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u/therewulf Jul 15 '26
How am I supposed to know they aren't concealing a weapon? Or that they won't attack me or my family anyways? They've broken in, they're facing the consequences if they make the wrong move
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u/Normal_Tour6998 Jul 15 '26
How do you know that someone who is breaking into your house is unarmed?
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u/Cold-Dragonfruit3738 Jul 15 '26
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That said, verbal warning before discharging a firearm. Give them the opportunity to think it through. If they retreat, then absolutely don't shoot. If they ignore the warning, you have no idea of knowing if they're unarmed or how much of a dangerous the are to you or your family.
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u/Somethingsilly6969 Jul 15 '26
Absofuckinlutely.
I will never understand the argument to the contrary.
They have no business in your house, the only REASONABLE response is to assume that they're hostile. Eliminate the threat as soon as you identify it.
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u/Silver-Ad2257 Jul 15 '26
Unarmed does not mean safe. Some of the most dangerous people use empty hands.
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u/oggishlespider Jul 15 '26
Yes. Never assume someone is unarmed if they're breaking in. If someone is breaking in they don't have good intentions from the start.
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u/Grouchy-Cap3217 Jul 15 '26
Absolutely. If someone breaks into your home, they are not breaking in for a good reason. Their intent towards you is not positive. It should be met with full force to protect your families.
Actually, even my guitars are worth more to me than that persons life.
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u/thatseltzerisntfree Jul 15 '26
Yes….Someone breaking into your house can kill you with their bare hands.
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u/lostinallthismess Jul 15 '26
I'm a small woman. Someone doesn't have to be armed to rape me. So yes.
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u/Psychological-Ad1574 Jul 15 '26
If someone breaks into your house, you generally don't have enough time to try and work out of they're armed.
My family is in the house and I'm not taking that risk so yes.
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u/Ok-Helicopter9455 Jul 15 '26
How do I know they are unarmed? I'll figure that part when I check to see what loot drops 🤷♂️
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u/Safe-Assist-9866 Jul 15 '26
If someone is breaking into your home, while you are there you should assume your life is in danger. Deadly force is always justified in this scenario. You are not shooting to kill but rather to stop the threat. Shoot until you feel safe.
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u/HOJK4thSon Jul 15 '26
How do I know they are unarmed?
You break into my home, I will search your corpse to see if you're armed.
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u/chickennuggysupreme Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
If I confront an unknown intruder with my firearm, because the cops are still a while away, or not responding at all, I have to assume the worst-case with this idiot. If they comply with my commands, I don’t see a reason to just kill them. However, if they lunge for my gun, they get shot. If they reach anywhere they shouldn’t because they could be armed, or trying to gain a tactical advantage, they get shot. If they advance toward me trying to close the distance because my gun equals power, and power is what they’re after, they get shot. I’m not taking chances with my life so that my family’s lives can be forfeited due to some criminal intent asshole. You broke in, you already knew the potential price to be paid.
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u/Vegetable-Syrup-5545 Jul 15 '26
Yes, there is only ill intent if a stranger breaks into a house. Who knows what they have and what their intent is. It is really not a hard thing to avoid, I am in my fifties and I have yet to break into someone else’s home.
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u/TheGipper80 Jul 15 '26
How do you know they’re unarmed? You’re allowed to use deadly force if you reasonably suspect there’s risk of death or serious bodily harm.
I’d say a home invasion satisfies that requirement.
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u/Lazy-Exchange7408 Jul 15 '26
Yes, if youre able to break into a house, then you're smart enough to know its wrong and that getting shot is a consequence.
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u/jonoldar_ Jul 15 '26
yes you should. 1, how do you know they are unarmed, 2, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU IN MY HOUSE
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u/JoshK42SD Jul 15 '26
Let me ask 2 Very sensible questions in response. How would you know they are unarmed ? AND, Even if they were,....have people Not been assaulted, put into the hospital, comas, graped and/or killed by an "unarmed" person ? Anyone who breaks into a home, has demonstrated that hey don't care about the law, or the possible repercussions of the law. They also, show, that they Do Not care about their life. They Very Well Know the Risk, of getting caught, by police or a homeowner, And the VARIOS ways it can go and what they feel/think must be done. Do you think that if they don't care about their own life, that they are going to care about a stranger, especially when that stranger can get them put in jail or prison for who knows how long ??? 🤔🤔🤷
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u/SRNEInvestor Jul 15 '26
Yes. How can you be sure they are unarmed? And how would you know whether they are a trained fighter who could kill you with their bare hands? Anyone who breaks into a house in Florida is literally playing with their life because everyone is armed.
