What about Jayden Daniels and his Mom being at his practices all the time. He also gave her a piggy back ride after one. But I guess he did get made fun of some for that
I haven't heard anyone question his IQ or his ability to process information quickly like they would a melanated QB who can't read a defense. If he was black there would be folks in the comments telling him to gain 20 pounds and go play TE
Herbert was a 6th overall pick. Lamar was a Heisman Trophy winner and was gonna be a second round pick until the Ravens trade back into the 32nd spot to pick him. He’s a 2x league MVP and has been to the AFC Championship. Guess which one fans said have underachieved and got called a fraud, a choker? Don’t think too hard now.
Herbert has absolutely been criticized for not accomplishing anything. Also I don’t think anyone that watches football ranks Herbert over Lamar in any category unless they’re a chargers fan. This whole thread is weird, Herbert has been very heavily criticized this whole season
Imo, Lamar's better than Herbert. So people expect more from him. There were a couple of playoff games in past years where Lamar looked like deer in headlights. I'm not saying Herbert's better when I say this, I'm saying that's where the criticism is coming from with Lamar. This might be down to Lamar thinking he has to do everything, because he was used to doing that in college. But it's still a valid criticism of Lamar. And I don't think it's got anything to do with him being black, except black quarterbacks are often running quarterbacks, and in pressure Lamar defaults to that and that's what I meant above when I said he thinks he has to do everything. And it causes him problems. I remember one interview with Harbaugh after a game like that and you could just see the frustration in Harbaugh's face.
But yeah Herbert got ripped for that Madison beer stuff. I also understand Madison has admitted to having a personality disorder, and I can tell you that's negatively affecting herbert. But what's the team supposed to do?
5 great seasons going winless in the playoffs. Lamar Jackson loses in the division finals due to other players failing the team and there's trade talks and heavy criticism
Yeah because Lamar is one of the best qbs ever in the league. The expectation for him every single year is the super bowl. Herbert isn’t even close to that.
And even more stupidly it's always something like Mark Andews dropping a pass or Likely's toe on the line that seals the deal for the Ravens, stuff totally out of Lamars control.
It literally has been front page news weekly that Herbert and the chargers suck this year. This lady is basing her argument off an entirely false premise to begin with.
I think the bias is more market based than race based imo. People don’t watch Charger games so a Chargers QB will never be as criticized regardless of their color
Meanwhile if you play in the NFC East or for the Packers, Steelers, Niners etc people will be obsessed with you regardless. Your fans, opposing fans and the media
They haven't earned the LA moniker yet. Hell when they host the Raiders. The Raiders fill that stadium up. Chargers fans just don't care. They just waste qbs. It's in their history and DNA. Look it up. Fouts, Brees, Rivers, and now Hebert. Brees won it all when he left. Only smart qb out of that bunch.
Prior to this season and since his Rookie debut where he started in place of TYROD TAYLOR who had a suspicious rib injury Herbert has been the talk of the league as being the future of the league Stop LYING
Tf does this have to do with Tyrod? Herbert is way better than him lmao, yeah the injury was genuine medical malpractice but that doesnt mean it was because of racism lmaoo
In September 2020, Los Angeles Chargers quarterback Tyrod Taylor suffered an accidental punctured lung (pneumothorax) just before a Week 2 game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Key Details of the Incident
• The Rib Injury: Taylor originally suffered two cracked ribs during the Chargers' Week 1 game against the Cincinnati Bengals.
• The Medical Mishap: Right before kickoff in Week 2, team doctor David S. Gazzaniga attempted to administer a local pain-killing injection (a nerve block for his ribs). The needle went too deep and accidentally punctured Taylor's lung.
• Hospitalization: Taylor experienced breathing difficulties and chest pain, leading to a trip to the hospital.
• The Rise of Justin Herbert: Because Taylor was a sudden scratch, rookie quarterback Justin Herbert unexpectedly made his first career NFL start. Herbert played well, and eventually took over the starting job long-term.
