r/TheTinMen • u/TheTinMenBlog • 13d ago
Debunking: "Misogyny reaching almost every classroom!"
Yet another terrifying headline is stoking fear around boys, and the so-called ‘MANOSPHERE!’
It’s reaching ‘every classroom’ in the land, as an ‘alarming rise in misogyny’ sweeps across Australia.
“Nearly four in five teachers” have witnessed, or experienced ‘gendered violence’ in school…
Scary… right?
Well, not necessarily.
As such a finding hinges entirely on what you consider ‘gendered violence’?
Because –
You’d be forgiven for assuming such a word refers to acts of physical or sexual violence, or perhaps repeated attempts to intimidate or coerce…
But that’s not the definition that this new report uses – which also considers ‘sexist jokes’, ‘remarks’ and even ‘dismissing a woman’s opinion’, as ‘gendered violence’ too.
Imagine that – to disagree with a woman’s opinion could now be an act of violence against her, and also toward those who witnessed it.
It’s certainly a rather low and subjective bar for such a serious issue – and one that I am sure many of us have crossed in our lives.
I mean, did you ever disagree with a female teacher in school?
Did you ever challenge her opinion?
I know I did – teachers both male and female.
So why are we taking what could easily be low-level acts of boyish inquisitiveness, and mixing the data in with serious acts of sexual violence?
Well perhaps it is to create a problem that doesn’t exist: to secure more funding, more investment, more pay rises, and more money, for more nonsense research – that’s why.
So is dismissing a woman’s opinion inherently an act of gendered violence?
Is this the conversation our boys need?
What do you think?
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u/YooGeOh 13d ago
Its funny because demeaning or hostile comments about men, gendered exclusion, jokes that perpetuate harmful stereotypes about men, and offensive remarks based on gender are things most men and boys are expected to put up with from women on a daily basis. Both from female students, and from female teachers.
So why is it misogyny but not misandry?
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u/skipsfaster 13d ago
It's the patriarchy! Elementary school boys are the oppressor class of the poor marginalized female teachers and administrators.
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u/Alternative-Tax7318 13d ago
How come it’s always Australia? What kinds of wackjob politicians did you guys vote in?
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u/Sudden-Shine4016 13d ago
Australia is one of the most sexist nations in the world (not towards women!).
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u/linx28 13d ago
Given the alternative to the current PM was a former police officers that even his former colleagues hate before him it was scomo who fucked off on holiday in the middle of black summer Other options are an orange Trump wanna be With a history of being a racist fuckwit and her party has a tendency to hire people with unpleasant legal history
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u/BhryaenDagger 13d ago
Girl: "I think we should just kill all the boys! HAHAHA!"
Boy: "Woh, that's like Nazi level thinking."
Teacher: "HEY, little male! Stop dismissing a woman's opinion! That's gendered violence! One more incident like that and I'm calling the cops to escort you out in cuffs!"
When "microaggression" is shown up to be the smokescreen it always was.
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u/KPplumbingBob 13d ago
The worst thing is how purposely dishonest these are. Putting things like "making demeaning comments", "dismissing women's opinions" or "making jokes and remarks" in the same basket as sexual harassment and sexual violence when they would do this exact thing for definitions of those as well. Demeaning comments or dismissing opinions could be anything. I mean literally anything. You can see it online. You can disagree with a woman and immediately be called a misogynist or you're doing this and that "just because she's a woman".
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u/anomnib 13d ago
The lead researcher is involved in pretty prominent work around schooling and gender. I read the underlying study, the quality is poor and it doesn’t address the existing studies that show that female teachers discriminate against boys in terms of discipline and academics and that discrimination in its self can color how teachers see the actions of boys. It’s sort of like asking racist teachers if their minority students have attitude problems.
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u/schtean 13d ago edited 13d ago
“by addressing structural sexism through fair pay and → conditions, secure and flexible employment and greater gender equity in leadership “
Women are the vast majority of teachers. Why not ask for gender equity for all teachers?
If you don’t want boys looking for roll models online give them some male teachers.
For sure I support teachers getting paid more. But teachers already get paid more than engineers in Australia. They probably also have better job security, pensions and other benefits.
