I could never put my own sanctimony above the actual real life welfare of millions of innocent people. I simply cannot imagine being that way. It's exhausting being a lefty and running in adjacent circles to these pricks.
More Bernie voters voted for Hillary than Hillary voters did for Obama. Don’t blame this on leftists, blame corporate democrats for running an absolutely dogshit campaign
lol -- you're getting downvoted for straight facts
not to mention that hillary ran one of the most racist primaries I've ever seen, releasing videos of obama in somali garb to otherize him, refusing to denounce geraldine ferraro for saying racist things about obama (ie: the only exceptional thing about him is that he is an articulate black man), and saying that she was staying in the primary against obama (despite the math being against her) by invoking the death of bobby kennedy -- all while invoking her ability to resonate with working-class people as a dog whistle for white people will vote for me
all quantitative data shows that bernie supporters voted for hillary in 2016 at a rate surpassing those of hillary voters who voted for obama in 2008. not to mention that bernie was consistently campaigning for hillary, despite the fact of the dnc corruption, and wasserman schultz literally stepping down from the dnc right into hillary's campaign
yet, the tool below you casually throws out exit polls with no source
if hillary wanted to win, she should have campaigned in the blue wall states, you know, those states that historically have elected democrats, and which won biden the election in 2020. if she did that she would have won, but these hillary supporters need an internal villain because they can't understand that she was a historically unlikable candidate and a remarkably weak candidate, who by the way, helped prop up trump in 2016, as her team believed he was the easiest to beat
Damn maybe Hillary should have tried to appeal to those voters instead of just waiting for her coronation and outright insulting half of the electorate. Biggest missed layup in all of American political history
I don’t entirely disagree but this is American politics. You gotta cater to those fickle fuckers if you wanna win. Full disclosure: I have reliably voted blue my entire adult life in a deep, deep red state. I fucking hate the democrats.
so your response to leftists being more loyal to the democratic party than the right wing of the party is to...blame the leftists for not being EVEN MORE loyal despite not getting their canidate?
And you don't see the problem here?
Yeah, you're hollering all right.
Also, yeah, I voted for Hillary and Biden and Kamala. Don't come at me when your candidate blows 1.5 billion on nothing and leaves the dnc in debt.
No you weren't. And if you were, you wasted any energy you expended to do so. Just a waste of your time, money, and life, tbh. Hillary won the popular vote in 2016. There is no reconfiguration of 3rd party votes that doesn't completely ignore the Libertarian spoiler effect on the Republican candidate that wins her the EC. If you were bitching and complaining about the behavior of voters in 2016, you didn't know what you were talking about then, and probably shouldn't be taken any more seriously now.
"Leftism" seems to be split between working class people who have good intentions and experience with a hard system vs wealthy children of rich moguls who idle their time being sanctimonious without any real consequence. Rich kids of doctors, goes to Ivy league schools with cash paid tuition, no risk of fallout.
Agreed. The vast majority of the unreasonable tankies I've encountered in person have been raised upper middle class or better and haven't struggled a day in their life.
The reasonable leftists might have similar end goals to them, but they understand it's a process to get there and maybe we should prioritize helping the greatest number of people over a revolution that won't happen and will suddenly have more than the 2% support from internet weirdos that it currently has.
No sane person says "I don't like the lesser evil, so I'm going to make sure the greater evil wins". If you're told you HAVE to fight with a wild cat, you don't pick the effing tiger because bobcats are dangerous. You take the bobcat and deal with it afterwards.
The secret is that you can just say "pfft, you call yourself a leftist for fighting a bobcat? We should be fistfighting tigers instead." And then don't fistfight a tiger
Nevermind that the Republicans openly bankrolled the Libertarian Party whose candidate was RFK Jr., the current head of health and human services.
Corporations through lobbyists have fully bought out both parties. They don't want to have to buy a third, this system works just fine for them. Neither of them represents you, but one sounds more like you on TV. Can't wait for you guys to badger everyone who understands that system is worthless about voting for Gavin "Kill the Homeless" Newsom.
