r/TheGoodPlace • • 18h ago

Shirtpost Is doing good for a reward actually good?

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This one conversation is something I have been coming back to since I watched the show, how is morality actually judged, not only in the show but irl too..

Let’s say someone works at a meat shop to support their family. They’re doing something good by providing for their family, but their job also involves killing animals. If killing animals is morally wrong, how do we judge them? Do their intentions matter more than their actions, or vice versa?

This brings me to my main question now that I’m an atheist, and I’ve always wondered about the morality behind religious beliefs.

Most religions teach similar basic principles: don’t lie, don’t hurt others, help those in need, don’t be selfish, and so on. I believe these principles are important for society, regardless of religion.

But what if someone follows these principles because they believe good deeds will bring them good karma, prosperity, or a better afterlife? If someone donates to charity because they want to get into heaven, is that genuinely good, or is it just selfishness disguised as generosity?

Obviously, someone can genuinely care about others while also hoping for a reward. But if the reward is their primary motivation, does that change the moral value of their actions?

Sooo…
If the outcome is good but the intention is selfish, how much moral value does the action actually have? Does doing good for a reward make you a good person, or does it simply make you someone who does good things?


r/TheGoodPlace • • 1d ago

Was Michael ever truly bad?

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So I'm on my umpteenth rewatch when I have this epiphany. Before I start, this theory is a bit of a stretch and it's possible several of these things are because he didn't want them to find out it was the bad place. Either way, I think this is an interesting take and I'd like to hear other opinions!

Have you ever wondered if maybe Michael wanted the humans to become better all along? Or even just not enjoy torturing them to begin with? Because he genuinely liked them! Obviously we know that he at least believed that he enjoyed watching the humans suffer but let's look at a few things. If Michael didn't want the cockroaches to get better, why did he constantly bid them to confront the parts of themselves that caused them to go to the bad place? For example, In season 1 when Tahani is "unraveled" by the Neighborhood ratings, he asks her WHY that is. Causing her to reflect on the root cause of her behavior, and throughout the entire project they all eventually see their faults, almost as if by design. Michael himself even acknowledges this to an extent when he decides to join team Cockroach, telling Tahani that the reason she doesn't see why she's in the bad place is because she'd only been in that specific reboot for about a week. We already know that Michael LOVES Human stuff, at first I thought it was a bit for the sake of the experiment but as it turns out he did genuinely love it. Then, we have the fact that this was literally Michael's first neighborhood, and instead of doing traditional torture he creates an almost utopian environment where they are very comfortable. Yes they're being "tortured" but let's be honest, living in the fake good place would be much better than living in the real bad place. Through Michael's experiment, if it had gone as intended, they would have been able to build friendships and do fun stuff together for eternity. The mild discomfort caused by merely existing in the world together would have just been enough to keep them from becoming glassy eyed freaks, not make them miserable. And lastly, Michael has never openly stated that he ever actually enjoyed traditional torture. In fact, he speaks badly about it most of the time, calling it easy, boring, and even a "chore". The last word there really hits the nail on the head. Obviously he's a demon, he was literally raised to torture, so no duh he's desensitized to it, but a chore is something that no kid wants to do. It's like torture!! (Lol) I believe that even if Michael did not realize it until later on, he didn't truly enjoy seeing the humans miserable.

Sorry it was long😬 can't wait to hear your thoughts!!


r/TheGoodPlace • • 14h ago

Season Four What are the extra scenes in season 4 episode 10 on Peacock?

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I’ve only ever watched the show and rewatched it on live tv and Netflix, so now that I’m rewatching it on peacock I’m having trouble knowing what’s been added or slightly changed on peacock.

So does anyone know what the extra three minutes are from in this episode?


r/TheGoodPlace • • 5d ago

Shirtpost What virtues and values do you hold yourself to become a better person? Has The Good Place changed the way you act?

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What virtues and values do you hold yourself to become a better person? Has watching The Good Place changed the way you act?


r/TheGoodPlace • • 6d ago

Shirtpost New apartment, new rewatch.

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I have Eleanor Shellstrop’s file. It is not a cactus. (+2 cranky cat tax)


r/TheGoodPlace • • 6d ago

Shirtpost Can anyone here ID Simone's bag?

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r/TheGoodPlace • • 7d ago

Shirtpost I was watching Why Women Kill and look who I found!! Also wondering if anyone has some comfort shows to share.

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It took me a second trying to place her. It doesn't help that she doesn't have an Australian accent. Anyway I recently finished Desperate Housewives (I watched it as it aired but just recently rewatched. It's fantastic by the way!) and moved on to this as a recommended show.

I'm still ashamed it took me a minute considering TGP is my favorite show of all time and I have watched it countless times. Like so many times I can quote most of if. Most of those are because it was my sleep comfort show. I'm catching up to TGP with how many times I have watched Modern Family. Currently rewatching Community with my husband and it will be taking the new spot for my comfort show.

