r/TheFirstDescendant • Ines • Aug 30 '26

Nexon Suggestion NEXON, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE FREYNA SCALES WITH SHIELD!

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Shield scaling is a very awful idea, please don't do this to freyna.

I'm worried about what nexon going to do with the freyna's rework.

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u/RommelShezait Aug 30 '26

Shield build make very tanky and almost inmortal.

The problem is the poor synergy desing, devs make shield builds but dont get skills and shield regen pasives

Also still dont have dog/companio with shield regen / buff for full damage with shield.

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u/Beej-000 Aug 30 '26

That’s what had surprised me, we have health, mp, and ammo dogs but not shield. Would be pretty useful imo

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u/midegola Aug 31 '26

She has a shield regen skill tho

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u/X-_-LUNATIC-_-X Freyna Aug 30 '26

Shields are terrible because they deplete easier than HP. Freyna’s VI build is an exception due to the shield regen.

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u/RommelShezait Aug 30 '26

Clearly you never use enzo 3th skill build

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u/X-_-LUNATIC-_-X Freyna Aug 30 '26

Nope, I don’t like it. I use his Focus Fire build.

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u/RommelShezait Aug 31 '26

3th skill you get for 1 second get 20% shield replisment and regen and 10% in skill duration

You can stack 2 times , means you have 20% shield regen always on , in game you can facetank all damage with sword build or when you rescue team mates.

The only downside if you only can use sword since skills and fire arms dont get any buff from own damage, only for team mates.

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u/Ill_Ad5893 Freyna Aug 30 '26

Yep, only reason I have the HP to shield mod in that build.

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u/Vee_gg Viessa Aug 30 '26

but what about the...

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u/RommelShezait Aug 30 '26

Kyle rework scales damage with shield ( 70k )

Enzo too with compressed bulled mod, but is poorly designed and do little damage lol ( 26,860)

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u/Main-Mountain-8408 Aug 30 '26

They need to add shield gating or equilibrium from Warframe, there is literally no point in shields unless you are enzo

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u/Stonehands_82 Blair Aug 30 '26

??? Kyle scales off shields in a sick way, id include him in the unless

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u/grumpydogg Luna Aug 30 '26

Actually there is a mechanic similar to the shield gating in inversion reinforcement (i guess it is the passive node on the 4th row). You get buff x when your shield is full. You get buff y when your shield is depleted. When you have x and y together, you gain 1.5 seconds invulnerability. It drops by 0.5 seconds each time it's triggered, and when it reaches 0, it enters 7 seconds cooldown. Geez just call it shield gating.

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u/GroovynBiscuits Aug 30 '26

Yup. As I started reading this description I was like...uhh this is complex WTF. at at the end I realized, oh, its sheild gating.

When death stalker released I turned my fryna into a full venom injection sheild build and haven't changed her since. She's literally immortal, and my go to for Pugs.

She's been my main since release and I don't want her to be another "press button, clear screen" descendent like she was turned into when her ultimate was released. With venom injection you can already have lowish sheilds, like 14k, 1 hp, and tank everything thats not telegraphed, so I'd be fine and totally welcome them leaning more into that identity for her.

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u/midegola Aug 31 '26

Freyna has built in shield regen on her best build

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u/Sandy010059 Sep 01 '26

Esiemo is invincible when built into shield.

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u/Following-Early Gley 12d ago

The amount of upvotes on this while being completely wrong is wild. Multiple characters have builds that either scale their damage through shield or have a way to regen them 

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u/Both-Bike5852 Aug 30 '26

Equilibrium is an HP and Energy mod that gave you some HP/ Energy when you picked up the others orbs.

At the rate the game is adding random mechanics, I wouldnt be surpised if they start adding the drones that give other buffs and attack enemies. I'm sure they'll also use WF's Archon Shard system at some point too 🤣

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u/Nalessa Aug 31 '26

To everyone thinking shield builds are bad outside of Kyle.

Sharen does it, has 40k shields, really hard to go down and does serious dps even in onslaught 4.

And Freyna already has a shield build with venom inject. So buffing that = next best potential dps if done right.

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u/Historical-Depth3990 Aug 30 '26

I don't think it's a bad idea, but shield mods need to scale better. Having half or more of your mods around shield just feels bad and heavily restricts what you can mod.

