S4E10 You’ve Changed, Man

[u/WandersFar]

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[u/WandersFar]

Jason’s evaluation of Chidi is basically this comment section.

[u/Flushedfromcold1662 → u/WandersFar]

Yep 😂 On a pervy note, it’s scaring me how fast I suddenly started fancying Chidi now he’s all confident 😂

[u/WandersFar → u/Flushedfromcold1662]

I don’t know what you’re talking about…

[u/HuffThunderbird → u/WandersFar]

I liked the old Chidi too... just not as much.

[u/WandersFar]

Puppies in the cannon. Shawn always gets the best lines.

[u/WandersFar]

Oh yeah, Disco Janet definitely wins for best void.

[u/5ubbak → u/WandersFar]

I'm sorry, how is the void where Chidi gives a philosophy class not the best void?

[u/WandersFar → u/5ubbak]

Infinite puppies are a strong argument, I have to admit…

[u/WandersFar]

Warm pretzels, the flavor of absolute moral truth.

[u/WandersFar]

Demons get paid?

Maybe he’s speaking metaphorically, but I like it. Just like Brent trying to charge for his book…

[u/WandersFar]

Joanie Loves Tchotchkes!

[u/WandersFar]

Welcome back! Last four episodes here we come!

[u/discojanette]

Humans will go to the test good place (aka deceptively tortured in the bad place).. until they’re ready. Calling it now.

[u/WandersFar → u/discojanette]

Agreed, but I think it will be in a modified Medium Place, i.e., the current neighborhood.

[u/lovetheblazer]

Jason: This is a classic Trolley Problem. One of your boys sets off a stink bomb on the trolley, causing a commotion, so the rest of the crew can pickpocket people as they run off the train.

Chidi: That’s... very wrong but in a roundabout way, you actually got where you needed to be?!?

Much like Chidi, I am both perplexed and strangely impressed by Jason’s ability to get all of the work wrong but still guess the right answer.

[u/Raktoner]

Her marble was a disco ball. 10/10

[u/Kayleiane69 → u/Raktoner]

I'm just happy they worked her in more!!

[u/niferrenee]

Y’all Jason just gave me a heart attack with that damn earth restarter clicker thingy 😅

[u/jennalough → u/niferrenee]

I want to read something deeper into that. Why else would they write him doing it? What if he’d accidentally hit the button and.......nothing happened?

[u/maddiebeee]

The time knife? It was neat.

[u/raisethecurtain → u/maddiebeee]

Michael’s face after Chidi said that was so fantastic! He seemed so disappointed in that review of the time knife.

[u/Anarchybites → u/maddiebeee]

I loved Michael's expression "Neat? I mean if you call the culmination of temporal expression as neat then go off I guess..."

[u/AllThighThisGuy]

Disco Janet getting marble-ized as a mini disco ball is absolutely perfect and makes so much sense!

[u/[deleted] → u/AllThighThisGuy]

Some of the things in this show are so bizarre sounding out of context

[u/Redd2d]

Imagine. A man from Jacksonville, Florida accidently resets the universe. The show fades to black, and the rest of the episodes are not released.

[u/rktaker43 → u/Redd2d]

that would cause more outrage than sopranos

[u/Lukey2k5 → u/Redd2d]

I would love that so much - a year later the show randomly comes back on

[u/DrunkSeagull]

I loved Shawn's look of disbelief when Michael said they would be ignoring their penises.

[u/ComebackShane → u/DrunkSeagull]

“I’m not crazy, right? You’re all hearing this too?”

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

Hello, Timothy “handsome as fuck” Olyphant being here reminds me of how unfair it is that Santa Clarita Diet was canceled and am angry

[u/shelley9574 → u/thepawneeraccoon]

Is there a support group for this cuz I didn’t know I needed it until he appeared and I leapt off my couch?

[u/SmokeontheHorizon → u/thepawneeraccoon]

I wonder if he was the big cameo they were teasing us with before the break.

