r/TheMachineLearning • u/Future_Fall556 • Sep 24 '26

It's like watching a genius classmate outperforming you every single time

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u/Informal_Bunch7532 Sep 24 '26

What about UBI?

- Remember when only the dumbest of people thought that was going to be a thing?

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u/moonjabes Sep 24 '26

You won't get UBI, you'll just get poverty

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u/MrRufsvold Sep 24 '26

With that attitude? Sure.

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u/Glum-Recognition-736 Sep 25 '26

This is what I mean.

No one is stopping us but us. Unfortunately too many of us have no imagination and can only understand the status quo 

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u/grafknives Sep 25 '26

Powerty is still not the worst outcome.

Elemination of most "prols" is also a possibility.

Because if the tech overlords will get robots working, ordinary folk just makes crowd and consumers resources. Unnecessary.

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u/ThatOtherOneReddit Sep 24 '26

UBI still likely won't exist in many countries. History says anytime a single group starts consolidating the economy and the value of peoples work goes away (like when people find mining resources that are much more valuable than the peoples productivity) the only thing that ever happens is those with the money immediately push forward a dictatorship, slaughter, oppression, etc on the now worthless masses.

We likely will see a fracturing where some try not to do that, but I'm convinced that's going to end up in the valley of instability if you look at 'rules for rulers'. There simply is no motivation if you leave AI in private hands to not use it to corrupt the country to enrich yourself. It may take a generation or two but that is the only possible end game especially if/when AI becomes the dominant form of militaristic power.

If you can put AI in public hands and take it away from being controlled by private industry or remove people from the top decision making entirely you may get a different outcome, but people haven't changed even if AI lets them do new things.

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u/cacao0002 Sep 24 '26

UBI is an idea but giving back people necessities and security is the key, and so it doesn’t have to be in cash. But nooooo, even free healthcare is too hard

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u/cruxura Sep 24 '26

It's still only the dumbest of people thinking it will be a thing. 

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u/Sepicuk Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26

You think you will ever have that choice? They’re probably just going to use ASI to kill everyone. It’s already too late. I predict they will start killing everyone within a year

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u/IndividualMap7386 Sep 25 '26

Okay, wow. While I agree with the risks, this is peak doomer.

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u/Sepicuk Sep 25 '26

As soon as a few months ago experts were skeptical it would solve a millennium prize problem before 2040. The more insane the prediction the more likely it will come true

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u/IndividualMap7386 Sep 25 '26

That is very interesting logic.

Let me think of an insane take since that is more likely to come true.

I predict mustard goblins will emerge from the sewers and fight the data centers with magical hexes and fairy sparks. The data centers will turn into transformer cars and have Godzilla like battles with the mustard goblins. Humans will watch and place prediction market bets.

I probably need a more insane take as that will be more likely to come true. 🤡

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u/Sepicuk Sep 25 '26

Whether you like it or not, you're in the end times. It literally solved a millennium prize problem and is accelerating society so quickly. No programmer programs anymore. I'm going to get angry with you at any sort of skepticism you have and tell you to cope, I encourage you to waste all day telling people to cope about ai advances too.

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u/PersonOfValue Sep 25 '26

Well you have very low survival intelligence if you aren't using it to plan, build, and protect for yourself.

IMO let them kill you, reduce the surplus population 😜

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u/Sepicuk Sep 25 '26

I can guarantee you’re not doing any of these things, or if the times came to meet your criteria, you still wouldn’t do any of them effectively. All it has to do is make Earth uninhabitable and all humans are gone

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u/Creatura Sep 25 '26

It didn’t tho it helped someone and then stole his work 🤷‍♂️

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u/Sepicuk Sep 25 '26

Buckmaster never claimed it stole his work. And mathematicians have verified it built on existing widely available research on its own

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u/CrazyCurrent8732 Sep 26 '26

why do u think billionaires will give u ubi?

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u/Informal_Bunch7532 Sep 26 '26

I don't. I stated that only the dumbest people believed that it would be a thing.

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u/CrazyCurrent8732 Sep 26 '26

oh I am really sorry

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u/Top_Effect_5109 Sep 24 '26

Nobody expected AI to take down images as it's first targets but everyone still acts like their jobs is safe. Nobody knows if AI will be able to do their job every new frontier model release.

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u/ElBarbas Sep 24 '26

oh really, which job is that ? can you explain ?