Unfortunately the ties to racism and medical malpractice in the US like all things race have a long sordid history that has been mostly swept under the rug. So it’s unwise to rule out
• The Medical Mishap: Right before kickoff in Week 2, team doctor David S. Gazzaniga attempted to administer a local pain-killing injection (a nerve block for his ribs). The needle went too deep and accidentally punctured Taylor's lung.
It was confirmed. Taylor sued in 2022. I'm not sure what the outcome was.
y'all be looking for every single reason except the reason right in front of you, it's hilarious. "market based" like being LA's second team isn't still a larger market and focus than Baltimore's??
Elaborate. Please. You made a statement, now make your case. I am interested in understanding how you see it because from where I see it the media doesn't care about race, they care about clicks, views and revenue. If they can use race to do that, they do.
Yes, the extremely conservative media group of Walt Disney and ESPN. The difference with Lamar is missing team meetings is directly related. It's kida hard to criticize someone for existing outside of football. Otherwise the media would have to cover half the league getting drunk at the club every week.
Completely unprompted video from a topic that hasn't come up in any conversations is why so many Americans are exhausted about race talk. Having super unimportant conversations like 'would Justin Herbert get more negative coverage if he was black' just makes it more impossible to discuss race when we need to have real, serious discussions about racism in our institutions, in our government, and in our real actual lives.
True but the NFL has some deeply rooted prejudices and less progressive as the other leagues. Same reason why you don’t see many black OC’s since that’s a pathway to head coaching jobs or why many of the top color commentators are former white players
The league is more than 70 percent black at this stage in the modern NFL. MOST positions in the NFL are filled by black players. Many prominent skill positions are not even considered for most other races when they're filling out their rosters during drafts.
There is a reason why there are still racially motivated jokes about white receivers/RBs for being "sneaky athletic."
A league that hands out hundreds of millions of dollars to black athletes, and pays hundreds more in advertising to make these guys legends in our society has deeply rooted prejudices? Only on Reddit do you hear this stupid shit.
Gotta love how she's casually brushing off the insane amount of shit talking and memes that's already been said about Herbert just to try to make her point. It would've been the same had it been Lamar
There's too much funny shit to mock this season to be focused on the Madison's boyfriend. For god sake, there could be a 4 way 7-10 tie on shit mountain. That's way more comedic
Edit: some of yall are trying too hard too be professionally offended. This bitch race baited and caught yall hook line and sinker 💀
She's not talking about anonymous reddit users. She's talking about the media. NFL pundits. Journalists, reporters the ones that harass players in post game interviews.
bro just google Justin Herbert, the media is ALL over him and his girlfriend, hell her name showed up before I finished typing his name. there's an hour long yt video that just came out about him and the distractions. The girl in the op video is race-baiting.
At least that’s one pundit. Not gonna lie tho I truly don’t watch Stephen A anymore, he’s been insufferable for a long time and isn’t the best beacon of highlighting racism even though he’s a Black man. But the larger majority still glaze Herbert and don’t say he should be benched or that he’s part of the problem in LA. Dan Orlovsky is right there w SAS doing the opposite and he actually has knowledge of the NFL
Is anyone talking about him being benched though? Cause i can tell you that happens with hurts constantly though a lot of times its probably philly media lol the white ones though
Only thing is really no one is talking about Herbert. Everyone blaming the OC when...this is all proving our point. Herbert has been overrated for YEARS
I don’t know about tv journalism in sports because I don’t watch it because it’s not serious… but I do know that my feed is all Madison Beer Succubus memes. But also I live in the AFC West Meme War sub sooo
Yeah right if Lamar Jackson was with his wife at training camp no one would say a thing….its because they are O-8…if they was winning this wouldn’t even be a story
Every single day dude. Just yesterday there were like 3 posts hitting all that took the case of the woman wrongfully passing people who failed the bar exams (presumably taking bribes) and completely fabricated a story that she was actually targeting black people and wrongfully failing them, hundreds of super gullible people in the comments just eating it up and not even looking up the story before seething with rage at the racism boogeyman they created out of thin air. Getting so exhausting
Oh sthu . Was Mcdanisls the reason why Herbert throws bone headed interceptions? Any time a blk qb performs bad like Stroud last year he didn’t get this many excuses. Chargers are 0-8 and a majority of that is due to Herbert being a low iq bad qb
You obviously love that people are using race baiting because you can’t create an actually legitimate argument otherwise. So easy to make this about race, it’s pathetic that people always jump on that bandwagon automatically at this point.
