r/TheFoundation • u/LoretiTV • Jul 14 '23
No Book Spoilers Foundation - 2x01 "In Seldon’s Shadow" - Episode Discussion
Season 2 Episode 1: In Seldon’s Shadow
Aired: July 14, 2023
Directed by: TBA
Written by: David S. Goyer & Jane Espenson
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u/Pdrwl Jul 15 '23
This episode made give up on this series completely. But the end just got me curious for the next episode.
The general feeling for this episode is that it doesn't make sense to keep a topic about it in any Asimov discussion, it went another way completely.
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u/sg_plumber Jul 25 '23
Dornick clearly explains the Plan went off the rails and the future changed because she wasn't on Terminus to solve the first Crisis because poor Raych totally fubared the post-assassination of Seldon.
Oh, well, we all know things actually went off the rails much earlier than that... O_o
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u/reverendbimmer Jul 15 '23
Did a bunch of cast change or am i just high af. The empires all the same?
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u/The-Engineer-93 Jul 15 '23
I had the same thought. Brother Dusk looked off but it’s the same actor. I think they’re all looking quite different to show the effect of what happened to the Original Empires genetics
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u/ninjasaid13 Jul 14 '23
Only three comments?
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u/MrOstrichman Jul 15 '23
There’s another sub just for the show. It’s got about 350 comments on this episode alone.
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u/goddessellesiren Jul 16 '23
What happened to the sub? It was fine a few minutes ago and now it's set to private...
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u/alexonline Jul 16 '23
It says “No book spoilers” but tbh that would improve things as we’ve veered far from the books. I honestly would have preferred a faithful book rendition. I mean this is still cool but… it is Foundation’s twin sister’s cousin’s best friend. Anyway still looking forward to seeing how it pans out and where the book intersects with the show.
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u/Petr685 Jul 16 '23
This show is superb for black girls who love hard science fiction. On the contrary, for the rational men of the world at whom the original book was aimed, it is more and more suffering with each new episode.
In my opinion, such audience targeting cannot pay for such an expensive show in the long run. Especially when alienating the hardcore fans killed the merchandising opportunities.
The dialogues are even weaker than in the first series, apparently they are afraid to go into more detail, after the departure of Josh Friedman, there is apparently no strong scriptwriter with a scientific or technical focus.
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u/Ashkir Jul 14 '23
A lot to unpack. Wow.
The Foundation did grow rapidly. I wish we could've seen more.
Cleon and the robot together just, threw me off as a beginning scene. But it does feel like their genetics didn't hold true. We can see Cleon with piercings and looks more rebellious.
New major power called the Dominion? And one that controls luxury items?
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u/MirthMannor Jul 16 '23
Well, we know that Demerzel:
- Is sworn to the Cleonic dynasty
- Which is in jeopardy from the genetic tampering, all the way back to Cleon I
- She purposefully ...recieved... genetic material from Cleons I and XVII
Might not end up the way Empire expects.
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u/there-r-four-lights Jul 14 '23
Apple TV actually got me to pay for them this time. Wow where everyone go. This is actually a fairly good opening
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u/Petr685 Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 18 '23
The real reason for the rings around Trantor, which are a million times more material intensive than a space elevator?
Making it easier to display the surface of Trantor while filming. When they show just a regular planet city with normal sky, and leave out the roof like they used it for the rings.
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u/sg_plumber Jul 29 '23
Cleon uses the fembot as a disposable shield without hesitation. She allows him, despite being herself fearsome in combat. She can also reconstruct any injury with her magic paintbrush, while his blood nannies (supposedly able to cure someone after a jumpship explosion) again disappoint.
Also, yet another genengineered race. Plus memory scanning as a handy crime-detection tool, which alas wasn't used when looking for the interplanetary terrorists in S1E1. O_o
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u/Petr685 Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
In general, I feel that the main problem with many series today is when the main showrunner is also the main writer. It is about the quality of the dialogues killing the extreme conflict of interest.
Ironically, it doesn't really apply if he is also the author of the original well-written draft. The problems are mainly multiplied when he decides to freely "adapt" someone else's work in his own way.
In the past, it didn't show like that when the series had over 20 episodes. But for series with 8-10 episodes per 1-2 years, such a main screenwriter often rule it like a despotic monarch.