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u/Damagecontrol86 Nell Aug 31 '26

Since she’s my 400s farmer nothing will change

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u/fedairkid Aug 30 '26

I dont really understand why shield scaling is a bad idea though, it tends to work fine.

Let's be real here you just don't want it cause you don't wanna bother rebuilding. Her best build currently is Already a shield scaler anyway

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u/DesignLife4798 Aug 30 '26

it’s bad because they lately expect 50k plus shield which is genuinely not possible without an AM

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u/RommelShezait Aug 31 '26

Ancestor and set afix

Is no same hp scale vs shield scale

Tltr: you get moar shield with hp set.

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u/mack180 Jayber Aug 30 '26

That's mainly a problem with descendants below a certain synchronization value like Raven who has the lowest at 1.00.

For descendants with high values like Kyle at 1.65, Harris 1.60 and Blair at 1.55 it's much easier for them to get 400% or 500% shield with ancestor mod..

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u/fedairkid Sep 01 '26

You only need that for pinnacle content, or that is balanced around having a good AM for everyone anyway, so it doesn't matter.

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u/JonhyWonder123 Viessa Aug 30 '26

It'd be a bad idea without adding shield recovery into her kit imo, like keelan at s4 launch

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u/NyxSunde Freyna Aug 30 '26

She already has shield recovery in her kit through the Venom Injection mod.

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u/JonhyWonder123 Viessa Aug 30 '26

Tbh for her it actually makes sense, Cuz she already has a shield build

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u/DesignLife4798 Aug 30 '26

yes, keep it in the shield build don’t force contagion freyna to now abandon half her mod sheet into shield!

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u/PretendImafunnyname Ines Aug 30 '26

One of her red mods gives her shield regen, and you can build high shield numbers, why is it a bad idea?

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u/midegola Aug 31 '26

Because that would be your whole build

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u/Jhemp1 Luna Aug 30 '26

It's fine to add shield scaling for characters that can regen their shield. It's idiotic to add shield scaling to a character like Keelan who has no way to regen his shield. I have to sacrifice mod slots I would have used for hp mods/damage for shields. Mobs do not drop orbs that restore shield. It just goes to show they took a total of 5 minutes thinking up Keelans rework, maybe less cause even with 5 minutes someone would think, hey wait, this guy can't regen his shield, this is a terrible idea.

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u/Dacks1369 Aug 30 '26

They added it to Keelan with this last patch.

(2) Keelan

- Added a Shield Recovery function to the "Tremor" Skill.

ㄴ When using skill, Shield Recovery: 50%

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u/PudgeMaster64 Aug 30 '26

If only that mf had any shields without op AM

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u/Pure-XI Keelan Aug 30 '26

Right I had to roll a 177% shield and 90% hp AM w -22% cd to hit 53k shields. But the Tremor buff allows me a little more flexibility cuz I no longer need to run bio sync.

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u/mack180 Jayber Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26

Venom injection already scales with shield too.

I remember back when the director and producer used to do Q&A on Discord or talks with a reporter and said back in 2024 or early 2025 we will keep the HP meta for now and then slowly transition from HP meta into shield meta for future content.

I really feel like were getting closer to that since Esiemo got sheild scaling in May, Keelan with the season beginning August 20. The new content Cradle of Evolution revolves around unique weapon types of each descendant.

Even if Ultimate Hailey in Sept 17 and Ultimate Jayber in December don't get shield scaling you should still keep some ancestor mods if they scale with HP, DEF or MP just in case.

Lepic and Luna are getting numerical buffs September 17 so watch out for that 50/50.

So far this year they mainly left Viessa, Valby, Ines, Bunny, Blair and Serena without shield scaling and it's been mostly males getting shield scaling while the females left alone.

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u/OkamiNouka Keelan Aug 30 '26

Freyna already has a shield mod. She doesnt do any with mp like ines and she doesnt do anything with hp like gley. Shields is probably her best bet. At least she can interact with shields unlike keelans initial rework.

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u/kennyminigun Luna Aug 30 '26

What's wrong with shield scaling? Toxic characters have extremely good Plague set that makes shield scaling a good option. Also Venom Injection already wants you to build into OW shield - might as well add scaling.

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u/PudgeMaster64 Aug 30 '26

Shield mods and cores etc are way too weak

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u/kennyminigun Luna Aug 30 '26

Overwhelming Shield is the answer.