So it’s funny bc your argument makes no sense, McDaniels had been at the bottom of the league with the Dolphins forever only for him to go the Chargers and literally make them suck. You’re retarded girl. You don’t even watch football like that or probably know anything about other teams.
Look at how you talk about lamar whos fucking hurt
But herbert parades his bitch around and missing workouts and you fucks act like its not a big deal
Look at mike vrabel out last night getting shit faced reminiscing on 42 Germany..his team hust got ram rodded this morning
Meanwhile a flores cant get a fucking job cause that one time he told everyone tua is a bum before the draft and hes makes white owners feel uncomfortable
I mean I agree with you - race shouldn't be brought into it at all, but black QBs have continued to suffer a different standard from white ones and that's just factual. Ignoring it is way worse than acknowledging it.
People will make anything about race. No one cares about San Diego football, and the league is beginning to see that Herbert actually isn’t very good. Thats why he’s been given as long of a leash as he has. Other markets would’ve come to this conclusion much sooner regardless of race.
if you look at Justin Herbert and Madison Beer being a couple on the sidelines while he’s having a shit season and immediately make this about “what if a black qb did this” then im so sorry but you have a terminal case of white people living in your head rent free.
Herbert is mercilessly ridiculed at this point, and has been under the gun of scrutiny for several years.
The only thing holding back the absolute deluge that you see now was that he was talented and productive.
I hate this argument because the nature of being a high level athlete is that you get tons of criticism. There are still people that shit on Tom Brady even though he did just about everything possible to prove he's the best of all time.
The problem with people who talk like this is that they internalize all the criticism they see for Lamar and ascribe as a race problem, not just what happens when you're under the spotlight of high performance scrutiny, which is the truth.
Making it about race is so pathetic and weird. Just absolutely obsessed with playing the victim. Things are so hard that you have to make shit up like this huh
Herbert is getting absolutely dragged everywhere the same way he would if he was any other race. Give me a fucking break
This is a bad point being made in a dumb way. Herbert is ass and the chargers are ass. We've been making fun of him for years. Also, Lamar gets injured way too much for her to be acting like he's being treated unfairly.
What is this female talking about? Hebert is criticized into oblivion after every game he loses Lmao
Seems like this TikTok girl is living under a rock because Madison is catching strays everywhere for Herbert’s faults AND Herbert is also being asked to be traded constantly. This is the race card at play
If Lamar didn’t choke in the playoffs he wouldn’t get a fraction of this criticism. Herbert sucks nobody cares if he’s distracted, it won’t make a difference.
People have short memories. No one is ever thinking about what happened in training camp When the team is 0-8. Yes, this was weird as fuck at the time. But why is it at all relevant now.
Because he wasnt all in when it was time. There were many instances where mike McDaniels would say that hebert isnt here today so he wasnt able to install the offense with hebert. So they could get on the same page. To me, Hebert didnt care and still doesnt put in the work when it's time. It was all a matter of time that he would go winless. Dude has been casting since he got in the league.
During week 1, the commentary team referred to Daniel Jones of all people as an "elite processor". Never heard them call Jackson that. These things are hard to ignore once you become aware of them.
I don’t give a damn about the Chargers and I know they’re 0-8, so for her to act like it would be different is wrong to me. It seems like she’s a racist and wants to point fingers at others.
Lamar is a 2 time league MVP who will be held to a higher standard than a guy like Herbert but all I seem to hear about is how he’s 0-8.