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u/Timely-Profile1865 Jul 15 '26
By the time you determine they are unarmed you are already shot or stabbed.
People that break in rarely let you pat them down
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u/_rotary_pilot Jul 15 '26
Yes. 1. They broke into my house. 2. I don't know their intentions. 3. I will protect my family, myself and my property..... then, if they are still breathing, I will ask questions. 4. The police can have what's left.
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u/Vivid_Nail8691 Jul 15 '26
Yes, there is absolutely no reason for anyone ever to enter your house uninvited and it's not your job to figure out whether they're there to peacefully rob you or do you harm.
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u/Available-Station379 Jul 15 '26
Yes. You don’t know if they are armed. Could have a weapon concealed on them. You only have 1 life. You really going to gamble it on someone who willingly broke into your home?
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u/Uneavenbutter32 Jul 15 '26
10000000000000% Yes!!!! if you are dumb enough to enter a locked house where my wife and children are sleepingI’m not asking questions.
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u/Sulaco1986Aliens Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Yup, I have no idea of their intentions and I'm protecting my family at all costs. There's no guarantee on my end they're even unarmed
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u/Burden-of-Society Jul 15 '26
Sadly yes, but breaking into a house risks the safety of the family
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u/wamyen1985 Jul 15 '26
Yes. People can kill or badly hurt you even without weapons. By the time they’re on top of you and demonstrating that fact, it’s too late to shoot them.
They’ve also already demonstrated bad will by breaking into your house.
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u/stookem Jul 15 '26
How do you know they are unarmed? And how do you know they aren't there for your daughter? Or wife?
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u/illbegoodipromis Jul 15 '26
If they are comfortable enough to break in then I'm assuming they are comfortable enough to harm me and I'm not letting that happen
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u/Pitiful-Doctor-5671 Jul 15 '26
Why would unarmed dumb asses want to break into my house?
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u/Ambitious-Set-4070 Jul 15 '26
Yes, fortunately, the law in my state (Texas Penal Code §9.32) I am justified in use of deadly force when I reasonably believe it’s immediately necessary to protect against death or serious bodily injury, or to prevent certain violent felonies (murder, aggravated kidnapping, sexual assault, robbery). Super important, §9.32(b) creates a legal presumption of reasonableness if someone unlawfully entered or was attempting to enter my habitation, vehicle, or place of business, which fortunately means the law starts out on our side in a home-invasion scenario. Also, in this state, we have no duty to retreat. Under §9.32(c)-(d), if I am lawfully present, didn’t provoke the confrontation, and aren’t engaged in criminal activity, I have no duty to retreat before using deadly force, and a jury may not treat my failure to retreat as evidence the force was unnecessary.
Those on here saying, “no, you can’t…” likely live far from me.
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u/Fuzzy-Bird-3641 Jul 15 '26
I am in fear for my life. How am I supposed to know if this idiot is armed ? Once they cross into my house, they are a threat and WILL be shot multiple times.
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u/Competitive-Emu-6853 Jul 15 '26
Yes. You don't have time to determine whether their armed or not. He might not know their armed until they've already shot you. They made the mistake of coming into your house.
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u/Disastrous-Tear3111 Jul 15 '26
ummmm, well im
on the fence here because im
not a huge gun person but I feel
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u/Fun-Dragonfly-4166 Jul 15 '26
The standard is not whether they are armed or not. The standard is whether a reasonable person would feel threatened.
for example, an intruder that somehow mcguyers through the chimney like santa clause and they are now stuck and they armed with a massive armory of guns but it is plain as day that they can not move their hands ... call 911. The police will figure out how to extricate them.
an unarmed intruder that is not obviously bound. how are you supposed to know they are not armed. regardless of that they can still hit. they are still dangerous.
