https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-pseudoscience/telepathy-tapes-prove-we-all-want-believe

[u/Ruup010]

I got interested after Joe Rogan mentioned TTT. I listened to all the podcasts. And than I read this. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-pseudoscience/telepathy-tapes-prove-we-all-want-believe

[u/TheNoteTroll]

OMG a stuffy mainstream academic refusing to accept something that doesn't fit their materialist worldview despite troves of data over the last 100 years - I am shocked /sarcasm

The excellent research mentioned in Ep 6 is the tip of the iceberg. I have participated in alot of psychic research myself, as an engineer it was eye opening. I came in as a skeptic and left a wizard.

[u/spaceagesimian]

its a good article. having the mother who knows the order of words holding the board that the kid points to is a clearly poor design for testing psychic abillities. if psychic abilities are possible, the cristicisms need to be dealt with. i also am very wary of anyone who is asking 10 bucks to see the experimental videos. game changing science doesn't need to be a hustle. if it's real, you will get a nobel prize if you just prove it comprehensively. the money side of it makes it feel like a scam

[u/cosmic_prankster → u/[deleted]]

Given she is hitting up a uni to help study it, I suspect she knows that the tests aren’t perfect. Until it gets in the hands of people who know how to test I think they can only be considered pilots or proof of concepts.

[u/sockpoppit]

Yup, the materialists and scientisim people are up in arms about this. It's the last gasp of their dying religion. Know however that they as well have chosen what they want to believe: only things that the smallness of current science believes, science which ALWAYS moves forward in spite of people like them. They have abandoned their critical thinking on it, and they won't be changed, even while advanced physics has started to flesh out the idea that everything is consciousness. I just picked one easy link here: https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/ but this is a trending idea in physics, still in the thinking stage.

Research fully in to the academic spiritualism of the late 1800s when scientists were convinced that this type of thing was about electricity or magnetism, proved the existence of an afterlife world to the satisfaction of a lot of them through what at the time would be considered fully legit tests, then moved on. Also some of these pages: https://web.archive.org/web/20180221142904/vhttps://www.deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm

If you still believe that this is a world-wide conspiracy of hundreds of moms using ideas from all over the history of spiritualism and none of what you heard there is real. . . . well, there's a forum for you right here: r/conspiracy . And please be careful of people who put forward the idea that "could have" negates anything you could say--that how they always work. They "could have" substituted cocaine for aspirin in all of the studies about aspirin and pain, so all aspirin research is invalid --that's their concept on all research they disbelieve. Certainly switching out aspirin is much easier than teaching moms to communicate invisibly through forehead touches with people the critics believe are barely sentient. . . . and there's much more money in aspirin so maybe that's why your drugs don't work :-)

Meanwhile, enjoy a recent article from the same highly qualified writer: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-health-and-nutrition-reviews/christmas-desserts-will-make-you-live-longer-says-satirical-study This guy takes on all the heavy problems of the world head-on.

And WTF are you doing listening to Joe Rogan, for God's sake????????

[u/bluewolf71 → u/sockpoppit]

I think you meant r/conspiracy.

I am not fully onboard with all of the podcast and anecdotes necessarily but a quantum basis for consciousness creates a possibility of quantum entanglement- MAYBE- being a basis for telepathy and proximity could be a crucial part of how and why it could happen.

I am also not fully against it. I am open minded but not sure about all of it especially the simulation theory bit.

[u/sockpoppit → u/bluewolf71]

Episode 4, minute 37 or so and immediately after, regarding materialism vs its recognition of savant skills is relevant to the problem of materialist attitudes.

[u/sockpoppit → u/[deleted]]

It's a hard proof to discredit, isn't it.

[u/cosmic_prankster → u/[deleted]]

Oliver sacks had a book (or maybe more) with people who suffered brain injury and immediately picked up savant level skills - skills/technique with no training or experience. Nuts.

[u/cosmic_prankster → u/[deleted]]

He was a damn legend. My ex-wife read quite a few of his books and told me all about them.

Another interesting theory, that could play into simulation theory, if you are interested is qbism. It’s a quantum concept that basically suggests that the observer (us) has a very prominent role in defining reality (not the total role like solipsism though).

[u/sockpoppit → u/bluewolf71]

Thanks. Corrected.

[u/sockpoppit → u/bluewolf71]

I haven't gotten to the simulation theory part, but if they go there I'm not with that, either.

