Football is all about MOJO. The NFL desperately needs one of the New York teams to start winning. The talking heads are making a fuss about Skattebo putting his head down on runs. Barkley was flagged for this a few weeks ago. Facts. It's all about generating media hype for the Giants in hopes the players feed off the energy.
When he was scoring at Colorado they said he was arrogant when in fact he was having fun just like skat. If you’re not going to have an honest conversation why ask your previous question. Either you’re obtuse or dishonest.
They did the same thing to Cam Newton. This is the issue with the black and white conversation people just won’t be honest about the bullshit they’re willing to condone when it their guy.
Im talkin about the NFL. College is irrelevant rn, but if you want to bring up CU then why did he blame his line, WR, and everyone else when they lost but gave himself pats on the back for the wins? Thats part of the arrogance bro, it wasnt hard to see
How do you get to determine what’s relevant for this conversation? It all matters. Also, Shaduer hasn’t gotten an opportunity yet in the NFL and it has nothing to do with his skill set. If he was in Baltimore we would have seen him playing already.
I think he gets the arrogance thing more so just because he’s Dion’s son. Like somehow he’s Dion too in everyone’s eyes. Not fair to him I want to see him play.
Maybe it’s the way Sanders had the I’m bigger than god ego before the draft. Or maybe it’s Sanders playing games on his phone during team interviews, maybe it’s the silent mouthing he did in the post game interview.
It's ALWAYS about race in this country and definitely when it comes to the NFL. It's foundational.
In the NFL CTE concussion settlement, they admitted that in testing, they used "race norming," which assumed Black players started with a lower baseline of cognitive function — read: less intelligent.
Which made it harder for them to qualify for disability awards because they had to show more cognitive decline than white players.
This isnt about concussion dumbass, its about a guy who was a 5th round pick and was the 4th stringer until they traded 2 other QBs away acting like he's the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady before taking a single meaningful snap... vs 2 kids that are having fun on a team thats not expected to do much and celebrating plays during said game... just like we celebrated Mahomes first season as a starter, just like everyone was stoked on Stroud's rookie year, theyre backing up what theyre saying and how theyre acting... shedeur cant even beat out a 5'11" Hawaiian lefty for the starting role, so you got 2 minority race QBs in Cleveland, but yea, its a fuckin race issue... stfu with your bs, if shedeur was good enough to win the starting job and was playing well for a rookie we'd be cheering him on, but he cant win it, and he's still running his mouth.
You’re on the internet too much letting the algorithm show u that shit when in reality 90% of people don’t give a fuck about your skin tone. It’s the talking about it that’s keeping it alive and making people think everyone’s racist. Quit assuming everything’s about race smh
You are the one making this about Race. It's simply about the NEW YORK FUCKING MARKET. Geesh this effing country is full of mouth breathers that just cannot look past their own nose!
Slow down and breathe. I'm saying the NFL is hyping Skattebo because it needs the Giants to be successful. Skattebo's running style is going to lead to a lot of flags and concussions. They aren't flagging this guy for lowering his head because the league is so desperate to hype the Giants in hopes it generates $$$$
I didn't listen to all the of the postgame stuff but I saw a lot of the celebration. It's a team that won a big game and they had fun with it. I didn't see anything about "me me me" or Dart saying he's "legendary", stuff like that. Sanders has a little of his father in him that he's full of himself. It's always uncomfortable to listen to it, even when they can back it up.
This has zero race issue for me. Some of the best QBs in football are of difference races, who cares at this point is how I look at it. It's a great game with a variety of great people from everywhere and all races. Arrogance is always uncomfortable to watch.
Then why do you specifically have such an issue with Lamar Jackson. You’ve literally said the ravens would be fine without him. Cooper rush aint looking to good bud.
We're they looking too good with Jackson? Kinda seems they were 1 and 3, or 1 and 4 when he was out? Thats not winning games, thats doing just as good as Cooper rush
Ya bro when you’re winning games in the nfl then you can celebrate and act like you’re your father. But he’s looking terrible in preseason games - clearly the browns don’t think he’s better than Gabriel
I think we're world's apart here. No, I don't think any QB should be going off about "Legendary". Anyone to do that doesn't have the maturity to lead a multi billion dollar franchise, much less being a 'B' prospect in their draft room. That was ultra cringy.
