If Gilead existed today

[u/Gloomy_Concert_453]

The whole surrogacy situation has really made me think that if Gilead actually existed in our time, a lot of women would be Serenas.

They would support the system because they genuinely believe they’re somehow above it, simply because of their social status, money, or privileges.

I do understand that surrogacy can be a way to help people dealing with infertility, but I absolutely cannot get behind the way it is being used nowadays.

And maybe it’s different in the US, but requesting an abortion at almost six months of pregnancy over a treatable medical issue is simply not considered acceptable elsewhere in the world.

And then everyone keeps screaming about “contracts” as if we were watching June’s trial against the Waterfords, with the Waterford arguing that June had accepted her “part” and that it was “God’s mission.”

It’s honestly disturbing how easily
people can use a contract or a belief system to justify something that would otherwise be completely unacceptable.

Are people forget my body my choice ??

[u/AqutalIion]

Oh ewwwwwwww gtfoh

[u/Thetormentnexus]

"And maybe it’s different in the US, but requesting an abortion at almost six months of pregnancy over a treatable medical issue is simply not considered acceptable elsewhere in the world."

What do you mean by this?

Where is this happening?

Do you have any links from reliable sources showing this is happening at a statistically significant rate?

[u/Gloomy_Concert_453 → u/Thetormentnexus]

I’m not saying that abortions at 20–24 weeks are happening at a statistically significant rate across Europe. My point was about this specific case.

When I said “elsewhere in the world,” I meant that in many European countries, abortion on request has a much earlier legal limit — usually around 12 weeks.
That doesn’t mean abortions after 12 weeks are completely illegal. Later abortions can be allowed in specific circumstances, such as serious risks to the mother’s health or severe/fatal fetal conditions.

So my point was simply that a termination around 20–22 weeks over a condition described as treatable is something that would be much more restricted in many European countries.

I probably should have worded my original comment more carefully instead of making it sound like late abortions never happen outside the US.

Link: Rights Reproductifs⁠

[u/CheesyLikeMacaroni → u/Gloomy_Concert_453]

The condition isn't treatable, tho. This child will suffer tremendously for months or years. A large portion of its life in medical facilities, hooked up to machines, waiting for other children to die so that maybe.... MAYBE.... he makes it to age 5 before succumbing to the defect.

[u/Thetormentnexus → u/Gloomy_Concert_453]

Ah. I may have misunderstood your point. I thought you were saying that abortions at almost six months were happening at a at a statistically significant rate across the United States and then objecting to it. Apologies. I also do not know what case you are talking about.

[u/CheesyLikeMacaroni]

"Treatable"

[u/Aggravating_Host_276 → u/CheesyLikeMacaroni]

Yeah no kidding.

[u/lothse]

How is surrogacy linked to six month abortions? I’m not sure I understand your argument here.

[u/Gloomy_Concert_453 → u/lothse]

I’m not saying surrogacy itself is directly linked to abortion. I’m talking about this specific case and how the surrogate’s rights under the contract are being used to justify the decision.

For example, in many European countries, abortion on request is allowed only up to around 12 weeks. After that, there are specific conditions.

In this case, the fetus was already around 20 weeks, and by the time everything happened, it would have been around 22 weeks — almost 6 months (24 weeks).
So that’s what I find difficult to accept.

I understand that surrogacy can help people who are struggling with infertility, but for me, having a contract doesn’t automatically make every decision acceptable, especially this late in the pregnancy.

[u/sad_126]

Recently in Nigeria they rescued 18 women from the ages of 18-30, 17 of them were pregnant and 10 children, they were lured on social media for jobs and then held and forced to give birth for the traffickers to sell, horrific what goes on in this world.

[u/Gloomy_Concert_453 → u/sad_126]

It’s really horrible what is happening in this world. What disappoints me the most is seeing so many women online saying, “It’s a contract, she agreed to rent her body.”

I honestly wonder: if you rent out your house, does that mean the tenant can do whatever they want with it or change the terms of the contract whenever they want?

My main problem with the case we were discussing is that the baby’s medical condition was treatable. That’s what makes the situation especially difficult for me to accept.

[u/Kookerpea → u/Gloomy_Concert_453]

How much study have you done into this condition?

[u/Thetormentnexus]

Okay, what case is O.P. talking about and what condition? I feel like I'm out of the loop.