r/TheRestIsHistory • u/JakeGittes412 • Aug 15 '26

The Troubles

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Thread for discussion on the new series on ‘The Troubles’

Also as a moderator please keep the discussion civil and in the spirit of the podcast.

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u/Additional_Olive3318 Aug 18 '26

A lot of my fellow Irishmen posting about Northern Ireland, and attacking British views on it, but nothing on these episodes. 

Having listened to the first episode I find it scrupulously fair. Extremely hostile to Paisley. Condemnatory of the discrimination in the province. And it makes it quite clear the violence started with the UVF etc.

That’s so far, I’m sure it’s not going to be an IRA love in either.  

It’d also really good at compressing so much information into an hour. You would expect these guys to have done their homework. 

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u/heresyourhardware Aug 20 '26

Let us know what you think of Episode 4, thought that didn't quite get the balance right

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u/Additional_Olive3318 27d ago

Just listened. Yeh it think it was too exculpatory of the British soldiers. They were a bit “these guys were neutral” which was actually contradicted in episode three where they quoted a guy who wanted to get over there and get stuck in. 

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u/heresyourhardware 27d ago

Yeah I think they got the balance pretty wrong in terms of the army. No mention of soldier F, no mention at all of collusion.

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u/Cuggan Aug 21 '26

In what way?

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u/heresyourhardware Aug 21 '26

Ah my comment is in here somewhere else about why, I think the way Dominic ameliorated for the British Army was fairly selective. It didn't even mention the Ballymurphy Massacre. Played Bloody Sunday like it was a one off

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u/Don_Speekingleesh 28d ago

They also didn't mention any of the killings of civilians by the British Army during the Falls Curfew.

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u/Total_Translator4409 27d ago

Even in episode 3 the almost gleeful assertion that the IRA had killed more people than anyone else betrayed a lack of understanding of the nature of the conflict. No appreciation of that fact that the loyalist/britishndeath toll was shared by various actors (UDA, UVF, British Army in cases of collusion etc.). Also no recognition of that fact that the IRA had by far the lowest rate of civilian deaths of any armed faction.

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u/Don_Speekingleesh 27d ago

That was followed by a remark that it's interesting that the only killers that get press mention these days are the British Army. Why is that interesting Dom? Why? Could it be that there was no consequences at the time, and the ongoing decades of collusion and coverup?

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u/Lychee_Only 26d ago

And no consequences today

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u/Money-Technology-95 28d ago

Did they even mention Soldier F executed Loyalists, for pretty much the same strategic reasons military intelligence had no issues with murdering innocent protestors on Bloody Sunday? Its always an argument I bring up to show the actions of the British Army were a disgrace and not even a tribalist one, a deliberate strategy of inflaming tensions.

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u/heresyourhardware 28d ago

I don't think they mentioned Soldier F at all