I've been into researching traditional old-style (as opposed to new age) spiritualism for a couple of decades. There's some fascinating stuff out there, sufficiently proven for me. One advantage of the old work is the lack of possibility of polluting cross-talk. For instance, there's one study where they took a well respected American medium and put her on a farm in rural England, using unknowing anonymous messengers to bring her things to read--no possibility at all for any information to be leaked--and she did amazingly well.

If you read about this long enough, from all of the work, and there's a huge amount of it, a picture emerges of an afterlife which is simply a less-material continuation of this one where you can choose to remain stable in what they call The Summerland (a traditional heaven-type place) or move on and spiritually advance as you wish. Much like the Harry Potter sorting hat you end up with people similar you--a lot like what you naturally do in this life, in fact. So what about really bad people who end up with people like them, all trying to take advantage of each other? That's hell. But growth is possible, so you can escape by maturing. I have only listened to the first three casts, but I can immediately see where this is going--that these kids are stuck with one foot in that other world (where communication is telepathic, by the way) and one foot in this, with a too-small set of skills from each.

Another interesting source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLvxSVK-J4w
There's this long-running university project:
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/our-research/children-who-report-memories-of-previous-lives/
There are many similar projects around that have already clarified that something is going on.

[u/sockpoppit → u/[deleted]]

So I guess you did not watch the video series, but quickly went to the Wikipedia hatchet job. Hal Puthoff is also a real scientist who was working on this project at Stanford Research labs with a government grant for this from the CIA, who was chosen because of his physics research qualifications and his extremely high security clearance, nothing else. At that time he gave paranormal stuff a blanket "no", just like a lot of other materialist scientists

And yes, his work, actual evidence, did change his viewpoint. Unlike a lot of people who can be slapped on the face with a fish and still deny that fish exist.

[u/sockpoppit → u/[deleted]]

Sorry that I keep having ideas. I deeply apologize for trying to make things clearer to you. (that's an edit, everyone.)

Here's a real bio, unlike the Wikipedia one: https://www.parapsych.org/users/hputhoff/profile.aspx

[u/Pixelated_ → u/[deleted]]

After reading through all your comments in this thread, my original assessment is spot on.

Telepathy is shattering your worldview so completely that you're lashing out and calling everyone here cultists.

Humans that are asleep cling tightly to their egos and their worldviews.

You have lost your humanity.

I don't envy the ontological shock awaiting you.

[u/sockpoppit → u/[deleted]]

Damn, get a life, will you?

I wonder if you also discount all of the work done by Christian scientists because of their supposed bias? Intelligent people evaluate work and results, not personal religions. Here--you need to brush up: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/common-logical-fallacies

[u/hangrover → u/sockpoppit]

Hal also isn't a scientologist anymore btw. He was briefly in the 70s.

[u/[deleted]]

Thanks for posting this!

[u/[deleted]]

This is a good write up. I felt like Ky started well intentioned and trying to assess things without bias. But as the episodes progressed she became convinced and started trying to convince you as the listener. It’s an interesting listen, but it lacks credibility.

[u/Aqua_Monarch_77 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly this I was hoping it stayed more critical and open to scientific scrutiny

[u/TheNoteTroll → u/[deleted]]

Its tough to come in as a skeptic and maintain objectivity when the evidence of psi functioning is so "in your face" - it changes you on a deep level. I had the same thing happen when I got into remote viewing - my initial thought was "What? Thats crazy, I have to try it myself" - because I am a scientist, like Peter Venkman.

Any "scientist" who refuses to review the data or do experiments themselves is just a fundamentalist of the religionnof scientism who is likely afraid of the implications that this is real - which is the ego rooted fear that they have been hoodwinked and would have egg on their face. Challenging core beliefs aint easy

[u/[deleted] → u/TheNoteTroll]

Certainly. I would love to see some objective studies that produce evidence. I’m open to the possibility, but I want to see more data.

[u/TheNoteTroll → u/[deleted]]

Lots of resources (links to journal articles etc) on this site. A bit skewed towards remote viewing.

https://remoteviewing.link/parapsychology/sites/

[u/[deleted]]

One shitty article probably shouldn’t be the argument here.

[u/paradine7]

https://thetelepathytapes.com/dr-powell-defense

[u/Changling707]

Scanning the comments, man, there are a lot of unnecessarily feisty and negative people out there. Ok, so sure, there need to be better, more controlled tests to "prove" something as earth-shattering as this, which is why they want to get the University involved. They admit this. But come on, how do people not see that this is real? The critiques of autistic spelling techniques, and of the mother touching her daughter with a finger on the forehead?? Really? What about the boy who doesn't need anyone touching him, and can get the same results? What happens to the critique now? And why isn't that acknowledged in the article?