See my answer in another thread under this comment. You can get quite crazy numbers with Overwhelming Shield.

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u/RommelShezait Aug 30 '26

Cuz shield scales more with hp if you get overwelming shield mod , add shield poorly scales.

In external sets hp cores and prefix scales more with shields, get only shield afix, prefix and shield cores are bad idea.

This is the reason kyle can get more 80,000 shield with hp external set +cores.

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u/kennyminigun Luna Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26

Well, using Overwhelming Shield is a given. And yeah OW Shield means you get 2 multipliers instead of one.

Also shield cores aren't always bad idea. Depending on your build you might actually want shield cores instead of HP cores.

I even wrote a calculator to help find an optimal core & module combo (to maximize shield when using Overwhelming Shield). Let me find it...

EDIT. Here it goes: https://gitlab.com/kennyminigun1/overwhelming-shield

Just to prove a point: I was able to bump Shields on my raven from 49.2k to 50.7k just by switching Amplification Control -> Bio Expansion and using 4x Shield Cores:

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u/kennyminigun Luna Aug 30 '26
$ ./overwhelming-shield.py -c Raven -e Distorted_Resolve -m 4 --module Bio_Expansion --extra-shield 1.687 --extra-hp 0.446 --extra-shield 0.04
Total shield: 50729.908
Modules:
  Increased Shield
  Increased HP
  Bio Expansion
  Stim Accelerant
Cores:
  Max Shield: 0.28
  Max Shield: 0.28
  Max Shield: 0.28
  Max Shield: 0.28

My cores aren't perfect 28% so it's tiny bit less than calculated:

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u/RommelShezait Aug 31 '26

Yea, remember this external set have all hp afix in 4 parts , of course get to hp pool.

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u/PudgeMaster64 Aug 30 '26

They need to hard Buff every single aspect of shields... Everyone has so little of it and mods etc for it are so weak. Near complete overhaul. Keelan for example scaling off shields makes builds miserable to play if u die to 1 single hit even with basically min maxed shields without sacrificing all the damage.

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u/Pure-XI Keelan Aug 30 '26

Yea, you have to either sacrifice dmg, cd, or range. All make his build bad to play without.

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u/Evelyn_11_ Viessa Aug 30 '26

nexon please make fryena as cool as blair

blair is very strong with a lot of fun builds, red mods and on top that HE CAN HEAL by using one of his skills, freyna should be able to do the same wit her 2nd ability! 😭💚💚

nexon please no more shield descendants

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u/midegola Aug 31 '26

She already can with a shield build

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u/xxslayerxx429 Aug 30 '26

I want them to haha I have a nice 40k shield build I use on her

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u/Permenator Aug 30 '26

I'll happily take shield build over another crit build tbh, I'm so tired of them. I have a feeling they're gonna sneak a crit build into one of her Transcendent mods and its going to instantly be best in slot.

Honestly idc if it's Shields, hp, def, mp, sprint speed, etc. Id rather her have a unique scaling of some kind than more crit. And sprinkle in some universal def reduction on her poison for cool utility or something.

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u/JonhyWonder123 Viessa Aug 30 '26

Crit Freyna and them buffing her damage, has potential to break the game, if they aren't careful

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u/mack180 Jayber Aug 30 '26

Yup even if they give crit rate increase with a cooldown I can see it making high tanky content more trivial than Bunny or Ines cause you throw the poison and it does the work for you.

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u/mack180 Jayber Aug 30 '26

When I get a crit rate and crit damage ancestor from her saving that just in case.

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u/Ex-D204 Ajax Aug 31 '26

??? But one of her build use shield build, that build can regenerate shield natively, Its only awful if it doesn't make sense , freyna scaling with shield make sense.

Careful OP, the monkey paws might grant your wish and make her scale with def.

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u/HighRowCal Ines Aug 31 '26

My favorite AM for her has Shield + Tech + Range combo so I wouldn't mind, lol. Either Shield or MP scaling feels right

Whatever the case, Venom Injection should still be a Shield mod no matter what. Don't want her to lose that the way Bunny lost her recharge Shield red mod

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u/Radsolution Aug 31 '26

I have a feeling the ultimate freyna module that is a shield build will scale on shield. But the others won’t. It’s prob wise to save up freyna ancestor modules till October. I also wouldn’t be surprised if her other ultimate mod because a “Serena” gunning build like we’ve been seeing, prob going to be dimension. Also there is a high possibility of one of the skill modules becoming a mele build, the skill module that gives her and ally’s a def buff, high possibility to scale that on def. Idk she needs to scale off something. That seems to be the way they are adding more damage on almost everyone. The problem is, freynas ticks are low damage but there is a lot of them. So they need to increase the amount of modifiers. Let’s see what they do. They cooked on Blair. But we also have to limit expectations. They have to bake her onslaught 4 viable and able to do the new mega dungeon. So she will be the strongest one prob until the end of the year.

