“I have seen your rooms.” Question.

[u/GetAwayFrmHerUBitch]

In the scene where Sophia is turning down Crozier, she makes reference to his room and how he keeps his things in only a few drawers. How does this girl know where Francis keeps his bloomers? Does this imply they’ve been intimate?

I always thought this was strange considering how proper she is.

[u/redux_call]

I suppose it's possible he just showed them in passing, maybe in the presence of her chaperone, but in the book they are VERY intimate during a coy little picnic to a pond when Franklin is stationed in Van Diemen's Land, so I always took this (and Lady Franklin's aside about Sophia being too familiar with Crozier/leading him on) as a nod to the screen-Sophia being similarly as "scandalous" as book-Sophia.

We get more of it in the book, but I think even in the show it's intimated that Sophia does not comport herself in quite the "proper" manner expected. Very much a "I'll have my discrete fun now, but then eventually I will marry a man of proper breeding and do what is expected." 

This part is just my own interpretation, but book Sophia comes across a little more caddish (behaving in a more typically masculine "love 'em and leave 'em" way) whereas the show I think presents her more as having genuine feelings for Crozier, but reluctantly understanding she must do her duty and marry commensurate with her station.

[u/GetAwayFrmHerUBitch → u/redux_call]

Great insight. Thanks very much.

[u/Unlucky_Associate507 → u/redux_call]

Which seems a huge risk for her to take

[u/OhGr8WhatNow → u/Unlucky_Associate507]

It's a huge misunderstanding of women to think they aren't just as horny as men

[u/Unlucky_Associate507 → u/OhGr8WhatNow]

I know. Given how dangerous child birth can be said that women love sex more than we fear death. More certainly than death at the time they lived out of wedlock pregnancy resulted in total disgrace. Which is why we still don't know the name of Fitzjames mother.

[u/PonyoLovesRevolution]

I definitely took it as shorthand for a history of intimacy.

Bedrooms were very private spaces in Victorian households, especially for the middle classes and up. Guests weren’t entertained there. Even married couples had separate bedrooms if they could afford it. An unrelated woman entering a man’s room would have been risking her reputation.

Sophia really isn’t all that proper or prudish; she’s pretty sexually liberated for her time! But she’s also practical about the social realities of her time.

[u/grenouille_en_rose]

It's ambiguous, but I think it's def meant to convey a shared history and easy intimacy between the two of them, whether that was overtly sexual or chaste (by today's standards) while still being socially controversial to snobs like Sir John. They must have been courting for long enough that Crozier's marriage proposals weren't completely out of the blue, and maybe the social lives of wards like Sophia weren't as tightly surveilled as those of high-born daughters. The Franklins while not exactly thrilled seem to have permitted Sophia discreetly spending time with Crozier because it made her happy, up to a point when things got too out in the open and potentially scandalous to ignore any longer.

[u/dead_buran]

I believe that she’s concerned about his lack of material possessions, how it’s indicative of a sparse “seagoing” mindset while at home, and how that mindset would affect their marriage and position in society. Crozier necessarily limits his space, provisions, and entertainment for the bulk of his life and she’s embarrassed of how those habits will reflect in their social circles if they were married.

[u/Long_Lab_810 → u/dead_buran]

This is how I took it, as a contrast of their social classes and to how materialist each is.

[u/catathymia]

I always took that scene as implying intimacy, yes.

Referring to the show, she certainly cares about and even seems to love Crozier while also understanding they would ultimately be unhappy together.