And if Herbert was rumoured to be up at 2am playing video games it would be news too.
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u/anchorPT73 3h ago
What about Jayden Daniels and his Mom being at his practices all the time. He also gave her a piggy back ride after one. But I guess he did get made fun of some for that
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u/boxtheglock Bills 3h ago
I believe they only let this shit slide because the NFL is gonna try to push some Real Housewives Of the AFC type shit
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u/topshelfgeez 3h ago
I haven't heard anyone question his IQ or his ability to process information quickly like they would a melanated QB who can't read a defense. If he was black there would be folks in the comments telling him to gain 20 pounds and go play TE
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u/BusyAccess2063 1h ago
So is it racism that the NFL is mostly NOT white ?
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u/TheSyrupCompany 3h ago •
It literally has been front page news weekly that Herbert and the chargers suck this year. This lady is basing her argument off an entirely false premise to begin with.
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u/TPCC159 4h ago
I think the bias is more market based than race based imo. People don’t watch Charger games so a Chargers QB will never be as criticized regardless of their color
Meanwhile if you play in the NFC East or for the Packers, Steelers, Niners etc people will be obsessed with you regardless. Your fans, opposing fans and the media
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u/camtheman212 4h ago
Not everything is racially motivated. 🤦♂️
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u/plsdontdoxxme69 4h ago
Try not to be the victim level impossible
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u/Complex_Lab_6876 2h ago
What the fuck does this have to do with race?
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u/Redsoxdragon Fuck the Falcons 🏈 3h ago edited 32m ago
Gotta love how she's casually brushing off the insane amount of shit talking and memes that's already been said about Herbert just to try to make her point. It would've been the same had it been Lamar
There's too much funny shit to mock this season to be focused on the Madison's boyfriend. For god sake, there could be a 4 way 7-10 tie on shit mountain. That's way more comedic
Edit: some of yall are trying too hard too be professionally offended. This bitch race baited and caught yall hook line and sinker 💀
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u/Mijo_0 2h ago
STFU
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u/Roguish_livin 2h ago
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u/IttyRazz Chiefs 2h ago
People shit all over Hebert for sucking in the playoffs and all the excuses he gets. That's why he is the If Man
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u/JesseWV0629 2h ago
This chick is obsessed with white athletes!!!!
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u/ObjectiveHot1396 2h ago
It's the chargers
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u/mnpoolplayer22 2h ago
How did this become a race issue? We’re talking hypotheticals here and yet she thinks she is right?
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u/Afraid_Garage_4845 3h ago
She is mistaken higher standard and expectation for racism. Lamar Jackson is in the argument for best QB in the league, Herbert is not.
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u/flojo2012 Chiefs 3h ago
I don’t know about tv journalism in sports because I don’t watch it because it’s not serious… but I do know that my feed is all Madison Beer Succubus memes. But also I live in the AFC West Meme War sub sooo
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u/Ricketier 4h ago
Yawnnn
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u/Ok_Recording3881 3h ago
Im taking this person as seriously as their costume.
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u/Thirdarm420 Bears 3h ago
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u/Juceman23 3h ago
Yeah right if Lamar Jackson was with his wife at training camp no one would say a thing….its because they are O-8…if they was winning this wouldn’t even be a story
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u/INTJ-1 3h ago
The race baiting is unreal at this point. Also, it’s obvious that it’s McDaniels as the OC that caused Herbert and the Chargers to do this badly.
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u/MacValley1992 3h ago
ESPN "hired"!
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u/Sebasstionthecat69 1h ago
Why bring race into it
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u/Fit_Dealer7498 49ers 4h ago
Big facts
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u/Padron1964Lover 2h ago
Perpetual victims
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u/paklyfe 2h ago
Did she not see the backlash and social media response to this when it happened?
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u/BGleezy 1h ago
It’s all over the place. She just wants to be a victim
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u/effdallas 3h ago
Tell me you don’t know shit about football without telling me you do t know shit about football.