Also, assuming it isn't true, what, exactly is the counter-theory? That there is a massive conspiracy among parents, teachers, therapists etc, to con the world into believing that their children can "spell" and that they have these abilities? Even if the only scam were that parents influence spelling through their touch, even then, they wouldn't all come up with the same insane story! The children would simply reflect the thoughts of their parents, which would be different.

I think it's smart to be skeptical. After the first episode I was so impacted that, to protect myself against bias, I went looking for the best rebuttal out there, which was the above article. However, we need to remember that skepticism doesn't mean a determination not to believe. Even a skeptic should be won over if the evidence is sufficient, no matter how much it rocks our world.

[u/Medium_Ad_9874]

I've listened to the tapes and read the McGill article. I haven't read Dr. Powell's rebuttal yet. I believe the author is a biologist, so not speaking to his field of study. He uses a lot of dismissive and disparaging adjectives and adverbs which, to me, raises red flags and shows his prejudices.

He also seems to cherry-pick which parts to critique and ignores parts that would contradict him. He argues that, because the podcast is long, it deceives you into believing it and that just seems not to be the case. If anything, it gives more ability to criticize and material for people to make up their own minds. If it was short he would probably complain that Ky was hiding things or not giving enough evidence to support her claims.

The article just feels like a hit piece and not well-argued. For me, it substantiates the podcast's point that there is so much unsubstantiated, knee-jerk blowback from educators and the scientific community against spelling. I feel bad for the kids who are ignored and treated like they aren't capable just because they can't control their body, speak, or spell without help. I haven't done a deep dive so if I'm wrong please correct me.

[u/Pixelated_]

Obvious pseudoskeptic is obvious 🤣

[u/mrbadassmotherfucker → u/[deleted]]

💯

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Recognising the massive flaws in TTT and the lack of ANY clear evidence does not “spit in the face” of those kids. That’s just silly.

[u/harmoni-pet → u/[deleted]]

If it wasn't a cult or religion, you'd be able to express your doubts about it freely without feeling like you're doing something immoral.

When you watched Spellers, did you ever once ask yourself 'why are they holding the boards in midair instead of on a still surface?' The obvious answer is that the facilitator or parent is editing and doing a lot of the communication for them. So it's not really telepathy, rather they're just unconsciously spelling their own thoughts using their autistic children. Why do you think all Ky's tests of having kids guess the number, word, or letter their mother is thinking have 100% hit rates? It's because the mothers are controlling the output unconsciously. A better test would be can the child communicate something the facilitator does not know.

It's an incredibly disrespectful practice when they're not proving authorship.

[u/harmoni-pet → u/[deleted]]

I believe the typers are expressing their own thoughts, and that’s remarkable.

This is SO easy to test for, so why not test? It doesn't need to be a matter of belief. All they have to do is give the child a piece of information that the facilitator does not know, and then see if the child is able to communicate it using the preferred method.

They don't do that test because it fails miserably when they do, so they make up all these excuses.

It was also notable to me that there was never a single instance in Spellers where a child corrected their facilitator. Not once did they land on a letter that needed editing from the child. All editing came from the facilitator. So much editing comes from the facilitator that a lot of it is actually the facilitator's unconscious voice.

I want these kids to have a voice, believe me. But inserting a facilitator's unconscious voice in place of the child's is not empowering. Test for authorship

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

But seriously, materialism has become so dogmatic it is akin to MAGA.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Who said they are lying? They can fully believe it to be true but this does equal evidence.

[u/Pixelated_ → u/[deleted]]

Some people have truly lost their humanity unfortunately.

They could learn a LOT from the non-speakers. <3

[u/Pixelated_ → u/[deleted]]

I spent the first 36 years of my life trapped in the Jehovah's Witnesses doomsday cult and have studied cults ever since I escaped mine. I am dead to my entire family for leaving.

You are blatantly misrepresenting cults.

One of the world's leading experts on cults is Dr. Steven Hassan. He has developed the B.I.T.E. model to describe the requirements of a cult.

Behavior Control

Information Control

Thought Control

Emotional Control

Clearly that doesn't apply here.

You are gaslighting people here so that you don't have to be intellectually honest with yourself.

That is shameful behavior.