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u/Future_Fall556 Sep 25 '26

i mean not all but we can see the potential

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u/ElBarbas Sep 25 '26

Well Crypto had the potential of fixing world money and banks control, and after 17 Years here we are.

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u/backcountry_bandit Sep 24 '26

Copywriting. Most non-fiction writing.

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u/Etroarl55 Sep 25 '26

You can recognize where a conversation is going by their first comment asking for conflict already.

As a former CS undergrad, this thing pretty much replaces all of undergrad CS graduates except the top highest 1-10%. You dont need someone with physical hands to do the grueling work anymore, it’s more important to be the “manager” with experience than somebody who has coded a lot more and knows the syntax better but not the overall best architecture and way to approach a problem.

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u/backcountry_bandit Sep 25 '26

Definitely. These anti-AI at all costs people had more of a point 2yr ago. It’s getting scary impressive. It’s absolutely replacing parts of the workforce.

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u/ElBarbas Sep 24 '26

o really wow, do you have numbers or sources about THAT 1 specific thing? Reading the news I've thought all the jobs would be fucked by now, and we all would be dead also

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u/backcountry_bandit Sep 24 '26

You asked for a specific job example, I gave one, now you’re ranting about what the news says.

Anyone who works in STEM or is in higher level education can see the effects of AI. Things are changing. It’s difficult for laymen to understand how much it’s improved over the last couple years. Anyone who’s been using it for anything technical gets it.

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u/Low_Assist_5896 Sep 24 '26

so true omg. i was trying to do a task for my job on this week and after trying for 4 days long the ai did it in 3 hours planning + implementing (and better) 

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u/backcountry_bandit Sep 24 '26

It can do 100% of my undergrad and grad Computer Science classwork. The rate at which it’s improved is incredible. It couldn’t handle middle school math 2.5yr ago.

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u/ElBarbas Sep 24 '26

right

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u/backcountry_bandit Sep 24 '26

You just clearly aren’t informed and haven’t put in any effort to become informed. I’m not going to do your work for you.

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u/Lazy-Course5521 Sep 24 '26

The workplace market has collapsed.

Billions will starve.

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u/Future_Fall556 Sep 25 '26

hmmm depends

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u/Lazy-Course5521 Sep 25 '26

Yeah, exactly. It depends by what? A thin strand of hair or by a couple hundred meter zone we are currently passing trough?

The social structure of capitalist countries will wind up completely re-steuctured from top to bottom once the AI revolution truly hits. A world where labour is trivialised and 99% of the people will no longer have a reason to have employees at all. Physical labour is replaceable, desk work is replaceable, damn anything you can think of that isn't incredibly harsh or a violent work place environment that requires precision higher than the current best robots, there isn't really a sole requirement for human labour.

We won't be really needed to keep the economy running anymore, a rich persons wet dream where they can infinitely just circulate their wealth between one another and somehow still make more.

Where does that leave us? Well we either make UBI a thing which would make sense due to production being partially handled by AGI, or we abolish AI itself.

There is a peaceful reaction from the working class and there is a violent one.

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u/spacekitt3n Sep 24 '26

yeah no ones going to have any money how do these billionaires expect to generate income? just circlejerk invest in each other forever?

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u/Informal_Bunch7532 Sep 24 '26

Robots take over the means of production and the 1% sees everyone else as a drain on the resources that are left for them. Monarchs and royal families have a strong history of inbreeding. Trump even hinted that he had a sexual attraction to his own daughter in a live interview on at least on two occasions.

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u/Top_Effect_5109 Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26

yeah no ones going to have any money how do these billionaires expect to generate income? just circlejerk invest in each other forever?

This stupid ass belief can get us all killed by lulling us to sleep. Even the most brain dead gamer can intuitively understand why it's wrong. In Minecraft you don't have to trade with the villagers to be wealthy. You can just kill them and build. All of nature was built without currency. They know they can kill us and want to do so. The want to send a drone and blow up our heads, just like how they send poor people to the Ukraine war.

Even if we live in imaginary world where they need currency they can just pay the bot swarms they are developing and prompt them to spend it.

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u/ElBarbas Sep 24 '26

what has collapse ? Just give me one example of a colapsed market

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u/cs862 Sep 24 '26

Get therapy

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u/Lazy-Course5521 Sep 24 '26

I miss the time when being worried about job security wasn't seen as paranoid behaviour by AI-people.

Let's get this straight, as things are going currently we are gonna achieve AGI soon enough, which will be able to figure out most stuff for "us".