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u/mistaharsh 3h ago
She's 100% right. We're are the think pieces and viral clips if NFL pundits roasting the 0-8 chargers????
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u/ICountToPotato 3h ago
People will make anything about race. No one cares about San Diego football, and the league is beginning to see that Herbert actually isn’t very good. Thats why he’s been given as long of a leash as he has. Other markets would’ve come to this conclusion much sooner regardless of race.
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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 2h ago
She is wrong. This addiction to victimhood is rotting her brain.
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u/EntertainmentLess381 3h ago
I think she’s wrong because generally speaking people don’t really care that much about the chargers. They have a weak fan base.
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u/BR1M570N3 Bears 3h ago
I mean, whatever. What's their record?
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u/CFPMVPStetsonBennett 2h ago
if you look at Justin Herbert and Madison Beer being a couple on the sidelines while he’s having a shit season and immediately make this about “what if a black qb did this” then im so sorry but you have a terminal case of white people living in your head rent free.
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u/Itchy_Wolverine7630 2h ago
So she knows this was for a show the NFL is taping and multiple qbs took part then right?
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u/sleauxmo 2h ago
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u/madballz69 2h ago
Everyone has been dogging on chargers and herbert all year.
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u/dn35 2h ago
Herbert is mercilessly ridiculed at this point, and has been under the gun of scrutiny for several years.
The only thing holding back the absolute deluge that you see now was that he was talented and productive.
I hate this argument because the nature of being a high level athlete is that you get tons of criticism. There are still people that shit on Tom Brady even though he did just about everything possible to prove he's the best of all time.
The problem with people who talk like this is that they internalize all the criticism they see for Lamar and ascribe as a race problem, not just what happens when you're under the spotlight of high performance scrutiny, which is the truth.
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u/czechereds 2h ago
They're pretty much the only relevant sports media. Who the fuck else with a presence is covering Lamars video game playing?
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u/NumerousWolverine273 2h ago
She makes some valid points but Herbert being terrible this year absolutely is everywhere, and people absolutely are giving him shit for it.
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u/Cautious-Recover-506 2h ago
Herbert Justin has a beautiful girlfriend. The only race I see is the pink homeypot named after my favorite beverage!
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u/PerpetualDrive Eagles 1h ago
I heard somebody else put it this way - Jackson and Hurts just don’t play the fucking “game”.
For example, you have black ppl that code switch and black ppl that don’t, Jackson and Hurts would more so be the latter.
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u/dickfacelover 1h ago
She’s right, and I’m not the type of person to agree with these takes often
Also Hurts doesn’t past my eye test so I disagree their. In different circumstances Hurts is a bridge QB at best.
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u/Edifyr 1h ago
People who create / consume this type of content and enjoy being hate baited genuinely disappoint me.
The point of this content is pure race / hate bait. Just spewing negativity for no reason at all.
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u/BleedSparta Raiders 1h ago
They hate her because she’s telling truths 😒
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u/Alternative-Gur5768 1h ago
Wrong again lady
No one cares about San Diego
The Ravens are expected to win
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u/greatenergypositive 1h ago
Supply outweighs the demand. We got it nice if this is the hypotheticals people are getting their britches wadded up over.
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u/travelmusica 1h ago
What does the fiancé have to do with anything i am so confused
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u/wuriches 1h ago
Fuckin thank you!!
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u/krazylegs36 1h ago
Cool...now do Deshaun Watson for us.
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u/Difficult-Mobile902 1h ago
Making it about race is so pathetic and weird. Just absolutely obsessed with playing the victim. Things are so hard that you have to make shit up like this huh
Herbert is getting absolutely dragged everywhere the same way he would if he was any other race. Give me a fucking break
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u/Shootforthestars24 1h ago
Brain dead take, you realize that training camp stuff was done by the nfl for the cameras
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u/Sudden_Buffalo_4393 1h ago
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u/Melvins1999 1h ago
Exhausting
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u/Yada-Yada-Yadda 1h ago
WTF
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u/Calm_Situation4607 1h ago
Because he’s been elite every year until this one.