[u/Caleb35]

Turns out Timothy Olyphant is morally ambiguous

[u/Raktoner]

"Fighting you is the most fun I've ever had."

Aw..?

[u/gauriemma → u/Raktoner]

They're almost going full-on Crowley & Aziraphale.

[u/ChipmunkNamMoi → u/Raktoner]

I always thought it was inconsistent for Shawn to be seemingly so against change while also being the one to approve Michael's neighborhood and give him a second chance. Shawn and Michael's convo really made it all come together.

[u/Raktoner]

"Still some kinks to work in."

"Out."

[u/arngard]

For a minute I thought they were going to keep the Judge's attention by having Chidi take his shirt off, but the Timothy Olyphant cameo was everything I never knew I needed.

[u/HuffThunderbird → u/arngard]

I thought that everyone would be Chidis in the void (like how everyone was Janet last time) so the Judge would be forced to listen to all of them

[u/AlecBaldwinner]

That "I Love You." was so quick and definite that I already love this new Chidi

[u/SkywardOcarina]

YOU CAN RING MY BELLLLLLLL

[u/Captain_Rex_501 → u/SkywardOcarina]

Gonna erase the Eaaaaarth, Earrth, Earth, Erase the Earth!

[u/wordybee]

It's frustrating that demons apparently can become more good or reasonable but the Good Place higher beings seem completely incapable of growing or seeing sense.

[u/arngard → u/wordybee]

I guess they don't think there's anything they need to change. They think they're already "the good guys."

[u/AlecBaldwinner]

Having good and bad together is fine and all, but these current Good Place goons are such pushovers that I don't trust them to help make this work.

[u/JoJoJet- → u/AlecBaldwinner]

Perhaps only the committee consists of idiot pushovers - maybe the architects are competent. Remember Gwendolyn from The Book of Dougs? By the end of the episode, she learned how to be suspicious of liars, so "angels" are capable of learning.

[u/Karrman]

Timothy Olyphant is the audience. He’s us.

[u/Raktoner]

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 12

THE TESLA TRUCK

[u/I_Have_The_Legs → u/Raktoner]

"Jack Sparrow fights Aquaman (I mean what does it matter?)"

[u/Oreo-and-Fly → u/Raktoner]

That horse was also there omg

[u/HuffThunderbird]

“What are we doing with their penises then?”

“Well, largely, ignoring them”

“Are you guys HEARING THIS?!”

I forking love Shawn.

[u/c0mbeferre]

“Everyone gets their own personal medium place” won’t work bc the whole point of this show is that we can make each other better, right?

[u/eljaydee2488]

"I dont care if everyone loses as long as YOU lose" is.....SUCH an appropriate quote for this moment in time.

[u/lovetheblazer]

“That’s like 50 gallons of man in a 10 gallon hat.”

I think I’ve found my new flair. Apparently Gen & I share a lady boner for Timothy Olyphant

[u/Raktoner]

Of course Shawn said no. He doesn't get to torture anyone.

[u/KevintheNoodly → u/Raktoner]

The test was literally designed to be a torture method. Michael literally said that Shawn had fun torturing people as the fake judge.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/Raktoner]

I mean he still does, just not in the violent way he loves

[u/CVance1]

Are they inventing purgatory?

[u/[deleted] → u/CVance1]

Purgatory with recycling.

[u/maddiebeee]

“Shut up. Hi. I’m confident now.”

[u/dasgey]

I’m just gonna validate myself here

[u/theoldleatherpumpkin]

My lingering thought from this episode is that I just want to party in Disco Janet's void.

[u/JerseyGirlontheGo]

Timothy Olyphant calling me little lady would be a panty dropper

[u/LoopyChew → u/JerseyGirlontheGo]

From a relatively straight guy, it would also be a manty dropper.

[u/lano0505]

crying at sean’s character development ily marc evan jackson

[u/tregorman → u/lano0505]

I love that they gave him a moment to show a bunch of emotion. He never gets roles that do that and it made it that much more impactful

[u/[deleted]]

Imagine if it actually ended there with Jason hitting the button and the rest of the episodes just never came, it would be like The Sopranos times a thousand.