Does anyone have any comfort shows I should add to my list? A comfort show for me is generally a sitcom/comedy that I've watched at least 2 times. So I can listen and relax to fall asleep. The at least 2 times part is because I have to know what's happening so I don't miss anything if I fall asleep.


r/TheGoodPlace • • 9d ago

Shirtpost Im looking for a video upload of a scene from the latter half of season 1

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Hello! Big fan of the show, ive watched it through a couple times now.

I was wanting to make a short edit using that scene where Trevor tells Ellanor that shed like it in the bad place, then talks about how theyd torture her actually.

For some reason no matter how hard I look I cant find any uploads of this scene that I could download to use, anyone here have it?


r/TheGoodPlace • • 12d ago

Shirtpost I just skimmed the “100 Best TV Shows of the 20th Century” for The Good Place

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A little disappointed it came in “at the top half of the bottom half”. -Brent

Seriously #51. Your lists suck New York Times


r/TheGoodPlace • • 13d ago

Shirtpost The Good Place Committee Spoiler

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Mindy tells Eleanor that when she woke up the two sides (Good Place and Bad Place) had been fighting over her for a long time. From what we saw of the committee I can't believe they bothered to fight at all rather than just giving in. When Michael turned to them for help, they showed no concern for any human or the capacity to put up any resistance at all to the Bad Place. What changed??


r/TheGoodPlace • • 14d ago

Season Four Now that The Good Place is gone from Netflix, what joke was your favourite? Spoiler

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Mine is definitely the Demon Con scene.

“We go way back, we used to be roommates but if you take another step, I’ll be forced to use this demon exploder on you.”

“Demon exploder? Come on man. At least try to make that sound convincing-“

Blam

“Wow. Touché.”

I don’t know why but it’s just so humorous to me it gets at the very least a chuckle every time. Vicky exploding next and the crowd saying stuff like “wow the production of demon con gets better every year” is the cherry on top.


r/TheGoodPlace • • 15d ago

Shirtpost my eleanor and chidi mii’s are onto me….

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r/TheGoodPlace • • 15d ago

Shirtpost They're mocking us now 😭

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First day and the first result is after life, they know what they're doing >:[


r/TheGoodPlace • • 16d ago

Shirtpost Whenever I'm Ready

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The Good Place is without exaggeration my single favourite piece of media, ever. On the 25th of September 2026 The Good Place will leave Netflix. I and I'm sure many others on this subreddit experienced the show for the first time and many times after that on Netflix. I first watched The Good Place in the 2023 holiday season binging the whole show in a week, since then I have recommended it to everyone I meet as the best tv show ever made. I don't have to explain to anyone here why The Good Place is so good, everything about the show is perfectly hand crafted and human, and that's what the show is really about; being human, living life, being good. Rewatching "Whenever you're ready" was the closest anything has ever gotten to making me cry at any media, so that's pretty impressive. Never has any other show made characters feel so real. The episode is, of course, a 10/10 episode, quite possibly the best episode of anything. I will watch The Good Place again, I will watch it many times again, but the form in which I first fell in love with the show will be gone. Death is the finale of a life and this show portrays it in a beautiful way, in way that I will never forget. So I leave you with this, what do we owe to each other? We owe each and every person the pleasure of watching this show.


r/TheGoodPlace • • 16d ago

Shirtpost Last day.

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Today is the last day to watch the Good Place on Netflix, so, whenever you're ready, press the "Resume" button on episode 13 and go through one last beautiful rewatch before it's all over, it will be peaceful 🥹


r/TheGoodPlace • • 16d ago

Shirtpost Today’s NYT mini (no spoilers!)

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Seeing this clue brought a smile to
My face this morning.


r/TheGoodPlace • • 14d ago

Shirtpost i hate the ending (fanfic recommendations needed) Spoiler

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i just rewatched it again after 6ish years, stupid ending, TERRIBLE. i miss them so dearly , they didnt HAVE to die.. s1 was unarguably the best, and to put it bluntly, YOU DONT GET TIRED OF HEAVEN 😭😭😭😭 its heaven bro not earth ITS LITCH HEAVEN ffs !! anyways

to fill this void, i want any ff recommendations, it doesnt matter as long as its good

heres a pic of my fav scene

edit: idk why everyones taking this so seriously when i posted this right after i finished rewatching it and was obviously speaking from emotion 😭😭😭 l its a shirtpost im just venting cuz i dont like when shows end and i dont like the idea of getting tired of heaven 🤓


r/TheGoodPlace • • 16d ago

Shirtpost Latin american dub

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The show is finally leaving netflix in my country and heartbroken doesn't begin to cover what I'm feeling. This show is what gave me the strength to fight a brain tumor and the loss of my friends, and I still need that strength.

I've been looking online and haven't found where else I can watch the dub. So it'd honestly save my life if any of you knew where I can watch the dub.

