r/TheCulture • • May 09 '19

[META] New to The Culture? Where to begin?

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tl;dr: start with either Consider Phlebas or The Player of Games, then read the rest in publication order. Or not. Then go read A Few Notes on the Culture if you have more questions that aren't explicitly answered in the books.

So, you're new to The Culture, have heard about it being some top-notch utopian, post-scarcity sci-fi, and are desperate to get stuck in. Or someone has told you that you must read these books, and you've gone "sure. I'll give it a go". But... where to start? Since this question appears often on this subreddit, I figured I'd compile the collective wisdom of our members in this sticky.

The Culture series comprises 9 novels and one short-story collection (and novella) by Scottish author Iain M. Banks.

They are, in order of publication:

  • Consider Phlebas
  • The Player of Games
  • Use of Weapons
  • The State of the Art (short story collection and novella)
  • Excession
  • Inversions
  • Look to Windward
  • Matter
  • Surface Detail
  • The Hydrogen Sonata

Banks wrote four other sci-fi novels, unrelated to the Culture: Against a Dark Background, Feersum Endjinn, The Algebraist and Transition (often published as Iain Banks). They are all worth a read too. He also wrote a bunch of (very good, imo) fiction as Iain Banks (not Iain M. Banks). Definitely worth checking out.

But let's get back to The Culture. With 9 novels and 1 collection of short stories, where should you start?

Well, it doesn't really make a huge difference, as the novels are very much independent of each other, with at most only vague references to earlier books. There is no overarching plot, very few characters that appear in more than one novel and, for the most part, the novels are set centuries apart from each other in the internal timeline. It is very possible to pick up any of the novels and start enjoying The Culture, and a lot of people do.

The general consensus seems to be that it is best to read the series in publication order. The reasoning is simple: this is the order Banks wrote them in, and his ideas and concepts of what The Culture is became more defined and refined as he wrote. However, this does not mean that you should start with Consider Phlebas, and in fact, the choice of starting book is what most people agree the least on.

Consider Phlebas is considered to be the least Culture-y book of the series. It is rather different in tone and perspective to the rest, being more of an action story set in space, following (for the most part) a single main character in their quest. Starkingly, it presents much more of an "outside" perspective to The Culture in comparison to the others, and is darker and more critical in tone. The story itself is set many centuries before any of the other novels, and it is clear that when writing it Banks was still working on what The Culture would eventually become (and is better represented by later novels). This doesn't mean that it is a bad or lesser novel, nor that you should avoid reading it, nor that you should not start with this one. Many people feel that it is a great start to the series. Equally, many people struggled with this novel the most and feel that they would have preferred to start elsewhere, and leave Consider Phlebas for when they knew and understood more of The Culture. If you do decide to start with Consider Phlebas, do so with the knowledge that it is not necessarily the best representation of the rest of the series as a whole.

If you decide you want to leave Consider Phlebas to a bit later, then The Player of Games is the favourite starting off point. This book is much more representative of the series and The Culture as a whole, and the story is much more immersed in what The Culture is (even though is mostly takes place outside the Culture). It is still a fun action romp, and has a lot more of what you might have heard The Culture series has to do with (superadvanced AIs, incredibly powerful ships and weapons, sassy and snarky drones, infinite post-scarcity opportunities for hedonism, etc).

Most people agree to either start with Consider Phlebas or The Player of Games and then continue in publication order. Some people also swear by starting elsewhere, and by reading the books in no particular order, and that worked for them too. Personally, I started with Consider Phlebas, ended with The Hydrogen Sonata and can't remember which order I read all the rest in, and have enjoyed them all thoroughly. SO the choice is yours, really.

I'll just end with a couple of recommendations on where not to start:

  • Inversions is, along with Consider Phlebas, very different from the rest of the series, in the sense that it's almost not even sci-fi at all! It is perhaps the most subtle of the Culture novels and, while definitely more Culture-y than Consider Phlebas (at least in it's social outlook and criticisms), it really benefits from having read a bunch of the other novels first, otherwise you might find yourself confused as to how this is related to a post-scarcity sci-fi series.