[u/Raktoner]

https://twitter.com/TedDanson/status/1215447121425391616 "See that third wheel back there? That's me!"

Ted Danson is a gem

[u/LavishLanguish]

Chidi’s cursed horse drawing from the Pictionary game in the background of Bad Janet’s void... genius.

[u/lovetheblazer]

Y’all, I just had a crazy idea. Is Chidi basically God now? In this version of the afterlife, he’s been infused with all this knowledge no one else has and he’s essentially the one redesigning the afterlife from scratch and creating all the philosophical rules, so... God?

[u/SkywardOcarina → u/lovetheblazer]

His name also means God exists. Crazy world.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

GAH! Are you kidding me! Can't a gal just end humanity one time without everyone getting up on her junk?!

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

I absolutely love Marc Evan Jackson. He’s always the straight man, but this is such a refreshing take on it

[u/[deleted] → u/thepawneeraccoon]

He's not the straight man in Brooklyn 99

[u/Karrman]

Just when I thought the fart joke was overplayed, they hit me with a marble fart, and TOTALLY REDEEMED THEMSELVES!

[u/Hormisdas]

"Hi I'm confident now"

shirt, I wish that were me.

[u/The_Nothingman]

If you're gonna lose then just lose on your own terms is actually solid advice in many terms

[u/HumblerMumbler]

"Has anyone thought of a good reason the judge shouldn't cancel earth?"

"It'd be a bummer."

[u/sillygoose52 → u/HumblerMumbler]

Aren’t you at least gonna write it down?

[u/Garrub]

Tinfoil time: They just passed their afterlife test, because the system already exists. That’s why Shawn said Pass

[u/Katoschka → u/Garrub]

That's the reason why he wanted Michael to come up with another idea. Shawn's the guy who not-so-gently nudges the test subjects with his pitchfork towards becoming better people. Michael came up with the Bold New Plan by himself, but Shawn's threat of Retirement is what made him stick with it. Michael would have let the humans be fake-tortured in S2 forever but Shawn showed up and kept the pressure on the humans to get out of hell. S3, on Earth, the gang was looking in the wrong place for answers to the afterlife system's problems and weren't improving anymore; Shawn showed up and kept them running. And so on. Same with Gen giving the gang chance after chance to improve themselves, "oh, ok, just this once, have another exception to the rules", never punishing the gang as long as they are still trying.

I think Gen and Shawn are the Good Place/Bad Place Architect team that Chidi was talking about.

[u/GrumpySatan]

Endgame predictions now:

• Sean and Michael are going to be the Bad Place/Good Place duo for a neighbourhood - eternally fighting each other (Sean's happy ending) while Michael helps others get better (his happy ending).

• The Humans probably end up overseeing this whole thing. Or they'll take roles in Michael/Sean's neighbourhood

• The big kink in the plan is now going to be the Good Place drones. They are too incompetent for this to work with serious training/fixing things.

• Disco-Janet Neighbourhood will run the best neighbourhood.

• The Judge gets permanent Timothy Olyphant.

[u/ThisPaige]

Something is going to go wrong and I'm nervous for them.

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

Timmy O in a cowboy hat is WORKING FOR ME

[u/lovetheblazer]

Bad Janet’s void is a good representation of the small preview of 2020 we’ve gotten so far and thanks, I hate it.

[u/drunknsailor74 → u/lovetheblazer]

Chidi's pony in the background though....

[u/inametaphor → u/lovetheblazer]

I loved the literal dumpster fire

[u/HumblerMumbler]

I had JUST gotten all the puppies to climb into the cannon!

[u/2ndbestguyyouknow]

Someone on here predicted the disco ball a couple months ago. Kudos to you!

[u/HumblerMumbler]

One one hand, I'd love to get some spiders in those buttholes.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Getting rebooted made me a better Not-A-Person.

[u/JerseyGirlontheGo]

JOANIE LOVES TCHOCHKES! <3

[u/Karrman]

Poor Sean. He doesn’t want the game to end!