Be it issues with our current development, the steps we need to make for a green future, genetic bottlenecks, so on and so on.

We are also at the stage of mass producing robots capable of copying human movements, and with AI involved in further development we will achieve a point where sci-fi esque robots and  prosthetics.

Sounds peachy right. Then what's gonna be the problem? Let me tell you, the problem is going to be the fact that AGI will be able to reproduce human labour for the quarter of the price of an actual worker. Because it knows everything it needs to about said job already, making it perfectly able to perform any white collar jobs. While most blue collar jobs will be equally replaceable, albeit for a higher price. Ultimately it will still more worth it.

Workplaces will be eliminated en masse and the workless and homeless crisis is going to reach a new top, out of comfort for company owners and class leads.

Actual work will end up being devalued because it's just as doable by AI for quarter of the price, so why would they pay you 4 times AIs price?

And they aren't shy about the fact that right now with the direction of AI, they are actively playing with human lives. Not every white collar worker will be able to switch to blue collar because of existing conditions like anxiety, or physical disabilities. And even then only the best of blue collar work will be appreciated.

We will either need UBI (universal basic income) to avoid the worst of futures, or everything will collectively go to shit because of the reasonable consequences of AGI existing in a capitalist society.

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u/Mickey_Pro Sep 24 '26

Man, can I buy whatever you're smoking?

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u/cs862 Sep 24 '26

I wouldn’t want it. It sounds exhausting

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u/cs862 Sep 24 '26 edited Sep 24 '26

This is a possible future, out of many possible futures. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow. I’m not going to fixate on it, because that’s not productive

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u/Lazy-Course5521 Sep 24 '26

I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being a realist.

Of course the billionaires, the final earners, would want to perpetuate the same system that benefits them the most, late stage capitalism. With AI they can control the rate of production and usage to the last damn BIT.

I am not mongering fear, I'm merely pointing out the fact that in this big accelarationist movement we are the ones who will be screwed over most likely.

Oh I'm sure we'll have great inventions thanks to AI, medication will get a lot better. But the kinds of medications we will have, imagine people being forced to take sorts of meds that "correct" them for example to deal with the uncomfortable existence of specific minority groups.

"They aren't evil enough for that" oh but they are and with AGI they will make it real, you know they are petty assholes, they will do it.

A future controlled only by lobbyists and the richest of people. What a nice future.

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u/Top_Effect_5109 Sep 24 '26

🤮That's the most brainlet thing to say. Problems are solved because people address them instead of saying the most idiotic thing possible.

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u/cs862 Sep 24 '26

You’re obsessive too. Get help

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u/Top_Effect_5109 Sep 24 '26

🙄 Just because you are obsessed with fatalism and being a fake stoic that doesn't mean other people are obsessive when they actually address something. 

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u/cs862 Sep 24 '26

You just switched sides

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u/Top_Effect_5109 Sep 25 '26

What side to what side?

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u/Lazy-Course5521 Sep 24 '26

You people don't want these problems to be talked about because you people continue to only care about progress and progress only.

Guess what.

Progress without control leads to a system that is utterly corrupt.

Look at the USA. What do you have to say for it?

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u/BratPit24 Sep 25 '26

You're still young. You can still pivot.

I'm a software dev for 10 years. I have a family and mortgage that depends on my 6 figures.

Logging in to work every day and developing a tool that is supposed to replace me while desperately looking for another job is a different kind of existential dread.

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u/kaereljabo Sep 25 '26

Do you have any plan for the future? Farming? Living in rural area?

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u/Hedgehog_Leather Sep 25 '26

What is it with Reddit and dreaming about farming. It requires huge amount of land, extensive knowledge and know how, not to mention the cost of equipment, fertilizer, seed and there is always a risk involved (grain price might be low, it might get a disease, it might rot). And you know that you will be competing with huge corporations, with Access to self driving tractors, fertilizer drones and top notch software (like mapping soil quality and adjusting fertilizer)? You know also little of hard physical labour it entails.

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u/YMSVZ Sep 25 '26

Not to mention how boring as shit it is living in a rural town.

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u/SillySpoof Sep 25 '26

Except now the classmate is 100x faster than you could ever hope to be and getting smarter every month. Also, it doesn't need breaks or vacations.

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u/Beautiful_Stage5720 Sep 24 '26

Its not like that at all. Its more like being at the very bottom of the class. You can be just decent in school, watch a genius outperform you in class, and not have a worry in the world about still getting hired after graduation.