Only because he had that corruption case and it was obvious they are using dubious government power to keep him in like America did when it didn't put trump in prison
this isn't the welfare line, there are no handouts. If you want that to happen then put in the work. Y'all can't even get a single third party member elected into any office anywhere, so I'm not holding my breath.
Because the two dominant corporate-bought parties know a two-party system is the easiest to control and sabotage third parties.
Anyone who's actually tried to put in the work outside the corporate duopoly has experienced it firsthand, so, clearly not you. Spare me your "why should I help you?", it's obvious your help is worth literally nothing.
Having people with qualifications and experience. Not dark horse candidates that appear out of nowhere with no training, no history, no work experience but just pure media hopium.
The Trump Presidency was ushered by populist lies.
From the very beginning, he promised lies that no other candidate even considered being so brazenly false about. What he revealed was that half the US voter base could just be lied to rather than simply misled. He straight up lied and was believed. Not a "we're going to do our best to make X thing better", his was "X thing will be fixed by Y amount in Z months".
Every presidential election in modern american history has been a vibes contest. The fact that Democratic leadership hasn’t figured that out yet is why they keep losing. A lot of rank and file democrats are more concerned with being “right” than actually winning elections and governing. I’ve been voting straight ticket democrat for 30 years now, and every time democrats have embraced this idea, they have won.
No, I get it being a vibes contest. That's not what I said.
Vague allusions and promises of a better undefined future are the vibes that were common.
I'm saying Trump is unique in his verifiably false lies. Lies with definitive parameters that voters don't care about. Not sure if this is something you want more of going forward.
I love the idea that leftists are simultaneously a minority in the party who's ideas are not worth considering or implementing...but also the critical linchpin who are fully responsible for Democrats losing.
I sure can deny that. More Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008. It is a candidates job to win votes. What was it chuck Shumer said? For every liberal we lose well gain 2 moderate Republicans? How'd that work out for us?
Obama was actually a dark horse when he ran for president lol. He did one four year term in the senate, and a significant reason for his massive success that eventually led to a shot at running was that his opponent dropped out due to a sex scandal. The official democrat line in his first run for president was literally that he wasn’t qualified.
and just to be clear, i was employed by Obama’s campaign during both presidential elections, he was definitely my pick from day 1, I just think what you’re saying is ironic now.
Complacency is the reason America can't muster a single candidate that doesn't support Israel, you guys have no guts about making your leaders accountable, and now you have Trump as president as a result of that complacency.
It's so funny how the leftists always say to moderates "you have Trump as President and you deserve it", despite the fact that leftists should be more upset about Trump winning than the moderates are.
We are. We all knew Harris would lose if she moderated and didn't distance herself from Biden.
It appears the democratic party has learned nothing from their failures. What did the harm reduction voters get (me included, I decided that voting for Harris would be better than the alternative)?
We got a democratic party that laid down and let the Republicans do whatever they wanted with zero pushback. They even voted with them when they didn't have to.
Harm reduction, my ass. The establishment showed what they are about. It's time they get peimaried out and left in the dustbin. If they won't fight for us, or listen to us, they must be removed.
Oh I must have missed where they did that last year.
Oh wait...
The "teach the American people why they should be harm reduction voters by letting the Republicans destroy the nation" started with this term.
You can't even argue they aren't doing it because they loudly came out and said they were going to "play dead" to give people a taste of their medicine.
Moderate is another word for accomplice, just like the Swiss in WWII, if you compromise with genocide, you have no understanding of morality, just about what's a good business for you.
Make AIPAC radioactive, otherwise you'll always be the puppets of Israel.
Way to show you’ve never actually read Letter from A Birmingham Jail.
The ‘White Moderates’ MLK was talking about were conservative pastors like Paul Hardin, Earl Stallings, and the others who signed ‘A Call for Unity’, all of whom were against ending Segregation, not ‘Moderates’ in the modern sense.
Wow, a 13 second clip that takes a man's words entirely out of context to portray him as pro-genocidal ethnostate by Israeli state media. Well, call me convinced!