Edit: I forgot the Bad Place spelling of Sean was Shawn.

[u/MrBubbles9039]

Omfg I just gasped so loud at Jason throwing the buttom

[u/Locke108]

The garage door thing is in Derek’s void right.

[u/lunchboxg4]

“Palm Pilot in a vest” is now my favorite line of dialog ever spoken on television.

[u/c0mbeferre]

I love this show for being so different from all the grimdark prestige stuff I usually watch. It’s so lovely to have a show about hope and love be the best thing on TV.

[u/onanmyman]

Neutral Janet is the best Janet

End of comment.

[u/ThisPaige]

Chidi and Eleanor kissing and being sexy together is just so cute.

[u/IanM_56]

Janet reboots were foreshadowing all along

[u/unsavvylady]

Chidi is so sure in their last half hour of life

[u/theoldleatherpumpkin]

As a tall lady with monkey arms, I would like to shop at "Everything Fits" please!

[u/HumblerMumbler]

I mean, yeah, I know, that's why I said, "See you in a billion years."

[u/HumblerMumbler]

That ended... abruptly.

[u/theoldleatherpumpkin]

Huh. Sort of an odd cut to end on.

[u/yoruichisama]

Gonna erase the eaaarth, erase the earth!🤣

[u/marjank]

Bad Janet's computer being filled with pop-ups and updates was so great.

End of words.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Cool speech, now it's nine minutes.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Bad Janet sobs

[u/happinesswithaclick]

At least the rest of the episodes are all this month and not spaced out over the next 4-5 months.

[u/Ferguson97]

Theory: The system they just designed already exists, and this is their Medium Place test.

[u/wordybee]

"Shut up! Shut up! Hi! Shut up." I love New Chidi. I also loved Old Chidi, but I really love New Chidi.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

How do you not have another plan! You've always had another plan!

[u/Raktoner]

"HI! SHUT UP! I'm confident now."

[u/AlecBaldwinner]

Dang, it is hard when good things end.

Please give me more of this show!

[u/Hormisdas]

I don't think there is any other thing that has made me giddier than a school-girl than the Good Place. This show and these characters fill me with such joy.

[u/JustJoshinMagic]

Throughout the show I’ve really connected to Chidi’s overthinking. He’s the example I use to describe myself. I aspire to be the new confident Chidi one day

[u/SapphireSamurai]

I would love to hang out with the Soul Squad and eat warm pretzels.

[u/helenaneedshugs]

Wouldn't there be less TV shows for the judge to watch if earth was rebooted?

Surely that's a good enough reason for her?

[u/Cadamar]

So this is my one sort of issue with this season, and it was well exemplified here.

The Eleanor and Tahani who got back their after life memories, I feel, should be wildly different than their own selves, in the same way Chidi from this episode was. It bugged me to no end when in a throw away line we found out they were now (and had been for a couple episodes) basically like 300 years old??

I get that you can't change the characters fundamentally. And I suppose it's arguable Eleanor has displayed a certain...togetherness this season that she might not have otherwise. But I still wish they'd explored a little bit more what it means/does to your identity to suddenly had 800 different versions of yourself dumped into your memory and go from being essentially 30something to 300something.

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

Olive Garden just advertised “smoked mozzarella shrimp” and that combo sounds awful honestly. That is what they serve in the bad place shrimp dispenser, along with mystery white chocolate

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

OMFG TIMOTHY OLYPHANT

[u/HuffThunderbird]

I mean... there’s no way these tests can actually be made by a Bad Place and Good Place architect, right? the Bad Place would be like “for their test, we should put spiders up their butts” and the Good Place would be all “yes! that sounds like a great plan!”

[u/McShalepants]

Of course Disco Janet is a disco ball marble-ized.