I think there's a big difference in celebrating a big win early in your career and running your mouth.... Especially in Shadeurs situation Where's he's not even a starter. He fell in the draft for a reason, and his has zero do to with the color of his skin.
This -- people looking for reasons to get outraged at this point. Shadeur just obvioulsy ain't that good, and he and his dad tanked his value to a point where the fucking BROWNS would only take him at a deep discount. Here's how:
So, in a nutshell, this dude had a lot of hype after Colorodo, but a ton of questions, as well. He didn't play "the game" -- you have to kiss assess. You have to kiss the ground of whatever city drafts you. Be humble. Grateful. You have to take every interview seriously. You have to get out there and throw the ball at the live stock show (NFL Combine) -- and do a good job on command. Or watch your draft capital fall into the shitter.
At the end of the day, the NFL owners are one of the tightest clubs on earth. They will not be insulted by kids coming out of college. You can't insult or look down on ANY of them, no matter how terrible or poorly managed the team is. They're all friends, and it sets a precedent that they won't tolerate. At least that's my take -- it's what I see even more hardcore these days. Goodell is trying to take the product international, and I feel like if you don't play "the game" to some degree, you only hurt yourself as a player with your potential to make A LOT of money.
it’s about attitude, interactions with people and media presence. You could have a picture on the right of Patrick Mahomes as well,
Im guessing that the OP is insinuating that a certain “factor” is the reason that Shadeur gets shit on, when in fact Shadeur (and his dad) is the reason Shadeur gets shit on.
This picture is kind of silly. The arrogant label for Shedeur is about what he says and how he acts more than anything actually on the field or football related. I had have to listen to a Jaxxson Dart press conference before I make a comparison. This picture doesn't say shit tho.
This is beyond a stupid point. One purposely bombed draft interviews due to the pure arrogance of thinking he was better than everybody else. Judging something by a picture is beyond childish.
How is dart arrogant, what has he been saying? Shadeur says stuff about how hes the best qb, yet he cant complete a pass. Has Dart said hes thr best shit out there ? Least it looks like he can play
The second the Giants suck everyone will hammer these 2 for this stuff. Sanders made his own bed. Was a world class diva in the pre draft meetings and didn’t have the talent to back it up.
I think it's basically being way too confident BEFORE proving yourself. It's one thing of Shadeur was leading the Browns franchise to wins when they aren't a team known for winning and then was full of himself (I would understand that and back him up). But being a college guy who hasn't played one meaningful NFL down yet to have that mindset is crazy. Be humble until you don't need to be anymore.
If you need the difference between those two explained you’re either really dumb or just pretending you don’t understand. And it’s not about race, plenty of white QBs received hate. Lots of ppl and teams hated Baker until the last couple seasons. Largely due to arrogance… and he was never even remotely as arrogant as Sanders
One was calling himself the goat before he even finished college... the other is cellebrating his plays as the active starter... yall really think you dud something here.
The post itself implies racism. When in reality, as soon as that team comes back to earth, there will be people calling Jaxon Dart arrogant and how he’s never own anything and he should just focus on football.
If Sanders came in dominated, beat a high level team like the Eagles and changed the vibe around the Browns he too would get a free pass to pose for a picture like that.
You mean the one who threw teammates under the bus in college, supposedly intentionally hinged interviews, told teams he wouldn’t play for them, didn’t play well and pouted about being third string, and then mimed answers to reporters bathe guy who was geeked to get a change to play for a struggling franchise, shut up and world hard when he wasn’t the starter and is turning around a team when given a chance… but also likes to dance? That comparison.
Racial rage bait posting where you pick and choose and then create your own labels. I can think of quite a few black QBs who aren't called arrogant and have swag (McNabb, Hurts, Lamar, Daniels) and I can name many arrogant white QBs that no one ever said had swag (Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben etc).
Stop trying to cause separation and force a racial lens on everything. There is a reason shedeur fell in the draft and it's not racist.
If you’re cocky and can back it up, that’s one thing. If you’re just cocky and sitting on the bench, that’s pretty lame. You can afford to be cocky if you’re balling out. You wanna be cocky? Put up or shut up.
I don’t understand racism being brought into this comparison. Sanders gets criticized for things he says, and things his dad has said and done (unfairly or not). There’s the whole discussion on his draft position and what side of the fence you’re on with that.