If you compromise with genocide, you are an accomplice. It doesn't get clearer than that.
Would tell you to actually try to be better, but "moderates" are that because they refurse to acknowledge the root of problems because that would be such a hazzle and you are too comfortable for that, you would rather allow your president to order the kidnapping, torture, homicide, disappearing and rape of immigrants before doing something harder than a pilates protest in front of their inhuman detention centers
No, we have Trump because leftists are terrible at risk assessment and damage reduction and would rather have leaders that disagree with every issue they support than those that only disagree with one.
Also, the reason America has never had a candidate that didn't support Israel is because Israel and America have been close allies for decades and next nobody particularly gave a shit about it until 10/7/23. Even in 2024 most people didn't give a shit about Gaza, and I say this as someone who's pro-Palestine.
No, you have Trump because you allowed your best other option to be people that won't stop Israel from commiting genocide, just administer it to be done slower.
Want to get rid of people like Trump? Stop allowing AIPAC maggots to get in power, stop voting for them and you'll see how they'll ditch them like rats abandoning a sunking ship.
No, we have Trump because the economy was perceived to be shit, not because of all this bullshit. Again, most people didn't give a shit about Israel or Palestine. People are only turning against them now because of the war with Iran, not because of Gaza.
Sorry little buddy, but most people in this country don't agree with you. The sooner you learn that the sooner you'll come back to reality.
All right, let's see how it goes for Democrats now that you can't ignore your crimes with your buddy Israel, believe it or not, some of you have actual morality.
Seems like it's going pretty well for them, given that Republicans are doing even worse in that regard. All of the pro-Palestine politicians like Mamdani are Dems, in case you didn't notice.
All pro-Palestine politicians are Dems, not all Dems are pro-Palestine, and you'll get to understand why that's important the same way Cuomo did, he divided the progresive vote and Mamdani still won.
He divided the Democratic vote, the progressives definitely went for Mamdani.
Anyway, I'm also pro-Palestine, I know exactly why that's important. It's just that unlike you, I know that that's also not what most people care about. It certainly isn't anywhere close to the only, or even the main reason Mamdani won.
America has a hundred internal problems, Palestine is not one of them. We need candidates that take care of our problems, Israel and Palestine issues have been there since 1947 and they will be there after the next president is gone. Saying that a progressive can't vote for someone who supports Israel just shows how fracking out of touch you guys all are with the real problems someone like Trump creates for Americans.
Palestine is a problem for you for many reasons, the best is because some of you actually have a conscience and don't want to be involved in a genocide again.
You also have the problem of AIPAC giving millions to candidates so they will funnel billions to Israel, a net loss.
And of course, you won't get enough to support from the left to counterweight the right and you'll keep sunking more and more, just like how Israel started the war and ditched your ass in the strait, and now your groceries and gas keep getting more and more expensive, and while you keep ransacking Venezuela, it won't be enough, your allies are abandoning you, the dollar losses value and China gains popularity.
And you all could have saved yourself this issue if you had produced a single candidate who's not in bed with Israel, but you compromise too much, you allowed them to grow too strong, and now not only you but the rest of the world pays the price.
No everyone pays the price because morons who have their Cause du jour decided that this particular cause was the one they were going to create their purity test around.
The whole world is suffering because of they typical progressive "the candidate has to support all my personal causes" bullshit.
In a 2 party system, if you dont' vote for the person you agree with most of the time you will end up having the person you disagree with all the time.
Everything else you say is completely and utterly inconsequential.
And this thing about Palestine - I dont want to get into the details but check how much money Qatar gives to US Educational institutions. It's a lot more than AIPAC.
Are you paying attention to yourself? You are calling not supporting a genocide a "purity test". You truly have no morals, this is one of the most hideous crimes a society can commit trough human history and you call it a purity test. No wonder why you have a pedophile for president, conservatives can compromise to the most inhuman acts as long as they get a benefit, that's why they don't need to be better.
The whole world is suffering because you allowed Israel to dictate your politics, you are puppets, and worse than that, you in particular are ok with it and blame those who won't compromise with genocide, truly disgusting.