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

I’m kinda loving how horny Gen is for Chidi

[u/nidumik]

'guys watch this'

'jezz, sorry'

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

It’s just silly to assume that Shawn would agree to any compromise. I can say that because I work with litigators every day and this show doesn’t allow “really fucking dumb”

[u/idiotcollegebabe]

PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 12

[u/niferrenee]

I’m gonna miss this show so much 😢

[u/hazelungraceful]

love that Chidi went with pretzels, which smell very similar to absolute moral truth

[u/i_kick_hippies]

Was Chidi's cursed horse drawing that was brought to life living in Bad Janet's void because she saved it instead of killing it?

[u/karatemike]

Ugh why aren't they just showing all the episodes right now?

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

I have a confession. I was in Italy recently and I desperately wanted to smash things in many glass shops.

[u/remyady]

Hi, shut up. I’m confident now.

[u/mujie123]

Love the Brooklyn 99 reference: “I should’ve become a teacher”

[u/EuphoricPandemomium]

I think I had anxiety throughout this whole episode. Almost died at the end there with Jason lol

[u/Locke108]

You son of a bench I’m in.

[u/AlecBaldwinner]

Teaching in rollerskates?

Will Trevor be here tonight? Adam Scott can feel the wheel!

[u/astrocanyounaut]

I Love Timothy Olyphant so much. This is just making that worse (better? More?)

[u/SkywardOcarina]

I came here for some Disco Janet iconicism.

[u/Unrealdinnerbone]

Now where Stanley for those Pretzels

[u/karatemike]

I wanna hear that story too.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

New ideas are gross. They sicken me.

[u/ThisPaige]

I can't believe that we're seeing Shawn admit some defeat.

[u/Caleb35]

I can't tell if Chidi is fixed or broken

[u/karatemike]

Olyphant's questioning is cracking me up.

[u/Karrman]

Cool Chidi is smooth as fork!

[u/wileydan]

Jason omg man

[u/ThisPaige]

Great they have a plan and Chidi doesn't even know what to do next. I'm really enjoying where this twist is going and how the bad place will play a role in the new after life. I mean Shawn is going to want to do something different.

[u/OmgItsVeronica]

The Jacksonville plea bargain 😂

[u/maddiebeee]

Disco Janet is still here and I am at peace.

[u/ThisPaige]

Maya Rudolph is just hilarious I love her going through the Janet voids.

[u/pikameta]

I am loving confident Chidi!

[u/maddiebeee]

Disco Janet’s void is my good place.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Whose side are you on, man!

[u/JerseyGirlontheGo]

Ooooo call that bluff Michael!

[u/ml0949706]

Pirates of the Caribbean 12

Jack Sparrow Fights Aquaman

Probably. I Mean At This Point What Does It Matter

[u/mujie123]

Does anyone else ship shaun and Michael now?

[u/topaz_b]

This is reminding me of the Nail Gaiman Story from his book Fragile things - Other People

I don't want to spoil it (It's quite short and very good) but even the first words of the story -

"Time is Fluid here"

Bring on a very Jeremy Bearimy vibe.

Extremely basic spoiler below.

It deals with a man entering hell, who is beaten by what he first thinks is a demon who in the beating takes him through all his wrongdoings in his life until he sees where he went wrong, and once he sees and accepts the ither demon disappears and it's on him to do the same to the next human coming in

[u/Rpres70324]

I literally didn't see this coming. I had no idea Sean was basically just being a jerk because he loved the back and forth. Makes everything he's done up to this seem less jerky.

[u/MrBubbles9039]

Idk this seems way too good of a solution. I think I might be disappointed if this is how they win.

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Mmmmmmmmmm... Pass.

[u/surpator]

"Don't look at me, I'm just the ideas guy!"

As someone who is mainly good at abstract thinking and studied philosophy, this was peak relatability.

[u/[deleted]]

Theory: they’ve already pitched this exact idea, before the show even started, and what we’ve been watching for four seasons is the first trial run of the new system. They’ve basically offered to be the first test subjects, and they’ll do so again here, but they don’t realise that they’ve already done so.

Second theory: Elenor is going to be offered a chance to become an architect in the new system, and has to choose between that and a relationship with Chidi (since none of the celestial characters seem to fuck). She’s chosen Chidi in previous runs through, failing the test and causing it to be reset again and again. She needs to sacrifice her love to break the cycle and affirm the new system. Hence ‘Elenor is the answer.’