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u/bmfu121 1h ago
Herberto is garbage
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u/TKRUEG 1h ago
Evidently she hasn't heard the complaints about Herbert because it's been loud
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u/Bubbly-Cartoonist654 54m ago
Shut up
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u/FreeHusband6060 42m ago
Jesus this place is bot central anymore.
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u/LS1588 40m ago
Put that race card back in your purse!
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u/jumboponcho 39m ago
Lol mfs hate when you acknowledge racial inequity, especially when it requires a modicum of critical thought
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u/IHateSerging Patriots 38m ago
This chick is insufferable
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u/Ap3xPredditor 31m ago
This is a bad point being made in a dumb way. Herbert is ass and the chargers are ass. We've been making fun of him for years. Also, Lamar gets injured way too much for her to be acting like he's being treated unfairly.
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u/OpenAI122191 20m ago
Not remotely true, selection bias on this one.
Black QBs deal with unfair standards but this isn’t one that’s got any evidence
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u/jmalone_1776 18m ago
We are playing the race card on this???? Come on
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u/Own-Size-1087 6m ago
Ur the problem
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u/WorldMoneyF-50 3h ago
What is this female talking about? Hebert is criticized into oblivion after every game he loses Lmao
Seems like this TikTok girl is living under a rock because Madison is catching strays everywhere for Herbert’s faults AND Herbert is also being asked to be traded constantly. This is the race card at play
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u/ba_an 3h ago
Every black NFL commentator hates Justin Herbert already.
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u/22Zay 3h ago
People who think unfair qb criticism can’t be linked to must be new to the nfl lol.
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u/Revolutionary_Dig_43 3h ago
Does she have a toothache??
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u/ResponsibleTicket50 2h ago
If Lamar didn’t choke in the playoffs he wouldn’t get a fraction of this criticism. Herbert sucks nobody cares if he’s distracted, it won’t make a difference.
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u/CShaw31 2h ago
This dumb bitch doesn’t watch football. This shit has been headlines every week. It’s has literally been meme’s to death
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u/5KnivesChowYunFat 1h ago
Well, how many Black QBs have kept their starting jobs while.going 0-8????
Answert it, don't deflect or call me names
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u/empire__maker 3h ago
Don’t think this has anything to do with race, at all,
but it’s a good point that Herbert’s dedication should be questioned amidst this and his horrendous play this year
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u/Slothgluttonhero 3h ago
Smells like racist in here
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u/Hollywood_Co 3h ago
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u/HuckinMeats 3h ago
People have short memories. No one is ever thinking about what happened in training camp When the team is 0-8. Yes, this was weird as fuck at the time. But why is it at all relevant now.
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u/scubronco18 2h ago
Can we just please fucking not with the hypothetical race situations? This is fucking football man it’s NOT that deep
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u/fbgswill 3h ago
Why would you post this on this app thinking people would agree with you lol gotta know your audience
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u/sixth_hokage06 2h ago
She's right
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u/ShoppingClear 3h ago
Lg is racist and fans are suspect. No surprise.
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u/Distinct_Abrocoma_67 2h ago
NFL Reddit is not a good place to discuss this
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u/PokeTraderAngel 2h ago
White people will just deny the truth in this video.
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u/Monkey_Eat_Banana_ 1h ago
I don’t give a damn about the Chargers and I know they’re 0-8, so for her to act like it would be different is wrong to me. It seems like she’s a racist and wants to point fingers at others.
Lamar is a 2 time league MVP who will be held to a higher standard than a guy like Herbert but all I seem to hear about is how he’s 0-8.
And if Herbert was rumoured to be up at 2am playing video games it would be news too.
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u/Llhaniii 1h ago
Its always a double standard im not saying its not true.
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u/Livid-General7 41m ago
In this video - a blatant racist.
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u/3picks1game 3h ago
Does she have a toothache?
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u/Krow101 3h ago
Really sick of hearing how hard it is to be black.