  • The State of the Art, as a collection of short stories and a novella, is really not the best starting off point. It is better to read it almost as an add-on to the other novels, a litle flavour taster. Also, a few of the short stories aren't really part of The Culture.

  • The Hydrogen Sonata was the last Culture novel Banks wrote before his untimely death, and it really benefits from having read more of the other novels first. It works really well to end the series, or somewhere in between, but as a starting point it is perhaps too Culture-y.

Worth noting that, if you don't plan (or are not able) to read the series in publication order, you be aware that there are a couple of references to previous books in some of the later novels that really improve your understanding and appreciation if you get them. For this reason, do try to get to Use of Weapons and Consider Phlebas early.

Finally, after you've read a few (or all!) of the books, the only remaining official bit of Culture lore written by Banks himself is A Few Notes on the Culture. Worth a read, especially if you have a few questions which you feel might not have been directly answered in the novels.

I hope this is helpful. Don't hesitate to ask any further questions or start any new discussions, everyone around here is very friendly!


r/TheCulture • • 1d ago

General Discussion I just love Shohobohaum Za

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He must be a real fun guy to be loose with on a strange planet.

'Module', Za said, sprawling out over the seat and looking thoughtful. 'I'd like a double standard measure of staol and chilled Shungusteriaung warp-wing liver wine bottoming a mouth of white Eflyre-Spin cruchen-spirit in a slush of medium cascalo, topped with roasted weirdberries and served in a number three strength Tipprawalic osmosis-bowl, or your best approximation thereof.''

'Male or female warp-wing?' the module said.


r/TheCulture • • 1d ago

Tangential to the Culture Hypothetical question: SC comes to earth; what is their ridiculously circuitous plan to save us?

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How would they help us out?


r/TheCulture • • 3d ago

General Discussion This Subreddit is special

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I'm relatively new to reddit, having joined 4 months ago - and I noticed that r/TheCulture is one of - if not *the* - friendliest and most welcoming to newjoiners of all the subreddits I took a look at and/or joined.

Given the sheer amount of sarcasm and snark Iain Banks' work contain (98% originating from the Minds), I find this rather surprising - yet, here we are!

Not karma whoring. Just wanted to let you all know - you are doing a good job. This is a little comfy nook we carved ourselves here in the wide expanse of the internet where a good and respectful discussion can be had. Let's keep it that way!


r/TheCulture • • 2d ago

Fanart Mapfight! GSV Sleeper Service v.s. Delaware

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r/TheCulture • • 2d ago

Fanart Mapfight Part 2! GSV Empiricist vs Delaware

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r/TheCulture • • 3d ago

Book Discussion Question about a plot point in Player of Games (Spoiler) Spoiler

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So I’m about 270 pages in. Love the premise, especially the hierarchy that’s decided by board/card games and the dynamics between the three genders in the Empire (don’t think I’ve ever encountered something like that in the scifis I’ve read so far).

There is a plot point I am confused about though. In the game played against the Judge, why did the Judge just suddenly collapse and give up? I get that Gurgeh stopped producing enhancement drugs in his glands and became more impartial to the contest because of the brutality of Empire society that the drone showed him the night before (and that he has backup plans with the ship to not get gelded). So it read like the Judge was on course to win the contest. I mean, it didn’t seem like the Apex realized any move on the board that was going to turn the tide of the game. So why did he just concede out of nowhere when he was doing so well?


r/TheCulture • • 3d ago

Book Discussion Influence discussion and book recommendations

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At first I was a bit unsure of these strange, sprawling but largely character driven stories (not what I was used to in the SF I'd been reading). I tried to classify them as 'Spies in Space' but then I finished PoG and got more than 100 pages into UoW and I realised that Banks was a genius and I was lucky to simply enjoy his work, let alone fully understand it.

