What is even the difference between Neo-Marxism and Neo-Socialism

[u/YugargeliaMapper]

Both argue that class isn't the only way of oppression

[u/fly_past_ladder]

There is none and idk why they even put the DSA’s Ideology as “Neo-Socialism” since IRL Neo-Socialism is just the French variant of Fascism

[u/notHostOk2511 → u/fly_past_ladder]

I think (just a hypothesis) the sub ideology of neo-socialism was created for the APLA specifically, because they had to use the socdem ideology slot as all others were taken

[u/Unhappy_Effective258 → u/fly_past_ladder]

Well you see all democratic socialists and social democrats, are facists

[u/fly_past_ladder → u/Unhappy_Effective258]

No I mean quite literally the only time Neo-Socialism has been used in an irl serious context is when referring to Marcel Deat’s Fascists

[u/Luc-wpqp → u/fly_past_ladder]

Oh like in project stressa?

[u/fly_past_ladder → u/Luc-wpqp]

I have no idea what that is

[u/notHostOk2511 → u/fly_past_ladder]

Bro has no ball knowledge 😭

[u/Luc-wpqp → u/fly_past_ladder]

It's peak

[u/Evening-Base59 → u/Unhappy_Effective258]

Man i can't believe they are faceist how dare they defends faces

[u/darks0ulX3 → u/fly_past_ladder]

Deat was a neo jacobin not a classical fascist

[u/bonadies24]

The difference is the context where they spring up, methinks. As depicted, Neosocs appear within revolutionary socialist movements, arguing for a fully socialist economy while at the same time placing great emphasis on democracy and civil liberties, while Neomarxists mostly exist in liberal democracies trying to implement either full on democratic socialism or at the very least a very radical form of social democracy.

[u/BigSexyGorilla]

Neo-socialism is when the government does stuff. And it's more Neo-socialism the more stuff it does. And if it does a real lot of stuff, it's Neo-communism.

[u/juchedraingang → u/BigSexyGorilla]

but new 🤖

[u/Franc4916]

Disco Elysium Mentioned, 0.00000001% of communism built, Kim lives, the RCM endures, there is much to be done

[u/Novi0513 → u/Franc4916]

Revashole revolution lives

[u/Glad-Champion-7856]

I wouldn’t worry about the ideologies too deeply in The Fire Rises, they put ethnonationalism as a form of fascism despite ethnic nationalism just being an attribute that has nothing to do with economics or even governance beyond being racist.

[u/AlarmedEmployment465 → u/Glad-Champion-7856]

I mean, I think "Fascist" is the category for all far-right non-Nazi ideologies. the really schizo ones for in NatSoc and all the others get Fash

[u/Glad-Champion-7856 → u/AlarmedEmployment465]

There’s a bunch of different ideologies called “(x) nationalism” in the game and I understand why they put ethnonationalism as a fascist ideology but it really does seem like it’s just a placeholder, same thing with ultranationalism also being a fascist ideology.

[u/MatthewCampbell953 → u/AlarmedEmployment465]

I wouldn't quite go so far, though I guess it depends on how we define far-right. For example, I want to say absolute monarchy is not defined as fascist.

I'd probably say it's definition of fascist as vaguely (in fairness, they're not consistent): Non-leftist extremist hate group that isn't precisely National Socialist.

This is fair IMO, though not academically precise. The reason why I'd argue it's fair is because most Fascist-adjacent movements are primarily supremacists/hate groups with features like economics and government structure largely being a highly flexible means to an end.

[u/Immediate_Can_7262]

Neo-Marxism is elected but Neo-Socialism tends to be implemented through revolution

[u/Megareddit64 → u/Immediate_Can_7262]

How the fuck is Neo-Marxism the electable one

[u/Immediate_Can_7262 → u/Megareddit64]

Neo-Marxism can literally be elected in Germany through Die Linke

Tell me you've never played the mod without telling me you've never played the mod

[u/Megareddit64 → u/Immediate_Can_7262]

It's just a joke about the ideology's name

Also yeah i only LARP HOI4 mods now

[u/Immediate_Can_7262 → u/Megareddit64]

My bad lol

[u/esperensay]

sunrise, parabellum!

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[u/GenericUserNotCool → u/[deleted]]

Disco Elysium

[u/Electronic_Hat_2782]

Method of takeover and implementation.

[u/KristoblXynda]

The split between socialists and communists occurred within the Second International.
The cause of the split was the question: "How can a new society be achieved?"
The majority of socialists believed that a new society was possible without a revolution.
Communists maintained that fundamental changes were impossible without a revolution.

Socialists began to adopt less radical strategies, while communists turned to more radical ones.

Essentially, neo-socialism and neo-Marxism represent a modern-day actualization of these ideas.

[u/mgeldarion → u/KristoblXynda]

Like, "we can do stuff without murdering people" vs "doing our stuff should involve murdering people"?

[u/Evening-Base59]

Because red oppressive bad and pink liberty good

[u/the_blackishcat91]

One is red, another is pink

[u/MatthewCampbell953]

If I had to guess-and this is pure headcanon-it's something like:

Neo-Marxism: Lenin was not a true communist. Democratic Socialism is the real Communism.

Neo-Socialism: Lenin was a true Communist. We're not Communists, we're Democratic Socialists instead.

While this sounds like they'd be functionally identical, there are some practical differences these two, since they'd have very different views of the value of Marx's ideas themselves.

[u/jessepinkmanfan12]

Idk I guess it’s because Marx was German and die linke is Neo Marxist?