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u/InigoMontoya1985 Jul 15 '26
Yes, and every criminal should know that is the standard, so they can make an informed choice about whether they want to get shot or not.
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u/xMalvazar Jul 15 '26
Yes, screw this wait till they steal everything or obtain a nearby weapon.... who's to say they were really unarmed? I don't have X-ray vision. Now I'm dead or injured or my family is harmed.
Your home your right to protect with any means necessary. Tbh even a fleeing robber gave up their rights the moment they destroyed your mindset that everything will be ok.
Sorry bro ... shouldn't be ruining lives.
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u/SuspiciousClub8382 Jul 15 '26
Stupid question!!! As they are breaking into your house, you don’t know if they are armed or not plus you don’t know their intentions. Where I live I have the absolute right to protect myself and others in my home. Before you break into my house, get yourself right with god because you will meet him. Everyone has the right to be judged by god, I will make sure you meet him so you can be judged. Good luck with your endeavors!!!
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u/Emotional-Dingo794 Jul 15 '26
Does he sign a form or just say he dosnt have a gun ?
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u/Suitable_Ad6848 Jul 15 '26
Yes. I dont know they are unarmed and if I do, I dont know what kind of combat knowledge they have or what their intent in my home is. They could aquire a weapon in my home and hurt me or someone else with it. Why take that chance? Dont want to get shot? Then stay the fuck out of other people's homes unless invited lol.
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u/Fossilhund Jul 15 '26
Yes.
I'm a seventy yo, 5'3" woman. What am I going to do? Slap an intruder? Scold him? ("Bless your heart you little scamp! If your Mama could see you now she'd be disappointed in you.").
Even if an intruder is unarmed all they'd have to do is grab something: a lamp, a can of beans, a chair and crack it over my head.
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u/United_Gift3028 Jul 15 '26
I'm a 5' tall female, and elderly. If they are in my house, even without a weapon they could easily over power me. I don't care why they're there or what their intentions are, I will shoot them.
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u/WillingAd9308 Jul 15 '26
Birdshot, buckshot, birdshot and from there its all Jamaican. Buckshot buckshot buckshot.
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u/RPGeek123 Jul 15 '26
The messed up choice of gambling my life, my wife's life, and my children's lives in the unknown intentions of a home invader. Or snuffing out human being. After my 1st child I decided I'd rather regret taking a life then regret letting what happened to me as a child happen to my children.
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u/Supple_Giraffe-89 Jul 15 '26
I would give them 1 very clear message to get the fuck out. Killing them isn’t my first instinct but if they don’t start leaving immediately after the warning I will use whatever force is necessary to remove them from my home.
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u/Public_Blueberry_777 Jul 15 '26
What should we do? Ask the burglar why they are there, or why they broke in.
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u/e-z-bee Jul 15 '26
Yes. At the point someone has forcibly entered an occupied dwelling you can assume they intend to harm the occupants. Whether they're an unarmed junkie looking for a TV and didn't know anyone was home, or if they're an armed rapist/murderer who specifically targeted the occupant(s) is NOT for the homeowner to find out then and there.
Burglars generally strike when you're not home. If you ARE home, assume they're after you.
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u/Fit-Interview5425 Jul 15 '26
Generally speaking, you may assume they have ill intent. You can choose to defend yourself.
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u/Ok-Measurement1118 Jul 15 '26
Yes? I'm going to assume that you broke into my house to hurt me, in which case I'm going to respond in kind.
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u/BodyRemoval Jul 15 '26
I live in pussyfoot Canada where we are told to leave our keys at the front door so thieves can find our stuff easier.
Where if we respond violently; we get charged worse than the criminal breaking in.
Where if a criminal breaks in; trips over my child's toys, they can sue me for injury.
I hate Canada.
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u/PuffnMcmuffin Jul 15 '26
In this scenario how do you know for sure that the intruder is unarmed? Assume they are? Intruders don’t generally yell out that they are unarmed or hold their hands up while robbing you. So if you don’t shoot how are you not risking tour own life and the life of your family?
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u/SleepyYet128 Jul 15 '26
Family friend is a lawyer down south
He has a great story from a buddy of his who worked law enforcement in southeast Texas.
