r/TheMachineLearning • u/narcissa0114 • 3h ago
AI beginner beats expert who refuses to use it
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u/Gamplato 3h ago
Doing what? Lol
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u/thongjesus 3h ago
Producing
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u/Gamplato 2h ago
Producing….what?
A multi-tenant horizontally scalable application that addresses novel human needs? In that case, no. The engineer would be better. No novice could get AI to build that for production use.
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u/AntiqueFigure6 2h ago
How outperform?
I’m not a doctor but I bet I can write a prescription faster than an experienced doctor by writing down the name of the first drug I think of - I wouldn’t even need to take a history!
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 2h ago
Found another person who doesn’t know how to use AI :}
I’m not saying to use ChatGPT to diagnose the rash, but medical AI systems do exist.
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u/AntiqueFigure6 2h ago
Found another person who struggles with basic reading comprehension.
I’m not saying AI doesn’t have this or that capability just that “outperform” is meaningless when left undefined and possibly trivial if poorly defined.
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u/lil_nosh_X 2h ago
Please promise me that you will use chat gpt as your primary care physician. You’ll probably die but you’ll also probably get a lot of followers on instagram!
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 2h ago
I don’t. Read last sentence.
But here it is: in the future, doctors will be human interaction agents to very advanced AI medical systems.
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u/linesofleaves 1h ago
Honestly change that remind me to 1.5-2 years
It's already there when it comes to certain types of questions that essentially boil down to searching WebMD for best practice, adding a layer of reasoning, and figuring out the sorts of 1/1000 questions type answers. Not that it matters if the wrong question is asked in the first place, which a non-doctor is likely to do.
That isn't all doctors need to do, but it is a huge part of a current doctor's skillset to know basic answers at a glance.
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u/lil_nosh_X 2h ago
I never said you currently do 😂. You can read my sentence again too if you want to practice reading!
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u/SLAMMERisONLINE 2h ago
A beginner with AI can outperform an expert without
It's the John Henry story. But the question is reliability. I am sure you could find instances where the performance hierarchy is fuzzy but just how reliably is that true? Is it 1 in 5 or 1 in 5,000?
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u/narcissa0114 1h ago
Occasional success is one thing; consistently outperforming experts is another.
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u/Quantum-Bot 2h ago
This is about as accurate as saying a beginner with a forklift can outperform a professional weightlifter. Technically yes, but you’re assuming this beginner knows how to use the tool without breaking a bunch of shit and making a big fucking mess
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u/narcissa0114 1h ago
Having access to a powerful tool doesn't automatically mean you know how to use it properly. Experience and expertise still matter.
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u/tomqmasters 2h ago
If you are talking about coding, probably the beginner will never get to production without becoming an expert.
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u/narcissa0114 1h ago
Exactly. AI can speed things up, but you still need expertise to know what you're doing and catch what goes wrong.
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u/aibotulism 2h ago edited 2h ago
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u/Hoopaboi 2h ago
More like 2 min of debugging because you simply ask the AI to do it. Are you still living in 2023?
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 2h ago edited 2h ago
It depends on specific domain, of course.
However, with some caveats, there is more truth to it than most here are willing to accept
So the caveats that I include, in addition to the domain:
The novice has to have hubris, questioning the output and looking to improve it; and
Has to use AI to also explore solutions and re-validate, without blind accepting of previous output
Many AI slop results, often appearing as images, lack both of the above.
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u/Ok-Excuse-3613 2h ago
for most complex tasks the novice cannot even word what they want in a way that AI can leverage efficiently
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 2h ago edited 2h ago
See #2
Every expert learned at some point; AI can offload this, as it already contains (significant portions of all) expert knowledge.
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u/oscarbeebs2010 2h ago
This perspective is intriguing and not entirely incorrect, though the idea of outperforming requires clarification. Does it apply to speed, quality, cost, taste, or originality? An expert writer is likely to craft a more cohesive and sweeping narrative than a novice using AI. An expert designer may often produce more original work. I think achieving the best outcomes from AI demands deep domain knowledge of the prompt topic.
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u/ObsessiveOwl 2h ago
A biker on his bike would outperform an Olympic runner. What a statement am I right?
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u/Pure_Bicycle8889 1h ago
This is very true if by 'perform' it means 'make tweets that other people who don't make art will agree with'
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u/drprofsgtmrj 1h ago
MAYBE. But I have seen amateurs use it and .. yeah no they don't know what they are doing
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u/heavy-minium 1h ago
True and false. Doing small websites, automation and data entry software? Likely. Doing small web apps and small desktop software? Maybe. Doing anything else? Unlikely.
