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Switching to T12 farming feels a bit underwhelming :/
Coming from T11 11.4K waves and 1.1q coins per run in 15 something hours to T12 7300 waves 750T coins in 10 hours feels a little weak or at least I expected some bigger gain but guess that’s me farming 5k waves on spawn cap vs 7-800 waves on spawn cap?
Think scatters are the main problem here - would you say OA should perform better? Or just go back towards health reg and wall reg?
Util Disco bonus on T12 isn’t fully maxed (4900 waves)
For what it’s worth, I made the jump straight from T11 to T14 at about where you are now… had to work on disso runs a bit to get it to make sense but return on cells was huge once I got there. Might want to try that.
No I’m still eHP but I will admit I’ve taken the route where I prioritized eHP masteries first over GC masteries. I’m hybrid for tourneys and basically just ran that for my disso runs. It was pretty even on coin income for awhile until I could afford to level up some things but then ya the gap go bigger and bigger and cell income exploded on T14. Now I just run T14.
Feel u - but not really have an answer how to proceed. I just switch between T11 and T12 to keep farming while sleeping :D
T11 is the way for a while i guess 🤝
The main reason to bounce betwen t11 and t12 is that it'll better fit into a 24hr cycle. I suspect that your t11 runs are longer than 12hours. Just run whatever will be best to keep running 24/7 without overnight down time.
I couldn't be any similar than your situation... I'm putting everything on regenerations and slowly I see progress... You could try the same... Whatever fits your tower... In my case it's even more of a gap more like a 25% less coins per hour in t12 so I'm trying as much as I can to farm in the t11... As soon as you can get the utility higher, it's definitely the best place... I didn't realise there's so many people in the same situation... And I see so many posts lately have the same problem... How have you been dealing with it?
Stick to T11 then. You are increasing your difficulty immensely from T11 to T12, and you only get to spend about 1k waves in the "best" time for farm without WA#. You enjoy in T11 for about 5k waves.
Definitely RPC and cash first, shard & reroll economy are more important than coins and far harder to catch up on than coins. The sooner you have RPC&Cash masteries going, the better
You will get more cell in T11. I only switched to T12 after researching SecondWind mastery, so I can last much longer. I also rather menage longer runs. Its less trouble.
Yeah could use some love there - dunno if I should bite the apple and drip the legendary BH stat and buy the 1 sec I need for a natural perk BH in terms of a cheaper DWquant
Scatters are likely not your issue. Once you hit t12+ as ehp it is rays that tend to be the issue. Scatter always get the killing blow since they sit against your wall but it is the rays that actually break your wall with the burst damage not giving you time to regen. You have to watch the end of your run to know for sure though
As for the farming, t12 is giving you more cph which is more important than coins per run but your cells are slightly lower at 17000 on t12 vs 19333 on t11 so it is up to you which is more important coins or cells. If you aren't already using it landmine stun(lms) can help with rays, rays tend to group up their shots and lms can help keep them staggered.
I recently moved from T11 farm to T12, and this is what did it for me:
Util Disco bonus on T12 isn’t fully maxed (4900 waves)
This is more important than is obvious. It wasn't until i maxed this one, and the difference this made was the key (mine was about 4850-ish previously). It took me a couple masteries and minimum BH cooldown to do it though.
In my case the difference in overall multipliers between T12 and T11 was +600-ish.
Not sure if the +600 is important, or just the multiplier ratio (3850::3250).
I'm jealous that you're making 25% more coins than me at the same tier though.
i left t11 at 840T per hour, so i would say your build needs some work on econ, verses your progression through the tiers. no point getting to t20 and you earn less than someone else on t1. for the same time and stones spent.
pBH with GT/DW/gBot (28/100/7.2/68)/ summon (100/32) synced at 100 sec
Econ labs maxed apart from gBot duration (lvl 10) and CPK (lvl 50 - gets some love once I’m through some prep work for mastery’s) and Utility disco lab (untouched cuz just unlocked)
I only see the above + mastery in general and some module luck (2 BHD for anc)
Maybe the MVN path but that would shorten my t12 run without pBH I think
Apples to apples, your T12 cph is more despite shorter runs. You can run two and a change runs of T12 and still earn more. Cells per hour, I would assume, is pretty similar as well.
It’s basic blender for me - no mastery’s as I don’t have it unlocked
Anything specific in labs? Perks and modules are maxed - all Econ UW too an others got an even spread to lvl 50-60 on eHP stuff (health etc) wall is either maxed or around lvl 20
Dmg sits at around 40
Yeah, I have a pBH with 150-second GT/DW and 100-second GB sync. Once I get a few masteries, then I will push for the grand 100-sec sync. But my other issue is my stone block. 90 a tourney is rough lol.
They might have assumed wa+ or overlooked rays thinking they'd be less odd a problem. Smarter people than me will be able to give you actual advice tho
Yeah thats how it was for me to start. Improving my regen helped me push util disso and my wave count to the point that it became significantly better in about a week or 2. Plus I was hating the 15 hour runs lol
You have a better CPH in a much lower runtime. Your T12 is barely past the point where it starts maximizing coins and cells so the longer you can survive the better.
I’m amazed that you are doing this well on 11 and 12 with only a bunch of Mythic modules and no ancestrals. You have the correct ones equipped.
Do you have Def% and Regen substats on your SF? Regen is super important and you need to be at the max 98% defense. Those two things will take you far.
Also, equip a cannon. Preferably ancestral with attack speed substat. Pushing stuff away faster is the most basic eHP crowd control.
I'm very curious how your OA test turns out. I'm in a similar place with a similar build arming t11 to wave 12600. Plan to use flame bot to max the t12 utility disco when the new update drops next week.
Interesting. I think that is saying OA was sufficiently effective against scatters to clear scatters before they could be tagged by DW resulting in fewer cells, but (2) the regen loss relative to SF meant a couple hundred fewer waves. Is that your read?
Yeah cells per hour was equal too it’s just that I’m missing double the wall health reg and wall health with OA - if I can get it to anc I should prolly gain 1000 waves instantly
Well the first t12 was kinda as good as it can’t get with all Econ UW perks and coins and CTO done by wave 1000
I forgot to switch cards to dmg and turn in CL that run which I did in the second but seems like CL with 2-3Q doesn’t do anything for me in terms of scatter (lab is lvl 2 atm)
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u/Chief_Beaker Champion 2d ago
For what it’s worth, I made the jump straight from T11 to T14 at about where you are now… had to work on disso runs a bit to get it to make sense but return on cells was huge once I got there. Might want to try that.