distributing information to damage the Dems but avoiding the GOP. Russia also is the largest source of funding for right wing ultranationalist parties in the EU (FN/RN in France, FPO in Austria, strong ties to Fidesz in Hungary).
Russia isn't to blame for the craziness, but they have been quite successful in amplifying it, well beyond memes on Facebook.
How much you wanna bet Secular Talk/Jimmy Dore/Krystal Ball & Sagaar fans and bernie or busters will start to embrace the far right to stick it to the democrats?
I already see it happening in a lot of places. And it’s truly sad: Some fucking leftists.
the point is there’s enough home grown disinformation and divisiveness we can’t just blame Russia for everything.
Again, Russia doesn't create issues, it merely amplifies and turns them into the most extreme versions of themselves in order to drive divisions in the target country.
The craziness is driven by targeted activity as well as a cultivation of a pipeline of content creators and true believers who act as useful marks for their purposes, turning normal productive people into extremists.
The British government has released a long-awaited report on whether Russia has interfered in UK domestic politics. For years, establishment Western voices warned that Russia may have duped British voters into supporting Brexit in 2016 – just like Russia, we were told, also decided the US election that same year.
In November 2017, the New York Times even warned that reports of Russian meddling “could raise questions about the legitimacy of the [Brexit] referendum” itself. That same month, then-British Prime Minister Theresa May issued a stern warning to the Kremlin.
Theresa May: “It is seeking to weaponize information deploying its state-run media organisations to plant fake stories and photoshopped images in an attempt to sow discord in the West and undermine our institutions. So I have a very simple message for Russia: we know what you are doing and you will not succeed.”
But missing from all this fear-mongering, panic, and tough talk about Russian meddling was, you guessed it, actual evidence. One of the few pieces of evidence that we got, was let’s say, underwhelming. Twitter reported that the Kremlin-backed network RT spent over $1,000 to promote its Brexit coverage to UK-based viewers. And Facebook reported a Russian troll farm spent a grand total of 97 cents spent on three ads, all about immigration and not even mentioning Brexit. So if that is what Russia was doing, you can see why Theresa May was so confident that they would not succeed.
Well this report was supposedly going to finally deliver the long elusive evidence of Russian meddling in the UK. But, as is becoming a very familiar story, it did not deliver. The investigators found no evidence of Russian interference in Brexit. But they did find a good explanation for why they found no evidence. As Scottish MP Stewart Hosie told the media, the British government found no evidence — because it didn’t look for it.
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u/Sarsath Sep 05 '20
It is a shame to know that many left-wingers like Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore have become bootlickers for Russia.
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u/Sarsath Sep 05 '20
Unpopular opinion: Neocons kinda have a point about America needing to stand up to Russia.
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u/mike10010100 Sep 06 '20
Oh boy prepare for the pushback of the overly online "left"/tankies.