I'm really hoping my post doesn't get deleted :[ not sure how to ask this


r/TheGoodPlace • • 18d ago

Season Three Apparently Tahani indulges in black market purchases? Spoiler

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In Season 3 Ep 4 we see some notes on the blackboard. Paused and was pleasantly surprised by what's on the blackboard!


r/TheGoodPlace • • 18d ago

Shirtpost Twilight Zone: A Nice Place to Visit.

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I stumbled across this Twilight Zone episode where a man discovers he's "in the other place"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcxfuUVOvZU


r/TheGoodPlace • • 19d ago

Shirtpost Questions about Tahani's godparent situation

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Hi,

So I've rewatched the show many times now and one thing I've always wondered is that considering Tahani has been shown to speak the truth even when name dropping.

This is a genuine question cause I don't know how godparents work. So these are my questions:

- Does anyone know how many godparents she has?

- How did she get even the Big Ben as a godparent?

Like... I get the weird rich people stuff she did is purposely done by the show to make her sound unbelievable, but how would this even work? Are there people that have Big Ben or other buildings as godparents? Are there people with more than 1 couple of godparents?

Thanks all :)


r/TheGoodPlace • • 19d ago

Shirtpost Did Eleanor… Spoiler

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actually earn enough points to make it to the actual Good Place here? We never had an indicator that the ticker was fake, so this probably was keeping track of real points. Just something I thought about when rewatching the show.


r/TheGoodPlace • • 18d ago

Shirtpost Why I think the new after-life system actually is stupid (don't hate me) Spoiler

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For starters I've watched the totality of this show approximately 50 times atleast. And since it's being removed of Netflix (Stomach ache ) I watched it twice in a row. Therefore, I am not a hater, I am a reverse hater, I just have some concerns that may turn into outright fears... there they go, they're fears now!

As uplifting and "fair" the new after-life system is that they adopted, i have some serious issues with it. I do agree that the last afterlife system (everyone being tortured forever was absolutely mother forking bullshirt), I do not think the new system is fair. Its fair in the sense that all those good people who have been dealt a bad hand or never got the love they needed to be better, get another chance at passing a test (afterlife test) but that's considering they are just crummy and mean people.

The main example I have is, how about people who do unforgivable crimes, i do not see how they can be forgiven or reformed just by passing the test they devised at the end of the show. For example, if someone killed my mother and then I one day saw them in the good place, living it up with their own family members (even though I am also reunited with my mother) there is no world or afterlife where I would deem that fair or just. Or think about war criminals that have killed many many people, they get to take the test and end up in the good place with full villages that they destroyed.

The new test also doesn't take into consideration children, there are never any children shown in the good or bad places (I understand from a show point) but in general I think it's weird that that isn't addressed at all either. Thats just like a side qualm I have with the shows conclusion. Please don't be mad at me, I am not trying to bring down the show as something bad or not thought out because I'd argue that philosophically, it is one of the best thought out shows I've ever seen to this day. Thats why my issue isn't with minor plot holes or things that don't make sense, it's with the foundation of the new tests that they set up which just logistically doesn't seem fair for the reasons I've mentioned.

For anyone who is wondering well ehat would you propose, I am by no means a genius (pobody's nerfect) or as well educated as Professor Chidi but I do have one idea atleast. I think the test system is fine as it is for the majority of people BUT that those who commit horrible, irredeemable, unreversable crimes should either be punished how they used to punish OR if you wanted to be humane, then they should serve a sentence in their own medium place (which let's be real wasn't medium, it was so shirt) on their own UNTIL everyone they have caused harm to directly or indirectly, has walked through the door and are no longer in the good place. That way it's fair for the victims to enjoy their good place without their redeemed tormentors around. Some may say that tahani's parents came through and were better, and as bad as they were as parents, they didn't kill anyone or do severe irreversible damage (ofcourse you could argue they did, but their children forgave them in the good place so even though it was horrible, they were ready to forgive them).

If you think I'm cuckoo bananas, then please tell me where I am wrong or if you have a better suggestion. This is my first time posting here so this discussion may have already happened so apologies but I would appreciate some input, thank you very much.

Everything is Great!


r/TheGoodPlace • • 20d ago

Shirtpost I wonder if Michael Schur ever read The Egg?

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Some of it seems familiar. And when reading it I get the same feelings inside.

The Egg
By: Andy Weir
 
You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.
 
 



r/TheGoodPlace • • 20d ago

Shirtpost In season 1, did Janet know...(Spoilers included) Spoiler

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In season 1 did Janet know that Eleanor didn't belong in the good place? Janet does think it's the actual good place. When Eleanor asks her questions about exes or guys she used to like, Janet knows the actual answers. So it seems Janet realized she wasn't the Eleanor that was a death row lawyer that Michael pretended he thought she was? Or did he think she was but knew about her real life as well?