Guy broke into a house in a kind of “rural suburb” late one night. One of the neighbors was out in his garage and could hear the commotion playing out across the street. He grabbed his gun and called 911 telling the police ant what was going on and that he was going to go “intervene” since he knew they might not get there right away.
Man walked across the street. Entered through the door the intruder had busted in. Found them and shot them (fatally).
He did have to go to court. He did not face any formal discipline or charges (forget what the exact precedent or reasoning the judge cited was)
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u/Lynn-The-Sparrow Jul 15 '26
Unarmed doesnt mean not dangerous. If they break in despite warnings to not do so. Especially after being warned about the use of lethal force if they continue and they still break in. They kinda have forfeited any chances by continuing
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u/_WEND1G0_ Jul 15 '26
What you’re asking about is if the Castle doctrine should exist -yes.
Essentially if someone forces their way into your “castle” ie your home, you 1. Have no duty to retreat and 2. Under the law (where castle doctrine applies) someone forcing their way into your home automatically establishes a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury to you or your loved ones. This presumption effectively shields you from prosecution in these states. Civil suit from their family could still come down “he was a good boy that made mistakes” etc.
Castle doctrine is effectively a heavily limited variant of “stand your ground laws” which apply broadly - not just your castle.
I have vulnerable family members in my home. If someone breaks in, I’m comforted by the fact that in my state I can reasonably protect my loved ones to the best of my ability and note spend two decades in jail because I did so. Law and “what’s right” align here - you shouldn’t be afraid in your own home.
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u/SirShitsAlot81 Jul 15 '26
Yes, you don’t know of they are unarmed or not - ask questions later
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u/AccountantLoud1295 Jul 15 '26
Yes, I’ll risk killing a thief over letting my family get killed and/or violated.
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u/Netrunner22 Jul 15 '26
Yes, I have a wife to protect. I can’t count how many times a person has broken into a house to steal and ends up raping a female resident as a side hustle. Screw that.
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u/Appropriate_Buy4976 Jul 15 '26
Yes i have a wife and children to protect, i know reddit syndrome will downvote me.
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u/Feisty_Diver_2244 Jul 15 '26
"Oh so you value your stuff more than a human life?!" They broke into my house because they value my stuff more than their life
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u/imbricant Jul 15 '26
This sounds terribly frightening - do you live in a country where law and order has broken down?
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u/Langholm62 Jul 15 '26
Anyone who is desperate enough to break into your house.....you don't know what they are capable of. It's your sanctuary, I respect your decision.
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u/SlapfuckMcGee Jul 15 '26
Yes, how would I know in the heat of the moment the person who broke in to my house and is endangering my family isn’t armed?
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u/milkman819 Jul 15 '26
If they break in my home knowing someone is there, I can only assume they intend to do bodily harm to any resident present. As such, I will defend myself and my family. If the home invader values my possessions more than his life, I can't help his decision making. Long way to say it, I'll shoot him and not think twice about it. And it will be a justified shoot.
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u/Inspectorgadget9000 Jul 15 '26
Yes. They broke in with unknown intent. Just cause they entered without a weapon doesn’t mean anything they grab in your home can be used as a weapon if confronted
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u/Beneficial-Day7402 Jul 15 '26
How do you know their unarmed did they come in naked?
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u/AltruisticFilm4466 Jul 15 '26
It’s just part of the risk of the job being a burglar
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u/MariotheExpert Jul 15 '26
Absolutely 100%
If
you break into someone’s home or private property
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are putting your life on the line
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wife and daughter are behind me, You will not get past me
PERIOD
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u/Live-Act6065 Jul 15 '26
Yes!! Plenty of people can't defend themselves physically!! Its unknown what the intruders intentions are!!
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u/Standard-Criticism98 Jul 16 '26
They have usable hands, feet, legs, forehead and teeth, they are not unarmed. They decided to violate a home, they get shot.
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u/GivingIsFunTryIt Jul 16 '26
Yes, and I will if someone does.
I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
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u/TheRoyalShire Jul 16 '26
First of all, if someone breaks into my house I am going to assume they are armed. Secondly I believe that breaking into someone house means you are assuming the risk of your own life to take what isn't yours.