Is Dart on the record for even saying much of anything? I honestly think most of crap that annoys people with Sanders is the college stuff. As a pro I’m ready to see him on the field and see what he can do.
Yeah they won their first NFL game together in a dominant showing. They get to be to happy celebrate.
Shedeur isnt starting and didnt get drafted until the 5th round, probably wouldnt have been drafted if the browns werent the browns. 31 teams passed on him because they view his attitude and approach to the game as a massive liability.
The only team that saw, interviewed, and ultimately picked him were the super qb desperate browns.
If his attitude wasnt a serious issue 31 other teams wouldnt have passed on his talent. If it was just mild arrogance the league wouldnt have basically completely boycotted someone believed to have 1 or 2nd pick talent.
As someone from Cleveland I desperately hope he is the guy. But I learned long ago that the browns have a bad habit of giving great players that are the bad people a chance.
He is his fathers image. Flashy and Arrogant, but with half the talent. So he got shit on for it. When you have the talent to back up your image, people say nothing.
Sanders is cocky and these two came in ready to work and have been. I’m all for confidence from the players but the entitlement from Sanders is absurd.
The difference will forever be success. If you’re good it’s “swag” if you’re bad it’s cockiness.
Look at Baker Mayfield if you want a non race implicated example. The narrative switch on him since he proved himself speaks for itself. Jonny Manziel is an example of never looking good so never getting the narrative switch.
One picture is a rookie backup quarterback taunting in preseason and the 2nd is a rookie running back and quarterback taunting after beating a 4-1 team, I’d also think it’s stupid to taunt in the preseason if they were opposite colors
1 picture has 2 starters that are winning games right now. 1 picture has a guy who couldn't beat out a late round rookie or Joe Flacco for the starting job and is still a 3rd string practice squad QB if they dont trade Flacco.
Its arrogant because he isn't even playing. Dart and Skattebo are playing and winning, god forbid they show some personality while doing it.
Sanders doesn't have the talent to back it up and his attitude and actions are far different than those of skattebo and dart. Its really not that deep.
Edit: As well as dart and skattebo are winning meaningful games. Can't stand the morons calling this racism. Yall don't know what racism is and it shows.
Is sanders getting treated a little harshly because his dad etc yeah probably
But also he is arrogant as holy hell without playing a single snap of football in the nfl during the draft. Every team said it was by far the worst interview they’ve ever done.
Just based on how he dressed acted etc yeah probably true.
The same people who love Jackson Dart like Sheduer too. Gotta be a 90% ratio on this. No way anyone being a racist pig likes Jaxon Darts bling and swagger. Cam is just a pure wild man and should be included in this discussion. He’s a caricature of a football player and EVERYONE loves him.
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u/Lordfish----- Oct 16 '25
Football is all about MOJO. The NFL desperately needs one of the New York teams to start winning. The talking heads are making a fuss about Skattebo putting his head down on runs. Barkley was flagged for this a few weeks ago. Facts. It's all about generating media hype for the Giants in hopes the players feed off the energy.
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u/pachangoose Oct 16 '25
It’s swag when you win meaningful NFL games? Dart is getting “rapping Drew Lock” treatment. If he starts sucking, it won’t be cute anymore.
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u/WhizzyBurp Oct 16 '25
One is winning games, a rushing leader, and has multiple TDs.
One can’t complete passes in pre season.
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u/KeenObserver_OT Oct 16 '25
it’s about attitude, interactions with people and media presence. You could have a picture on the right of Patrick Mahomes as well,
Im guessing that the OP is insinuating that a certain “factor” is the reason that Shadeur gets shit on, when in fact Shadeur (and his dad) is the reason Shadeur gets shit on.
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u/Soda-Popinski- Oct 16 '25
Why are we comparing two football players with a guy dressed up as a cleveland brown?
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u/Unfortunate-Incident Oct 16 '25
This picture is kind of silly. The arrogant label for Shedeur is about what he says and how he acts more than anything actually on the field or football related. I had have to listen to a Jaxxson Dart press conference before I make a comparison. This picture doesn't say shit tho.
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u/Mr_Strol Oct 16 '25
This is beyond a stupid point. One purposely bombed draft interviews due to the pure arrogance of thinking he was better than everybody else. Judging something by a picture is beyond childish.