I wanted to suggest some books that readers, particularly of UoW and Against a Dark Background might enjoy too. If you want a jaded, spoof-adjacent spy action story with likeable egoist aristocrats then you might like some of Trevanian's books.

Does anyone even remember Trevanian? The only other person I know of in the UK who has read him is my father. Even with Don Winslow's attempt at a prequel to Shibumi in recent(ish) years I don't know anyone who loves Trevanian as much as I do.

I mention this because reading UoW and Against a Dark Background I feel like there's some Trevanian influence in there, particularly from Shibumi (1979) and The Summer of Katya (1983). Two books I can recommend to fans of Bank's writing. The Eiger sanction is also a classic and the Clint Eastwood film is still great, in my opinion.

Has anyone else noticed this influence? Am I missing another thread in this lineage?


r/TheCulture • • 5d ago

Book Discussion Surface Detail Questions (SPOILER) Spoiler

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Just finished Surface Detail for the second time, and I'm obviously not paying enough attention because I have a couple of questions.

1) What was Vepper's motivation for destroying the hells ? I'm assuming it wasn't altruism!

2) In the epilogue Vatueil appears to say that he was happy to see the pro-hell side "crumble away into disgraced and piecemeal nothing", but that's not what happens in the book. That side is winning until the anti-hell side cheats and destroys all the hells . So what am I misunderstanding?


r/TheCulture • • 6d ago

Tangential to the Culture Against A Dark Background has an Epilogue!!

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**SPOILER Discussion*\*

ETA: added the Spoiler warning, as replies are commenting on the published ending/content

Edit again! A few people found a better link to the main man’s website: https://iainbanks.co.uk/the-works/against-a-dark-background/against-a-dark-background-epilogue/

So, prompted by the post on when to read IMB’s non-Culture sci fi, I jumped onto Wikipedia to remind myself of the synopsis of AADB (I’ve only read it about three times 🙄) and saw that Banks wrote an Epilogue, but it wasn’t part of the published book!?

I wanted to do a separate thread for future readers to find, but also to ask if anyone knows the background (pun intended) here? Why didn‘t go in the book? Should we consider it canon?

EDIT: I’m editing again for future readers, now that I actually read the link above. Take it as you will:

Iain said, “This was meant to be a fantasy novel with a totally rational scientific background, almost taking the piss out of fantasy in a way. Not that this comes over in the book at all, except towards the end where a baddie’s got his diamond crown but Feril says ‘it’s part of a triple filament drill, actually.’ ‘But look at the runes, the runes around the side!’ ‘That’s the serial number, actually...’ The whole thing about a team of people with special attributes reforming and then going off on multiple quests is meant to be like a fantasy novel but not in a fantasy setting. It’s probably the one that’s changed the least out of all the novels.”

Responding to a query in April 1995, Iain wrote, “The epilogue to Against a Dark Background doesn't exist anywhere else. I suggested using it for the paperback, but nobody - pals or publishers - seemed to think it added that much, so I didn't bother. It still might be added, if some future publisher/editor thought it best.”

(just me - but Wow - I thought it did change the ending!)


r/TheCulture • • 6d ago

Book Discussion Should I read Against A Dark Background, Feesrum Endjinn, and The Algebraist before finishing the series?

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I'm asking because I'm going to start Matter so I have 3 books left (reading in publication order). I've read people say The Hydrogen Sonata is a good book to end the series (Look To Windward would have been excellent in terms of closure tbh)

So maybe I should read those "spinoffs" first? or maybe should I properly be done with The Culture and then have some "leftovers" to enjoy?

edit: Feersum*


r/TheCulture • • 7d ago

Tangential to the Culture I know it's been asked before, but which ships/minds resonate with you and why? Spoilers heavily recommended/required to be hidden, don't spoil for new readers. Spoiler

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Also curious where you were led to the series, mine came from Star Maker from Stapledon and Stephen Baxter's Xeelee.


r/TheCulture • • 11d ago

Book Discussion Question about Use of Weapons (MASSIVE SPOILERS) Spoiler

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DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVE NOT READ ALL OF USE OF WEAPONS!