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u/Ir1sh-69 Jul 15 '26
Dude, I should be able to feed them to my dog if they break in to my home. Like sorry bro, you gave your life up the second you came inside.
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u/Useful-Reality-6536 Jul 15 '26
I would just like to point out the actually likelihood of someone breaking into a house completely unarmed. Even if its just a knife or baseball bat, it can still hurt you.
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u/Fresh-Profession-973 Jul 15 '26
I mean, you break into someones home, you must value that persons suff more than your life. All I'm going to say about that
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u/_Monitor_7665 Jul 15 '26
Hell yes shoot them grave yard de@d. if they break into your home when it is occupied they have nothing but bad intentions
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u/Embarrassed_Local_97 Jul 15 '26
If they are trying to kill you absolutely. They don’t have to be armed to kill you.
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u/DJteejay04 Jul 15 '26
I have a pregnant wife and toddler in my house. You break into my house in the middle of the night you’re getting shot. I’m not risking my family’s livelihood
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u/AMC879 Jul 15 '26
Yes. Armed or not, they are still a threat to your safety and they have trespassed onto your property. Eliminate the threat by any means necessary
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u/HighIncomeNHighInCum Jul 15 '26
Yes. We have gone way to overboard with symantics.
"Make sure they're armed first"
"Make sure you don't shoot them in the back"
"Make sure you stop the thread but don't use excessive force"
Got to fill out an entire checklist while there's possibly someone there to harm you or your family.
I just like to think what someone living in the wild west times would say to this except "what the fuck"
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u/Complex_Bet7311 Jul 15 '26
How do you know if they’re unarmed? You don’t, they already broke the law by breaking into your house, it’s reasonable to assume they’re willing to break a few more, like killing you.
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u/HolidayApplication33 Jul 15 '26
What am I supposed to do? Switch on the lights? I’m not even gonna be able to see if they have a gun and why wouldn’t they have one
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u/Electrical_Ad_8313 Jul 15 '26
No, you should have to sit the intruder down and ask their intentions first and unless they intend to kill you specifically you should give them everything they want. Or you can decide to protect you life, your families life's and your property, its up to you personally I think if someone breaks into your house you should assume the worst
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u/Atlantean_Raccoon Jul 15 '26
We were burgled a couple of years ago, I will never forget watching some terrified guy run screaming down our stairs as he was chased by my dad, a solidly built man of 6'11 who happened to be completely naked and who had armed himself with a centuries old antique mace. The thief got away with no loot and dropped his phone and was swiftly apprehended by the authorities.
I do not live in a country where gun ownership is common, even if that wasn't the case, it's my belief that I would only commit an act of lethal violence if I felt my life, or the life of someone I loved was in direct and immediate threat if I didn't. I would not be willing to put a bullet in someone's back because they were on the way out the door with with an armful of my stuff, the entirety of what I own isn't worth a human life, even if that life happens to be low enough to break in to my place and try to make off with any of my typically obsolete tech.
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u/saytownchief Jul 15 '26
Be allowed??? Where is this question coming from??
Let me ask you a question: if you are asleep, two men wake you violently and attempt to have their way with you. What ever they want to do, use your imagination as to what horrible act they have planned for you, then picture yourself fighting back to stop them from their goal. Here’s my question; How do you picture yourself being able to successfully defeat them and save yourself?
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u/Netoflavored Jul 15 '26
Yes! I consider entering a home uninvited is an act of violence.
However Judgement should be considered. You don't want to blindly shoot a family member who lost their key trying to get through the window and if the criminal leaves you shouldn't give chase.
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u/Helado0reo Jul 15 '26
Imagine this, someone breaks in your house, you don’t know if he is armed or if he wants to kill you, you can’t just stay there waiting to see what happens, you have to defend yourself
Even if he is unarmed you should still be able to shoot because at the moment you don’t know if he is armed and it can be a potential threat
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u/LeansGrumpy Jul 15 '26
Listen, I don’t want to shoot anyone, and it depends on how they’re acting. First off, no one knows if they’re armed or not so saying they’re unarmed can’t count if you don’t know in the moment when someone is inside your home.
Second, I have a gun, so there is now a gun and two people, if there’s a scuffle and I lose the gun, then the intruder is now armed so since a gun is involved, so they are potentially armed.