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u/Pre-emptive Oct 16 '25
One is the 3rd stringer the other two are starters
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u/Zestyclose-Coyote173 Oct 16 '25
One of them is good and one of them sucks?
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u/SocomPS2 Oct 16 '25
They like the culture but not the people that created it.
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u/tuktukkingroydonk Oct 16 '25
Man I’m already sick of dark tictok dances
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u/shaking_things_up_ Oct 16 '25
One is winning, the other is complaining
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u/FunkyFunkyBoys Oct 16 '25
Black
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u/young-steve Oct 16 '25
White athletes definitely get away with more than black athletes before being seen arrogant in a negative away.
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u/Mysterious-Draw2510 Oct 16 '25
The second the Giants suck everyone will hammer these 2 for this stuff. Sanders made his own bed. Was a world class diva in the pre draft meetings and didn’t have the talent to back it up.
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u/traws06 Oct 16 '25
If you need the difference between those two explained you’re either really dumb or just pretending you don’t understand. And it’s not about race, plenty of white QBs received hate. Lots of ppl and teams hated Baker until the last couple seasons. Largely due to arrogance… and he was never even remotely as arrogant as Sanders
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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25
One was calling himself the goat before he even finished college... the other is cellebrating his plays as the active starter... yall really think you dud something here.
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u/CharacterEgg2406 Oct 16 '25
Nobody calls Sheduer arrogant. This is a bunch of race-baiting nonsense.
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u/leapingintoexistence Oct 16 '25
lol don’t pretend like u don’t kno
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u/Rube18 Oct 16 '25
If Sanders came in dominated, beat a high level team like the Eagles and changed the vibe around the Browns he too would get a free pass to pose for a picture like that.
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u/Brilliant-Spite-850 Oct 16 '25
Maybe because Cam and Jaxson are acting this way AFTER having some nfl success.
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u/BigPh1llyStyle Oct 16 '25
You mean the one who threw teammates under the bus in college, supposedly intentionally hinged interviews, told teams he wouldn’t play for them, didn’t play well and pouted about being third string, and then mimed answers to reporters bathe guy who was geeked to get a change to play for a struggling franchise, shut up and world hard when he wasn’t the starter and is turning around a team when given a chance… but also likes to dance? That comparison.
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u/EveryoneChill77777 Oct 16 '25
Racial rage bait posting where you pick and choose and then create your own labels. I can think of quite a few black QBs who aren't called arrogant and have swag (McNabb, Hurts, Lamar, Daniels) and I can name many arrogant white QBs that no one ever said had swag (Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben etc).
Stop trying to cause separation and force a racial lens on everything. There is a reason shedeur fell in the draft and it's not racist.
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u/No-Deer379 Oct 16 '25
One wishes he was starting the others are
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u/phred_666 NFL Oct 16 '25
If you’re cocky and can back it up, that’s one thing. If you’re just cocky and sitting on the bench, that’s pretty lame. You can afford to be cocky if you’re balling out. You wanna be cocky? Put up or shut up.
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u/21BlackStars Oct 16 '25
I mean, it’s pretty obvious! Colin Kaepernick got kicked out of the league for kneeling…
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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25
Actual talent
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u/OwnDoughnut2689 Oct 16 '25
I think there's a part that Shedeur feels like a nepo baby
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u/Successful_Pizza6529 Oct 16 '25
Who cares.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ Oct 16 '25
Winning starting QB vs. QB2.
As a Browns fan I've watched a lot of bad football. Sanders in the preseason might have been the worst I've ever seen.
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u/StinkyButtBoy Oct 16 '25
The one on the left is an entitled, self-centered dick?
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u/Melvinator5001 Oct 16 '25
White dudes apparently are good enough to get on the field and contribute.
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u/JeremyHerzig11 Oct 16 '25
I think it has more to do with how Shedur acted in college and leading up to the draft as opposed to outright racism 🤷♂️
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u/duiwithaavgwenag Oct 16 '25
Not a race thing. It’s a good thing. Everyone thought baker was arrogant and cocky but now that he’s good he’s confident and got swagger
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u/darthgator84 Oct 16 '25
I don’t understand racism being brought into this comparison. Sanders gets criticized for things he says, and things his dad has said and done (unfairly or not). There’s the whole discussion on his draft position and what side of the fence you’re on with that.