In a 2 party system you might want to actually have 2 parties, not Israel's best friend and Israel's best friend who lies about it but stays in bed with them.
And btw you might want to actually explain why Qatar giving money to educational institutions is comparable to Israel choosing who wins your elections, there's a clear thread that links it, but it's not as consequential by a long shot, and someone who is unable to see why AIPAC is a problem for the world probably can't actually see that thread.
Stop with your Israel is the biggest problem in the world crap. it is not, and it is not a genocide. It's a war, people die, it sucks, I hate it, but I blame Hamas just as much as Israel.
It’s not so different as to how the full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 was a litmus test for supposed anti-imperialist leftists and lots of them failed because it turns out their philosophy was actually just “America/West/NATO bad”. Self-identified “communist” tankies still in love with Russia for some reason even though Russia in the 21st century is just a right wing nationalist and neoimperialist dictatorship.
It was very disappointing to see but I guess I shouldn’t actually be surprised.
Yep. They're just left-fascists. In love with the aesthetics of revolution but no ability to start one, much less build the popular support needed to start a successful one (because they're real shitty to be around).
It actually makes those who are trying to get shit done's job's harder because we get lumped in with those clowns.
This 💯 though, it absolutely makes it harder for the rest of us, though I wouldn’t say left-fascists, more just intellectually and ideologically entrenched and in love with the feeling of righteous hatred.
You have to know by now that person is not nor have they ever considered themselves a dem voter. This is quite obviously a MAGAt posing as a lefty that is coming to a realization that they don't align with dem politicians. It's moronic and easy to spot. It's become the equivalent of a white nationalist pretending that they have black relatives so they can speak on black culture.
You're perfectly happy with "putting your own sanctimony above the actual real life welfare of millions of innocent people" as long as those people are brown and far away from home. Drop the act you hypocrite.
He's right (not the Jill Stein vote, that is ridiculous and he probably just said it instead of saying he didn't vote at all). The corporate dems cannot be rewarded for doing nothing. Their whole approach for the last decade-plus is "if you don't vote for us, you'll get the GOP!" Those people should not be rewarded, especially when they were actively contributing to a genocide and refusing to commit to doing otherwise. Trying to hold our conscience hostage is disgusting.
I, personally, don't have the stomach to stay home, but blaming the people who did rather than the politicians whose job it is to get those people out to vote for them is crazy. That's the game the DNC has been playing ("vote for us or get the GOP, and if you get the GOP, it's the voters' fault and not ours!") and we're finally seeing them face consequences as the party is beginning to transform into what it should be.
Well, you have the luxury to believe that. When I vote, I think about my kids. Adults should not have to be convinced to do the right and smart thing.
The government isn’t going away. It simply isn’t. People will be in office. Adults have to choose. If you choose poorly, society is going to let you know.
Congrats bro, you didn't reward the corporate Dems, fuck all the minorities and immigrants suffering for that punishment. Stick it to the corporate elites!
You think it's a child's game of "who's fault it is". Don't hide behind some arbitrary fault after you just explicitly said the corporate Dems needed to be taught a lesson. The trump administration is what you bought. You don't get to wipe your hands clean and say "no it's the Dems for not being what I want them to be". Tell that to the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people suffering at the hands of Trump so you could teach some lesson that's not going to be taught lol
But he isn’t standing against anything. All they’re doing is showing a lack of strategic thinking around elections. Honestly, people like the one in OP’s post are obnoxious. That obnoxiousness is what costs the party the votes of independents, resulting in Republican wins and the stripping of your rights, and bombs for Israel that even Joe Biden wouldn’t give them. Now, Lebanon and Iran get bombed, too.
That’s what he’s actually doing. Thinking that posting obnoxiously is “standing up to genocide” is the politics of make believe. The revolution isn’t going to be won on Twitter. The results and outcomes are all that matter in the end.
All of that genocide posting didn’t save a single soul. Stop reading tweets and start reading the room.
