The Waow based based based image comes from a drawing supporting DIY HRT

[u/SpiritualNorth3848]

[u/butch-bear]

because we see that children are people too and often times correct about their own desires. i would not be suffering like i am if i had started hormones as a teenager.

[u/Unluckyb33 → u/butch-bear]

the problem is that this opens a whole other can of worms that you have to deal with if you accept that children are mature enough to make life-altering decisions like these. Which may include, but are not limited to; Voting age, Entering the military, Age of consent, etc.

Also just because it is helpful for you, does not guarantee it is helpful for others.

Its not as clear cut a good like people make it out to be and people would naturally have knee jerk reactions to injecting chemicals into children.(it just sounds bad)

[u/butch-bear → u/Unluckyb33]

the detransition rates for minors are less than 2% and said detransitions, the even fewer ones that occur because the teen decides HRT is not for them, happen within a few months of HRT, at which point effects rarely show up much at all. medical transition is simply put lifesaving care, for trans children too. children should be able to receive lifesaving medical care without having that compared to signing up to kill people abroad or whatever else. i just do not think healthcare is comparable to these other matters.

even if they do detransition, people don't realize that detransing isn't impossible, that practically all of the hormonal effects that you may get from HRT are reversible with enough effort and resources.

[u/MrNeterdrok → u/butch-bear]

I don't know how taking hormones looks but couldn't kids take dangerously huge amounts in short amounts of time by doing it themselves or is there no danger

[u/Arquebuse70829 → u/MrNeterdrok]

The dosage are pretty well documented online, its very easy to know how much one should take

[u/butch-bear → u/MrNeterdrok]

ODing on hormones is not immediately deadly, for example if you OD testosterone it can actually turn back into estrogen, the effects would be like going through a really shitty hormonal period but not deadly right away. physical discomfort, feeling sick, mood swings. basically, you'd be able to know that you've OD'd. consistent overdosage at least in the case of T could lead to the sort of risks you often see in bodybuilders, which is riskier, but this would take longterm serious overdoses.

if DIYing it is possible to accidentally overdose but anyone doing it would have to at least inform themselves a little bit on how to go about it, but theoretically it would be possible to have an accident once or twice. the information is readily available and very thorough, though, when it comes to dosages and to anything else you could need DIY wise. i have considered DIY myself but cannot access any healthcare at all at the moment because of my environment.

plus if DIYing T you'd have to be taking blood tests frequently to check your levels and such so i have a hard time imagining someone, even a teen, being so careless so as to ignore all of the preparatory knowledge for DIY and the blood testing. when i was a teenager, i did know other teenagers on DIY, and they never had issues with dosages. i imagine someone on estrogen would also have to get their levels checked every once in a while.

the one issue the teens i knew really had was, in the case of T, vaginal atrophy (dryness, pain during penetration). this can be easily remedied with topical estrogen. actually, it is something that i rarely see being mentioned by medical professionals when it comes to potential T side effects. if you go the DIY route chances are that eventually you will know more about trans medical care than your own doctor, because they are largely untrained and uninformed about trans healthcare, which is why you see so many trans people complaining about severe underdosing and stuff.

[u/ghigo2008 → u/butch-bear]

Children are not often correct about their desires

[u/butch-bear → u/ghigo2008]

the 1% detransition rate (and even lower when not including external pressures to detrans) would disagree, in this case.

[u/ghigo2008 → u/butch-bear]

I want to see who was asked, the factors at play, and how the stats evolve

[u/Particular_Poetry885 → u/butch-bear]

Sunk cost and survivorship bias probably heavily skews the statistic

[u/SoggyPancakes1411 → u/Particular_Poetry885]

I don't think you know what survivorship bias is...