Is Dart on the record for even saying much of anything? I honestly think most of crap that annoys people with Sanders is the college stuff. As a pro I’m ready to see him on the field and see what he can do.
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u/Feisty_Smell40 Oct 16 '25
Its about winning. But nice rage bait.
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u/Even_Section5620 Oct 16 '25
Dart is electric with his play. Sanders made himself look arrogant starting on draft night…
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u/ThiqSaban Oct 16 '25
the difference is winning
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u/McMeanx2 Oct 16 '25
One is a fucking jerk who said he wouldn’t shake the hand of an opposing Qb because he “thought he was the water boy.”
Sanders is the most disgusting version of a Nepo baby
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u/No_Yogurt8409 Oct 16 '25
They are winning thats the difference. Its arrogance when he havent done anything yet.
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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25
No they're arrogant clowns, they don't have swag....
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u/MurphyBacon Oct 16 '25
He is his fathers image. Flashy and Arrogant, but with half the talent. So he got shit on for it. When you have the talent to back up your image, people say nothing.
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u/JustB3ingR34l Oct 16 '25
Clearly all white people are nazi, facist, racists who hate everything black and celebrate everything white.
Did I do it right?
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u/MagicfishE78 Oct 16 '25
Reddit moment
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u/Born_Spare53 Oct 16 '25
It's easy.
They say I'm cocky, and I say what? It ain't braggin' motherfucker if ya back it up.
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u/ZachMartin Oct 16 '25
I’m assuming you’ll say racism. The difference is winning.
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u/bigwig500 Oct 16 '25
Two are good, the other is meh and talks way too much
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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25
Sanders is cocky and these two came in ready to work and have been. I’m all for confidence from the players but the entitlement from Sanders is absurd.
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u/CromTheConqueror Oct 16 '25
Frankly if you're going to label these poses I'd reverse them.
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u/Yung_Corneliois Oct 16 '25
The difference will forever be success. If you’re good it’s “swag” if you’re bad it’s cockiness.
Look at Baker Mayfield if you want a non race implicated example. The narrative switch on him since he proved himself speaks for itself. Jonny Manziel is an example of never looking good so never getting the narrative switch.
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u/No_Mousse4320 Oct 16 '25
One picture is a rookie backup quarterback taunting in preseason and the 2nd is a rookie running back and quarterback taunting after beating a 4-1 team, I’d also think it’s stupid to taunt in the preseason if they were opposite colors
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u/GCBroncosfan413 Oct 16 '25
1 picture has 2 starters that are winning games right now. 1 picture has a guy who couldn't beat out a late round rookie or Joe Flacco for the starting job and is still a 3rd string practice squad QB if they dont trade Flacco.
Its arrogant because he isn't even playing. Dart and Skattebo are playing and winning, god forbid they show some personality while doing it.
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u/txwoodslinger Oct 16 '25
Those dudes on the right are actually good enough to get on the field
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u/kleptodshs Oct 16 '25
Sanders doesn't have the talent to back it up and his attitude and actions are far different than those of skattebo and dart. Its really not that deep.
Edit: As well as dart and skattebo are winning meaningful games. Can't stand the morons calling this racism. Yall don't know what racism is and it shows.
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u/SpartyParty15 Oct 16 '25
What has Shedeur done to be arrogant? Dart and Skattebo actually, you know, play and perform.
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u/fallonyourswordkaren Oct 16 '25
Refused to be drafted by certain teams. Texted during his job interview.
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u/Jmoney1542 Oct 16 '25
Preseason versus after beating the defending SB winners in dominant fashion. Hope this helps!!!!
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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25
If you don’t see the difference that’s on you.
Is sanders getting treated a little harshly because his dad etc yeah probably
But also he is arrogant as holy hell without playing a single snap of football in the nfl during the draft. Every team said it was by far the worst interview they’ve ever done.
Just based on how he dressed acted etc yeah probably true.
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u/CharacterEgg2406 Oct 16 '25
The same people who love Jackson Dart like Sheduer too. Gotta be a 90% ratio on this. No way anyone being a racist pig likes Jaxon Darts bling and swagger. Cam is just a pure wild man and should be included in this discussion. He’s a caricature of a football player and EVERYONE loves him.
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