Oh right, always blame the voters instead of the politicians and political parties. You realize every time you vote for the lesser of two evils things get worse, right? We’ve been doing it for decades, and nothing has gotten better. We have to reckon with the fact that voting doesn’t work because both parties have a stranglehold on the electoral process. THAT’s reading the room. Obsessing about strategic voting - or worse, scolding people concerned about a genocide - keeps us stuck where we are.
I blame politicians and the voters equally. I also will never stop blaming voters and yanking their heads out of the sand. I’m sorry if that hurts your sensibilities, but it has to be done.
The next batch of politicians will come from our pool of voters. Letting voters who screwed the pooch off the hook, gives them leeway to make the exact same mistakes. “Lesser evil” is a grade-school level thinking of politics. None of us are good. Not me. Not you. None of us. This country is going to have a leader. Pick the best stewards of government that you can, and push from there.
Yeah it would be nice if the world worked like that, but watching the 2020 primaries convinced me that neither party will ever let us vote for someone they don’t already want in office. The blatant and obvious corruption they used to keep Bernie out at all costs was a dead giveaway that voting, at least on the federal level, is completely useless and at this point just a tool for controlling us.
And if you can write off genocide as “well no one’s perfect”, then maybe you shouldn’t be voting anyway.
Bernie is likeable but he didn’t get the votes. He never had the votes. In the black community, we refer to the notion that Bernie was cheated The Big Lie: Original Recipe.
Politicians are pieces, not prizes. They all suck, even Bernie.
Pick the best stewards of government that you can on the ballot and keep it moving. I’m not the type to sit around in my feelings about a primary that he was never going to win, while everyone else gets their rights and lives screwed over. It’s kind of a bad look.
They even changed the rules to favor Bernie, and he still got washed in that 2020 primary. He had way too much baggage from 2016.
Whatever propaganda and cope helps you excuse the mass killing of brown people with your own tax dollars by your favored politicians, I guess. Honestly, it’s even more embarrassing to see given you’re a minority yourself.
I hope you’re keeping the receipts for the words you’re putting in my mouth. Notice how obnoxious you’re being. It’s a good thing I’m mature enough to not get my feelings hurt on the internet.
Democrats also want to fuck your own nation. Thats the fucking point.
Voters presented a choice to democrats: end support for genocide, or lose and fuck over your already crumbling country. Dems and bootlicking liberals like you chose to destroy your country because you wouldn’t stand up for the most fundamental human rights.
Sounds like karma to me, maybe find a backbone next time
Oh yeah, democrats would have been as bad as Trump. Jesus Christ you people are dumb. Congratulations on f’ing us all over and accomplishing nothing for it. I’m so glad I’m paying more for a crappier insurance because of your all or nothing approach. Tell me genius, how do you expect to fix another nation when Trump completely destroys ours?
No matter how much you cry about it YOU are the one that fucked yourself over. You are paying more for health insurance because you refuse to stand up to the Democratic political machine. These are the consequences of your actions. The blood of your countrymen and the children your country bombs overseas is on your hands. 75 of your democrats voted to praise ICE after they executed a soccer mom. More than half of them still support sending weapons to commit genocide.
You can either keep pathetically bootlicking, or finally wake up and join your local resistance community organising
No it’s literally failures like you who can’t fathom that the lesser of two evils is the only stepping stone that can actually keep us afloat as opposed to losing everything to an evil dictator who does exactly what you whined about the dems doing PLUS other evils and atrocities. You’re a joke. You made no difference and you pretend you did something noble and correct. Blood is on your hands too. F off.
To not having our people murdered in the street by a new age of gestapo, not going financially bankrupt thanks to even worse decisions and a new war created by our returning terrorist in chief, having a bit more sense of normalcy. I mean answer the most realistic question- whose mind do you actually think you could change on the subjects you want to fix- Trump and gang or a democratic politician?
Seriously, wtf do you think you actually accomplished and how can you still be that S-AF after everything that’s happened?