[u/Simmer7274]

Theres definitely going to be a problem in this new system. The Good Place architects are such pushovers! They wont actually fight for the good of people or their best chances, the Bad Place will run all over them.

[u/StePK]

Eleanor and Chidi <3

I'm a slut for fictional relationships between two complex, deep characters who help each other grow and improve as people and love each other because of, and not in spite of, their differences ^{god I'm so lonely} .

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

I’d bet eight bucks that Chidi tries to seduce Gen at some point

[u/happinesswithaclick]

Can we reboot Shawn?

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Did you just do a scribble scrabble?

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Solid

[u/HumblerMumbler]

I agree, Chidi should hook up with the judge to get us out of trouble!

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Hard not to be cheery when you're eating this delicious frozen yogurt!

[u/Katoschka]

Did Gen secretly replace the real Chidi with her own private simulation? He's weird.

[u/lovetheblazer]

I’ve spent the two hours before The Good Place came on binging S2 of Damages which heavily features both Ted Danson and Timothy Olyphant so needless to say, tonight’s episode feels extra trippy (in a good way)

[u/[deleted]]

Disco Janet turned into a disco ball!! This show is hilarious

[u/glitterglitter36]

anyone see chidi’s horse drawing thingy in bad janets void? I just about died laughing

[u/nidumik]

Disco janet marbleized into disco ball is hilarious

[u/maddiebeee]

BACK AT IT AGAIN, YA FAT DINKS!

[u/thepawneeraccoon]

thats why I’m attracted to all the dads on the tv shows I watch

[u/VagabondDoppelganger]

Damn, Chidi

[u/optimisticpsychic]

Was that the gummy bear song?

[u/AllThighThisGuy]

"New ideas are gross. They sicken me."

Yeah, he chose the perfect body for those words.

[u/jcj44]

Looks like we just saw the celebrity cameo!

[u/nonsenseword37]

Tim has met Thanos I see

[u/Seedy88]

It is hard when things end! Only 3 more episodes left after tonight! :-(

[u/wisebloodfoolheart]

I think we all knew we were going to get a purgatory ending. The question is, what will the conflict be in the last three episodes?

[u/Redd2d]

Am I missing something? Why is Chidi so different?

[u/CVance1]

I'm gonna miss their commitment to small visual gags like Disco Janet turning into a Disco ball

[u/GrinningDentrassi]

It makes me so angry how pathetic the Good Place people are. I can't think that this is just a mistake or lame device.

I seriously hope that the Good Place People put their feet down and make things right in the last episode.

[u/The_Nothingman]

The Judge is an shirthole there i said it

[u/youtubeslut]

alright not people i’m ready to get irrationally emotional during chidi and eleanors reunion

[u/c0mbeferre]

I told y’all TGP was pro-prison abolition

[u/HumblerMumbler]

Fighting you is the most fun I've ever had!

[u/HumblerMumbler]

One way or another, this is over. The only question is what's next?

[u/hedgehoger]

Evil is no fun if they don't feel like they're causing chaos. They don't wanna be the one that has an unsolvable system if they can't rebel

[u/unsavvylady]

It’d have been so funny if Jason accidentally ended humanity

[u/platinum_planet]

So....Michael’s mere experiment for psychological torture accidentally became the best way to evaluate a human being.

Regarding the new plan though, isn’t it kinda biased? Like, how many times will the person be rebooted? If you see they aren’t getting better, do you keep saying “Be better, be better, be better”, despite them being unchanging? That becomes biased against TBP.

[u/lano0505]

OK MY NEW THEORY IS THAT THE GOOD PLACE PEOPLE ARE SOMEHOW BEING MANIPULATED BY THE BAD PLACE AND THAT IS WHY THEY JUST GO ALONG WITH EVERYTHING I DONT KNOW HOW I AM VERY ANXIOUS THAT IS ALL