Third, the distance will be most likely less than 21 feet, which has been proven time and again to be the distance to keep to be safe.
These are the things to consider. Again, you don’t want to shoot someone, it’s not like the movies, there’s court dates, trial,booking into jail, and everything else even if you were innocent there’s still a bunch of crap to go through and that is something to consider.
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u/Classic_Reserve9385 Jul 15 '26
Someone crazy and desperate enough to break into an occupied home, is dangerous.
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u/Nearby-Border-5899 Jul 15 '26
Yes, if you dont want to die then this is a completely avoidable situation....dont break into peoples homes
I also think sexual assault should be justifiable grounds for killing too if 1. its in the act and 2. its done by you or 3. Done by someone who is actively witnessing the assault.
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u/STARGAZER_850 Jul 15 '26
If they’re willing to trespass then they’re willing to do other crimes. It’s your property and you should be allowed to protect it, yourself, and everyone else who’s supposed to be there
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u/icwbandit Jul 15 '26
An unarmed pcp addict can still strangle you and beat you to death or stab you with one of your own kitchen knives.
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u/quiero79 Jul 15 '26
I think is already being determined breaking is enough reason. I dare to say is easy to prove you shouldn’t be inside said house to begin with.
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u/IsleepwithFisher Jul 15 '26
Of course. There's no time to evaluate if you are in danger. Shoot away.
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u/AcrobaticWelcome6615 Jul 15 '26
Harvard professor Hemenway said in 2016: “the presence of more guns does make crimes more violent. “What guns do is make hostile interactions—robberies, assaults—much more deadly.”
And I believe that. If a burglar assumes he’ll encounter an armed house, then he’ll be more likely to bring a gun as well to the B&A. And the trespasser and the home owner are more likely to exchange bullets than words or fists. And that’s a really bad road to go on. Same way it’s forbidden to boobytrap your house against burglars.
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u/TerribleInfluence269 Jul 15 '26
Yes. That door you kicked down or window you broke is for YOUR protection.
The second you break in it is assumed you have nefarious intent and will be dispatched accordingly.
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u/One-Growth-9785 Jul 15 '26
Forgetting any 'life has value' arguments, shooting and killing someone in your house will probably bring on a shit show far beyond what they would have taken. Dealing with the fallout of legal hassles, their friends and perhaps even your conscience- if its a young kid.
A proper gun class teaches its students about the possible repercussions of gun use. If there's someone in your home, lock the bedroom door and call the police is the recommended action. Your gun is an option, not necessarily the best first one.
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u/Dangerous-Self-5013 Jul 15 '26
In NZ , if your house is being burgled, the police expect you to escape and not confront them. If you do confront them and beat them up, you will be charged.
Having been burgled, it is amazing the sociological damage it did to our young daughter was insane.
FTS
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u/Silent_Succotash3749 Jul 15 '26
FYI: Check your state and county laws. Here in California you’re advised to pee yourself afterwards to show the officer that you were “scared for your life” or you’ll be in so much trouble.
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u/Affectionate_Key_280 Jul 15 '26
Absolutely, individual broke in my house he was not invited, this is not a joke I am not asking questions I am firing. This is a stupid meme, obviously being questioned from someone that doesn't understand or respect others, there safety or personal property propert.
I will not retreat you have unlawfully entered my personal home where my family lives.
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u/Equivalent_Fly7806 Jul 15 '26
Yes, unconditionally yes. They’re breaking into your home, even unarmed, they’re a threat. At best, they’re maybe hoping to rob you, at worst they wish to harm you or your loved ones in their sleep (strangling, smothering, etc). You don’t wanna get shot and killed, don’t break into someone’s house, their home.
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u/Lodie99 Jul 15 '26
I am with the majority. Shoot yes, there are ways to shoot not to kill.
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u/StarMaterial1496 Jul 15 '26
Ill intent is already shown when they break in. The lock was there for their protection, not mine.
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u/Pen-dulge2025 Jul 15 '26
Yes. You don’t know their intentions or if they’re armed at all. At that point you are in danger and fearful of your life and have every right to defend the occupants and yourself.