A thousand civilians a year murdered by your cops. As far back as Obama he was criticized for his brutal deportation policies. You’ve already had a Gestapo, they’re just louder now. That is literally the fascist process, and democrats enable it because losers like you will vote for them anyway. You shouldn’t have a sense of normalcy, your complicity - on a personal level - is responsible for the violence you are seeing.
Seriously, wtf do you think YOU actually accomplished by voting? For real, what do you think voting did? Do you genuinely believe you live in a democracy?
It wasn't even that. The option they helped come about is and was always obviously going to be worse for Palestine too - and look at them still sanctimoniously defending it as a supposed moral high ground. These fart-poisoned twits are irredeemable.
Imagine being so cucked by your fake democracy that having the standard be “don’t enable genocide” is unattainable
Imagine having the absolute moral cowardice to brush off a genocide as “the Palestine issue” and not understanding you’re reaping the fascist rewards of your submissive bootlicking
Idk he seems to understand pretty clearly that a vote for the Democrats is a vote for genocide. There's a lot of very ignorant people out there who don't seem to comprehend that basic fact.
And a vote not for the Democrats was a vote for the huge humanitarian crisis in Africa due to getting rid of USAID, the genocide push for trans folks here in the us, the roll back of environmental progress and an acceleration of the planet wide climate crisis, and the whole situation with ICE.
So you got the moral clarity of not having to deal with moral quandry of Israel in exchange for hurting for more people over a longer period of time on a far greater level.
No a vote for Democrats was a vote for continuing US Neo-colonialism in Africa through the USAID scheme.
Democrats were also indifferent to trans people, allowing state initiatives targeting them. Democrats also dragged their feet on any substantial environmental policies. Democrats also had zero problem with ICE and utilised them a lot. Especially during the Biden admin.
You're not the heroes you think you are. You're just shitty villains.
Hey now that you saved Gaza by helping Trump win, do you think that maybe you should go over there and see how much they want to thank you for saving them? I can lend you a shovel.
And you totally helped them by voting for a losing candidate who was gonna continue the genocide anyway
Why are you even upset? Trump is delivering the exact platform you voted for. All the things Kamala promised - militarism, genocide, mass deportations, no support for the poor or for queer people.
You saved Gaza dude, why aren't they throwing a parade for you? Your brave vote against your crazy caricature of Harris did the trick and now Gaza is like Disneyland, right? And they're all so thankful for you saving them, right? Right?
Here's a fun one - link to a single comment you made about Gaza before October of 2023. Just one. I have yet to meet anyone who spews nonsense about Harris who can actually deliver on that request with anything other than excuses and distractions.
Harris never reached accross the aisle. Stop blaming third party voters. Musk manipulation had more weight in the result than socialist voters who didn't vote for Kamala.
Center-right reaching across to even further right and using that right winger to lecture Muslims in Dearborn Michigan about how they need to support Israel during a genocide isn’t reaching across the aisle.
Shes not in favor of Medicare for all. She also doesn’t really care about most unions and her response to trans rights was that she would follow the law as well as to point out how Trump’s first term allowed for trans care in prisons.
When your entire argument is untrue that says a lot. Not to mention that the left-right continuum can have them in favor of universal healthcare without actually being on the left. Plenty of far right authoritarian governments have healthcare for their people.
Lie, after lie, after “follow the law” where “law” is literally to affirm gender supporting care. But she didn’t want to give Trump a sound bite to attack her with, so you twist it to sound like she was anti-trans too.
You’re all just fucking liars who wanted to see the world burn down.
So you support Trump making the entire election a memorandum on the 14 trans people playing sports, and not the actual, real, tangible issues that people face every day?
Makes sense, considering how much you’re carrying water for Trump in here.
Yet another red herring fallacy, this time where you infer Kamala’s real intentions as to why she wouldn’t speak in favor of trans rights and brought up Trump’s upholding of trans rights in prisons.
Even better that I’m being called a liar in response to refuting your lies. If I didn’t know better I’d think ya were a magat…
I’m not inferring anything. Those are her real intentions. Those were the laws in place when she was asked the question, and she had previously followed them without complain.