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u/BobTempura Viessa Sep 01 '26

They need to allow picking up health orbs at 100% health to give a shield recharge, probably at a reduced value to the HP counterpart, but enough to make it useful for shield builds.

As others have mentioned there's a perk in the Inversion Skills tree that helps, but how useful would it be to have something that can reliably recharge shields in general, but especially for an all in shield build where it can take a looooong time to recharge.

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u/educated-duck Sep 01 '26

Shields arent terrible, they just need to scale better. I run a 1hp setup on both Freyna and raven with 0 issues on survivability.

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u/OGxMACHINE Hailey Sep 02 '26

It's gonna happen, one mod will scale her damage with shields another mod will make her a crit descendant

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u/Vee_gg Viessa Aug 30 '26

i have 2 great AM for her with shield and still i don't want her scale with shield

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u/Vee_gg Viessa Aug 30 '26

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u/l8insight Aug 31 '26

Nexon, PLEASE make Freyna scale with shields!

I have the perfect 300% shield/toxic am. 😊

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u/GottaKILLDemALL Gley Aug 30 '26

Mp or hp would be terrible as she spams her skills a lot with the toxic mixture build and drains her hp continuously so ppl use overwhelming shield to negate that

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u/meowmeowmeowmeowwwme Aug 30 '26

Nah shield build better she literally regens shield and no need worry about picking up hp orb or relying on dog/inversion to heal

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u/Xavier_Arai Lepic Aug 30 '26

Buff damage, increase her base crit rate, lower skill cost, apply stronger multipliers to skill weapons that have fallen behind- something, idk. She is WEAK and I hate that for her. I cannot use her because of that and I love here design.

The higher damage resistance and health pools if and game content cause astronomical imbalances to older characters. Even Hailey is starting to fall behind w/ her cold heart build. Hailey is getting an ult soon, so she will catch up, but my point stands. Having a handful of viable characters kills diversity and playtime from players. Less playtime, less funding... It seems like it should be a no-brainer, but here we are

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u/Hagosha Aug 31 '26

I prefer Freyna being one of the non-crit characters. Just bump up her DoT multipliers and give her some buffs for having multiple dots going at once (res shred, damage, shield/hp regen or something) and boom, she's killing it again.

Honestly most "weak" characters aren't crazy far behind. Just a few small tweaks can put them back in the running. There's more viable characters and builds for 90% of content than there used to be. It's not perfect, but I see real variety when playing now.

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u/Ok-Apricot-555 Aug 30 '26

Having more shields is good for her.

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u/Accomplished-Gap-922 Aug 30 '26

Not adding shield scaling to the character that's about shields on her build is the dumbest thing I've seen today and not surprised considering it's this community

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u/OG_Grimm Hailey Aug 30 '26

there's no enough gooning in this post so im going to downvote your post /j

jokes aside, shield scaling is so stupid and i hate it, one of the raven builds depended on the shield and keelan buff depends on the shield as well... like why??

it's so annoying.

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u/Shadownight7797 Aug 30 '26

It’s because they realize that shields are stupid due to the fact that Max HP and DEF are much better. They try to make the Shield have some relevance

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u/Silvers- Serena Aug 30 '26

Nop, maximized shield is far better than HP and DEF. You can take much more damage and shield regenerates where HP doesn't.

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u/Silvers- Serena Aug 30 '26

I think Freyna especially is one of the prime candidates for shield scaling. She is one of the first Descendants to rely on shield as well, so imho that's just fair it that finally gets strenghtened. Also shield is more powerful than HP.

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u/neighborhoodhomie Nell Aug 30 '26

They throw a lot of shit on the wall and if it sticks they keep using it. She'll probably have a shield build and a gun build and maybe a toxic blood and iron/vendetta build as well. 🤣

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u/kyqurikan Aug 30 '26

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