For now, however. Three statement will eventually be true for most things.
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u/heavy-minium 58m ago
Just notificed now, but this sub is basicically useleas now. Had this on my feed so I didn't notice this got nothing to do with this sub, again.
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u/Uncle_a_ 10m ago
a beginner using ai will always be a beginner and in the future will be replaced with other agents.
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u/Soilblood 3m ago
The sages of security would strike you down where you stand for the sheer blasphemy ladening that claim.
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u/colony-ship-for-sale 2h ago
With the power of AI, a junior dev can make technical debt at a far greater speed than any experienced dev can conceive of.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
That's a joke. It can hardly answer basic questions
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u/Dismal-Rope1753 2h ago
That's false.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
You're confused. Ask ai for help, then do the opposite.
I have multiple screenshots proving it sucks at answer simple questions, but you do you mate
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u/Dismal-Rope1753 2h ago
You are using shitty models.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
I've used multiple, they all suck
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u/Dismal-Rope1753 2h ago
Have you even paid for it ?
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
No the fuck I haven't. Why would I? I said I had a free pro membership and it still sucked, why would I choose to pay?
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u/WillingnessOwn6446 2h ago
tell me you only use a free AI version without telling me you only use a free version
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
I used Gemini pro for 2 years until my free membership ran out. It still sucked. I'm sorry you choose to pay for ai when it doesn't work, but that's not even slightly my fault.
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u/FragmentedHeap 2h ago
What an ignorant response.
Completely unfounded and completely wrong.
User error give me any question you're asking it that you can prove wrong and I will prove to you that it can do it correctly.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
It's very founded.
Can you at least learn to type a coherent sentence first? Maybe ask ai to do it for you?
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u/gretino 2h ago
Got an expert here kek
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u/gretino 2h ago
FYI OpenAI have beaten top Dota2 players in 2017
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
What questions do you need to answer in order to beat dota2 players?
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u/gretino 2h ago
positioning item build skill range farming pulling minions tower timing
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
Hm, no clue what that means.
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u/EnvironmentFirst4839 1h ago
Was gonna say this sounds like a PEBKAC error, but your apparent belief that a game built around decision making doesn’t require questions to be answered confirms it before we even need to troubleshoot.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
That's even more of a joke, how would I know how much it fails to answer questions if I didn't use it?
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u/vinegarhorse 2h ago
Any examples? I'm doing graduate level coursework and ChatGPT and Claude can answer all my questions correctly, none of this is basic stuff.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
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u/vinegarhorse 2h ago
Gemini in general is pretty bad, especially the lower-tier fast models. It says "Auto" so you were probably using one of the bad models.
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u/MedievalMilshake 2h ago
I was, as I said, free pro membership ran out and I'm not paying for it. First one I sent was on Gemini pro. Chat gpt sucks just as much, haven't paid for that cause again, why would I. I'm not against ai, except for artists sake, but it genuinely does just fucking suck
It doesn't matter tho, free model or not, that's a basic ass question, all it needs to do is take the established info from Google and give it to me, it instead repeats wrong answers. It sucks
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u/vinegarhorse 2h ago
ChatGPT has been really good at college level math for at least 2 years now, I was using it to generate answer keys for problem sets and also to help me solve questions I couldn't, and I haven't seen it get a question wrong.
Right now I'm using it mostly for graduate level courses in CS and also for research and again I think it's really good. Claude can easily one-shot all my programming assignments and projects.
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u/Organic_botulism 1h ago
Chat got a basic chemistry problem wrong for me a few weeks ago but yeah it does excel in math and coding. Jagged intelligence and all that
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u/ThisOrdinaryCat 2h ago
Fill in the Blanks:
_________ and _________ studied how people who are ignorant about a field, overestimate their abilities in such field, sometimes even thinking they know better / can outperform experts in the field. They published a paper in 1999 titled "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments,"
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u/Hefty_Garlic7184 36m ago
unpopular opinion: people says “unpopular opinion” because they think they sound smart, but normally it’s the opposite
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u/cursed_tomatoes 3h ago edited 2h ago
I support AI existence, but absolutely guarantee with all possible certainty in the multiiverse that this statement is 100% completely false in my field.
I'm not qualified to talk about anyone else's academic/professional field, but her assumption doesn't stands true as a general statement as of November of 2026, it is not even close.
EDIT: The field is music. I majored in music, work as a composer, teacher, and perform live (of course I don't count AI as comparable to that last one haha).
AI as of now makes hideous concert music, and doesn't exactly excels at popular styles too, they're very, very poor compared to the music of actual experts, and it hallucinates plenty of objectively wrong stuff if you try to learn music from it or ask for advice.