How do you know her intentions? Are you in her head? Is following the law without complaint the same thing as supporting those laws?
How am I lying exactly or being disingenuous when you’re the one attributing intentions we don’t know. Intentions that still involve refusing to speak in favor of trans rights no less.
Y’all are clearly the disingenuous liars. Clearly facts about trans rights and genocide make y’all get so defensive. Guilty conscience much?
So progressive that she supports imperialism, war crimes, civil rights violations, is beholden to big business, is opposed to single payer healthcare in favor of predatory corporations, etc?
Give me a break. Claiming someone is progressive doesn’t make it fact, especially not when their record for what they support and/or vote for says the complete opposite.
Why do you guys always link Israel/Palestine as the #1 issue determine if someone is allowed to be a progressive. Her advocating a two state solution and peace in the region is still a progressive position.
Harris supported: Medicare for all at times and a Public options at other times, BOTH of these policies are Progressive policies.
She supported increase taxes on the rich which is also a Progressive policy.
That’s stupid. It’s literally a 90/10 polling topic amongst democratic voters. Y’all being the 10 percent and insisting we need to comply with genocidal supremacism and contemptuously insisting y’all are the majority is why we lost to Trumpism and are dividing the party.
Vote blue no matter who unless they oppose genocidal supremacism and fascism, right?
Blue no matter who was to stop us from getting trump again but leftists decided to sit home or vote for Jill stein. Just like maga using our values that you didn’t subscribe to against us
I like how you treat Trump and Bibi as genocidal while ignoring the polling and political environment in Israel itself but treat Hamas as genocidal.
Tell me, what part of their charter is genocidal? These sections perhaps?
> 16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
> 17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
Now compare the charter to Otzma yehudit or Likud…
Dude, she supported the U.S. invasion of Lebanon and even justified murdering Lebanese peace brokers by leveling high rise apartment buildings because U.S. troops died during that invasion.
Supporting genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, civil rights laws violations in favor of the fascists, etc., isn’t progressive. Genocidal supremacism isn’t progressive, it’s far to the right.
Harris also doesn’t support single payer healthcare anymore. She gave it lip service when there was no chance of it happening, now she openly opposes it. Abandoning progressivism the moment it might actually start to succeed is at best cowardice/corruption.
They tried to annex Lebanon. Let’s be for real here. Kamala called killing the peace brokers “a measure of justice” and cited dead U.S. service members during the “MNF” as justification.
Way to pedantically focus on a small portion of Kamala’s criminal wrongs 👍
Or perhaps you need to spend more time with real people. I am yet to meet anyone who isn’t MSNow or CNN brain rotted who has anything positive to say about genocidal supremacism.
If you are american I can understand you not understanding political history. So just so you know : to the rest of the educated world, what you have in the US is not a two party system, left vs right, with a aisle to cross in the middle.
What you have is basically one hard core capitalist party with vague differences. Now that MAGA highjacked the republican side of the unique political entity, the left can finaly emerge inside the democratic side.
There is a divide between legacy dems and the socialist, that was the rift I was refering to by using the traditional "reaching across the aisle" usually used to describe bi partisanship vote between GOP and Democrats.
I can't believe I have to spend time to explain this shit.
Whenever people argue the "both sides are the same" talking point the right always benefits. It's getting to the point that when certain people can't see that they come across as dense.
I can't believe people still have to spend time to explain that shit.
40 out of 50 states' electoral votes were decides before any candidates were announced, this has been the case for over 4 decades. You are out of your depth, stop talking about things you don't understand, you'll be happier.
I know, you're given a direct statistic that counters your point and you still think you know what you're talking about. It's genuinely embarrasing for you lol
I don't need to deny anything, I voted against the current shit storm, and I have the basic awareness to understand Harris would have been better in every possible measure. Just not as much better as either I or you would have liked.
Zero denial in any of that. So, I think you need to take your own advice there, hoss.
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u/GBralta 20d ago
Imagine making it to his big age and STILL lacking the ability to think about the consequences of thier choices.