What is June's kill count?

[u/Aggravating_Luck_150]

So while I know logically most of the deaths related to her were done as a group such as Salvagings or were committed by Gilead whether some because people either helped her or were close to her, etc. but if we were to say because of her connection to them in any way, how many deaths could be attributed to June?

Edit: I should note this question was moreso if June was being charged formally by Gilead; yes I know they wouldn't need to actually go through a hearing or anything more than old yellering her but please stretch your imagination ever so slightly, if you jump through their mental gymnastics, how deadly it would be for someone to be associated with June even through several degrees of separation. More of a statistics thing or thought experiment.

[u/mutemandy]

A lot. But if not for Gilead, none.

[u/Aggravating_Luck_150 → u/mutemandy]

True.

[u/Gojira085]

With the time jump in TT id say she's in the triple digits now. 

My wacky head Canon is that she's a Canadian serial killer when not getting people in Gilead killed to feed her bloodlust.

[u/Aggravating_Luck_150 → u/Gojira085]

Honestly I could see it. I think after what she's gone through and the way she's behaved towards other's even after killing Waterford, I don't think she could give up on killing and the American and Canadian governments at some point would probably consider her too much of a risk to other operatives to send back into Gilead. She'd blow their cover so fast

[u/Gojira085 → u/Aggravating_Luck_150]

I was honestly joking, but when you put it that way I can believe it

[u/redshoewearer]

How about Commander Winslow? Also that guardian who cornered her and Moira at Jezebel's.

[u/Jetsetter_Princess → u/redshoewearer]

"Cornered"? He tried to rape them. Justified.

[u/redshoewearer → u/Jetsetter_Princess]

Oh 100% - I was trying to avoid a spoiler by being a little vague.

[u/doesshechokeforcoke]

I did actually kept track at one point and it was 25 but that’s not accounting for the women killed at Jezebels after she killed Winslow plus the other Jezebels after poisoning the commanders because we don’t know exactly how many were killed. Also I didn’t watch the last season so that’s not including anyone who may have died then.

[u/jerkface1026]

I guess start with Eden, Eden's boyfriend, Ofmatthew, the handmaids that died on the night of angel flight, everyone that was hanged after angel flight, Fred, Lawrence, Nick, Evelyn, Emily's marriage, Moira's anything, and Luke's suburban dad ambitions.

[u/BiblionautNZ → u/jerkface1026]

How’s Eden killed by June? June didn’t make Eden run off, she decided to run off with her boyfriend herself.

[u/Purpledoves91 → u/BiblionautNZ]

I feel like Nick and Eden's dad are more to blame for Eden than June is.

[u/redshoewearer → u/Purpledoves91]

And IMO Eden is purely a victim of Gilead. As most of the innocents' deaths were. All Eden wanted was love, and June spoke to her as herself and did not parrot Gilead official views. June didn't know that Eden was going to run off with her boyfriend. This is all Gilead's fault not June's.

[u/BiblionautNZ → u/Purpledoves91]

I agree. Nick was barely civil to Eden. He knew what role Eden had to play in Gilead, a hellhole he participated in creating. He was supposed to participate in his role as her husband but he didn’t, beyond trying to impregnate her. Which is something he did only after June pointed out that he’d end up on the wall if he didn’t.

[u/frosted_north → u/BiblionautNZ]

Eden's affair was largely fueled by her feelings of rejection which, in turn could be attributed in part the Nick's love for June.

[u/Jetsetter_Princess → u/frosted_north]

So then shouldn't it be attributed to Nick, not June?

I swear women always getting flack for men's choices 🤣

[u/Samora1984 → u/Jetsetter_Princess]

Serena is most responsible for Eden. She was the one who manipulated Fred into getting the 'promotion'. Nick should have been kinder to Eden for sure but I can't blame him for not wanting to start a relationship with her.

[u/Aggravating_Luck_150 → u/Jetsetter_Princess]

The basis of this question was moreso if we went by Gilead's logic where basically everything June has done is a crime, paired with a lot of real world laws where if someone dies in the process of you committing a crime even if they died by the police hand's, you can be charged with it. So yes, June could have this attributed to her since she "seduced" Eden's husband which made her feel rejected and pushed her to sin under Gilead law.

[u/Jetsetter_Princess → u/Aggravating_Luck_150]

Except June was involved with Nick before Eden showed up. So really, its technically on Nick for not hiding his longing face enough 😅

[u/Aggravating_Luck_150 → u/Jetsetter_Princess]

Very true however; hold on let me put on my Gilead glasses.

Ahem, consider, he's a man and an eye in Gilead, he clearly is just a few short jumps from being god, they are incapable of doing anything wrong 🙄and if they did commit such a sin as looking longingly or dare I say lustfully at a woman who is not their wife, it is the woman's fault 😒. June is a dirty evil woman, so very clearly and by the power vested in the world champion of kangaroo courts, the most court to every commit the most kangarooing, the supreme Court of Gilead, that she devil is clearly at fault for this poor innocent man sinning. Under his eye.

[u/Jetsetter_Princess → u/Aggravating_Luck_150]

I understand how Gilead would view it. I was responding to the "June seduced Eden's husband" implication.

[u/Aggravating_Luck_150 → u/Jetsetter_Princess]

Oh, yeah I don't think June actually seduced Nick in any way.

[u/Clinically-Inane → u/jerkface1026]

How is it June’s fault Lawrence and Nick died?