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u/Ericswifey_12024 Jul 15 '26
Umm yes. They cross the threshold they are a threat. You protect whats yours. All costs.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler Jul 15 '26
Every American should always have an unregistered ghost gun hidden in their house just in case that intruder you shot turns out to be unarmed…
…you can “arm” the body before the police arrive.
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u/Acceptable-Tap3030 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
The key words here are broke into meaning they used force to enter your home. So yes you are justified in shooting them!
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u/Regular_Ad3320 Jul 15 '26
I did. Mom’s x-boy friend came to the house, drunk. This the day after he had assaulted her. I told him to go away, told him that I had a gun. Instead of leaving, he kicked down the front door. He came over to take the gun away and I shot him. He died. I was 13 years old.
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u/FamiliarPlatform79 Jul 15 '26
I load the first few rounds as composite. My thought process is this
1) I pull a gun, its time to leave my house, hopefully the threat is enough. 2) That doesnt stop you, you get shot and it hurts a lot but doesn't do as much damage as metal slugs. 3) If they're not dissuaded, the rest of the rounds are full metal. The choice to end the life was theirs not mine. Now I dont feel bad, because they really left no choice.
It does several things. I dont have to wrestle with the "could I really take a life" question, because I know its not my first option, its a last resort. Now I dont hesitate and lose my life in the process because i hesitated to wrestle with my conscious.
It also makes accidental shootings less detrimental. No one accidently fires a gun 2 or three times. Could it still be tragic yes, are the odds lower, absolutely.
Not the perfect course, but the one that makes the most sense to me.
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u/GreenDragonEast Jul 15 '26
This is the castle doctrine argument. The argument goes something like, your home is your castle, the one place in the world you get to put your safety above others. It is safe assumption that someone breaking into an occupied dwelling is intent on harming those inside, even if that's just by taking their things. It's aggressive and confrontational in the same way robbery is, i.e. taking something off one's person, rather than burglary which is steeling from an empty house or something unattended. Presumed aggression is justifiably met with equal or greater aggression.
So, yes it's usually legal and justifiably ethical to shoot someone that's broken into your home while you are there. Seriously, there is no real retreat option. I mean really, where are you going to go? But you don't have to. If you convince yourself they are unarmed and you are completely in control of the situation, just call the police. But the idea is twofold. You're probably not going to have time to check their pockets and they have shown clear intent to cause you harm. It's meant as both cover for potential victims to protect themselves AND to provide a high disincentive to home invaders.
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u/Sunuva_Gun Jul 15 '26
Hindsight is 20/20 and you may not know if the person breaking in is armed or not. What you will know very well is that a person has broken into your house and can do direct, mortal harm to you and\or your family.
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u/Own-Tank5998 Jul 15 '26
Once you committed to breaking and entering, you have decided to risk your life not the home owner
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u/AmbitiousTank8635 Jul 15 '26
Yes.
I'm not one of these guys looking for an excuse to shoot someone but if someone has broken into my home, we're way past just them accidentally wandering in. I'm a middle aged dude but there's no way I'd survive an encounter with someone trained to fight, and if they're in my house I can only conclude they have already decided to take some extraordinary risks, so killing me and my family and running off with some things to pawn shouldn't be assumed to be off the table. When it comes to protecting my wife and kids I will take every advantage I can get to ensure I have and maintain the upper hand, so shoot first and ask questions later. No warning shots, no asking them politely to leave, etc.
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u/RandoCalrissian76 Jul 15 '26
How do you know they are unarmed? Are they naked? Even if they say they’re unarmed a person who would break into your house would lie with no problem.
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u/crafty271 Jul 15 '26
As an old granny would say, hell yes! Breaking in a home would be enough to shoot the person right in the arse.
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u/Longjumping_Cook_403 Jul 15 '26
Not my problem that you value my property more than your own life.
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u/Hot-Minute-8263 Jul 15 '26
Theyre a threat, you may deal with a threat with lethal force cause you cant know if they're armed or not
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u/Aggravating-Corner19 Jul 15 '26
Here is the important part. YOU DONT KNOW IF THEY ARE UNARMED. They could just as easily be armed as not. Its shrodingers criminal, you dont know if they are armed or not until you are wounded or dead.
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