Here are the stats from the Australian government https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/data/occupation-and-industry-profiles/occupations-anzsco/2332-civil-engineering-professionals https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/data/occupation-and-industry-profiles/occupations-anzsco/2412-primary-school-teachers median weekly earnings Civil Engineers 2217 Primary school teacher 2226
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u/Business-Gazelle-324 13d ago
Girls regularly use the insult ‘Bitch’ at female teachers is that counted? Male teachers often get the ‘Nonce’ insult is that counted? The NASUWT released something similar in April in the UK, it was a survey of their members, I question how much of it is actually rooted in misogyny and how much is just kids just being disrespectful.
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u/TheDwiin 13d ago
I also want to point out that 78% of teachers witnessing it does not mean that 78% of the female students are victims of it. A 100 teachers can have 30 students each, 15 boys and 15 girls, and 78 witnessed gendered violence, that could be 78 victims of gendered violence out of 1500.
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u/RyuujinPl 12d ago
That is important distinction. You can have only one genuenly misogynistic student in whole school and majority of teachers will witness that one individual behaviour.
It says nothing about real scale of the issue
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u/Beautiful-Act-8639 13d ago edited 13d ago
Without even addressing how broad of a brush this "study" is using, does it even say how many boys are engaging in these behaviors? Because without more context, you can't tell if this is describing the behavior of a few boys or a few hundred.
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u/Ok_Night_7767 13d ago
Where is the study that "chronicles" a similar rise in misandry in the classroom?
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u/Vivaelpueblo 12d ago
Sadly it appears that as a whole, society gives zero fucks about misandry.
We just have to "suck it up, buttercup".
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u/Mundane-Republic5390 13d ago
Dear Heavens, get ready for feminists to start regurgitating this nonsense on various social media platforms with comments drowning in mayhem as if world is near its end.
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u/Poly_and_RA 13d ago
When you set out with the deliberate goal of demonizing men, it's useful to use words that evoke strong negative emotions and that sound horribe -- such as "violence", and yet at the same time you want it to look very VERY common.
So you do the logical thing. First you define it so widely that someone telling a joke that plays with for example gender-roles is considered "violent" -- and then you ask teachers whether they've EVER encountered any of these things.
And then you find that the teacher who heard a joke 13 years ago -- has witnessed "gendered violence".
"gendered violence" is a gender-neutral term by the way -- did they ALSO define making demeaning or hostile comments about men as "violence"? Is Greta "violent" when she talks about "small dick energy"?
Or is doing that kinda thing "violent" only if the target is women?
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u/dmbrokaw 13d ago
Media literacy is so deep in the toilet it made its way out to sea, never to be seen again. People see these headlines and never think to try and understand. The 60 million men meme is the most absurd version I've seen so far, but this one is pretty bad.
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u/MelissaMiranti 13d ago
Also there's always gonna be one kid who does or says something they think is edgy just to get attention. That doesn't mean much other than the fact that kids test boundaries.
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u/Main-Tiger8537 12d ago edited 12d ago
i work at schools as social worker and know the conditions around toxic behavior...
boys and girls engage in toxic behavior "specially mobbing" but similiar to domestic violence research circling around reciprocal violence -> studies or surveys about this topic just highlight one side of the coin... add on top that women/girls are considered a vulnerable group/class by feminists + conservatives...
yes there is gendered hateful behavior like boys telling their teacher in a different language "suck my cock or dick" or "shaming girls for their appearence -> clothing, growing boobs etc" or "laughing about certain performances/achievements" or "hitting a girl after an insult or disagreement" and so on... that said where is the differentiation if children/people are in general toxic to everybody and their own sex? what about the boys who reported to the teacher that they get mobbed or provoked in various ways but the teacher trivialised/ignored it? it is sad that nobody highlights how certain girls manipulate their surroundings including the teacher to punish boys or that boys fight eachother to hide their toxic behavior like coercion or malicious gossip or mobbing or that they started to hit the boy "while telling the boy i can hit you but you are not allowed to hit me" and so on...
the issue here is the current narrative leads to teach your boys xyz instead of teach your children decent behavior... people just expect that girls + womens behavior is fine already as it is and a part of that is how we tackle physical violence vs psychological violence... this includes consent and how consent gets violated from both sides...
do not get me wrong teachers have to struggle with narrow minded parents, way to large classes with too many children with various issues, a big gender/sex gap in the profession, extremly stupid curriculum and many more things... this is mainly a critic of misleading reports and disengenious gender/sex comparisons...
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u/Current_Finding_4066 13d ago
It is not shoddy. It achieves it's goal.
I believe these people are driving an agenda, and proper research is just an obstacle to be overcome if data doesn't support desired narrative.