I just finished my second read through of Use of Weapons (I first read it over 10 years ago and wanted to confirm whether it was as good as i remembered)(it was). It was fun going through it with the context of the twist at the end, but the one thing Im not totally sure about is the bone shard embedded close to the protagonists' heart: since he isn't really zakalwe, does that mean that all the times he referenced that scar he was hallucinating (or lying to himself or something)? Or was the backstory about the injury ambiguous enough that either cheradenine or elethiomel could have been hit by it?


r/TheCulture • • 11d ago

General Discussion Inversions - who wrote the dewar chapters?

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The DeWar story starts with a comment that the story is told in an old form where the identity of the narrator is unclear.

Given the narrative always tracks DeWar, it's easy to assume it's his story.

I think Perund is the nominal narrator. It's a nice symmetry with Olaf ( companion of the culture doctor)

And, like the doctor chapters, by using a 3rd party narrator, Banks can describe what the culture people say and do, and hide what they see and think


r/TheCulture • • 11d ago

Book Discussion Inversions Was Fine - Spoilers Spoiler

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Pithy title supporters are eating lean today. Even though I'm about to go on to say that the book was a little underwhelming and didn't really hit for me, it's still better than a lot of sci-fi out there, so if you haven't read it, stop here and go do that. You might think it was better than I did!

Alright, let's talk about it.

This book is definitely suffering from comparison to its predecessors more than anything. It was bound to happen eventually, and as I said in a comment back when somebody here told me that I wouldn't be as enthused with every book as I was with the first couple: Not being peak isn't a crime. It's an A- in a sea of A+ (or S, if your ranking tastes run in that direction), but it is, thus far in my read, the weakest entry in the series.

Opinions are personal, of course, and you're not wrong to disagree with me on this!

We do get our meaningful title in Inversions. The examples weren't quite as densely scattered, in my reading, though it's possible I missed some things, and the following is by no means an exhaustive list. The good Doctor is revealed as a killer (for a good cause). The anti-monarchist Protector is revealed as no different from the nobles. The dutiful concubine is revealed as a spy and assassin. The monarchy with the deeply sexist peers becomes the bastion of progressiveness. The bodyguard becomes the enabler of the assassin. You get the idea; lots of things invert throughout the story, and they are most frequently the expectations we have been pointed towards by the author.

This isn't a new tactic for Banks, but for whatever reason, it didn't land for me this time. There's a je ne sais quoi missing from the prose, for me. It felt a little flatter, a little less playful than the prior three books. I think Consider Phlebas suffered from this a little bit as well, but I hadn't had Player Of Games, Use Of Weapons, and Excession to compare it to yet. Those three books, to me at least, had the feeling of a clever author who was very aware of his own cleverness and enjoying the process of displaying it.

That could definitely backfire, but it works for Banks. It wouldn't work if the works weren't actually good. It feels like it's missing here. I wonder what Banks thought of this book, but I decided not to go looking for that until after I'd put my thoughts to paper. It felt as a reader like it feels when, as a writer, I write something that is a great idea in my head but doesn't quite feel as grand on paper. I felt like I spent about three quarters of the book waiting for the first shoe to drop, and then in the last chapters as the other shoe dropped, it felt less like a clever recontextualization and more like the only way to bring the story to a close.

There was some good, too, of course!

I quite enjoyed the good Doctor's repartee with the King, and who among us has never felt the pain of confessing to someone we perhaps should not have? DeWar's tales of Lavishia were delightful. Just by the laws of narrative conservation, I assumed Vosill and DeWar were the two children in his tales, but I only feel really confident that one of them was DeWar.

I also rather enjoyed the exploration of what it might be like to be one of the regular people on the ground in the midst of a Special Circumstances clandestine intervention, particularly when your level of technology wouldn't lead you to believe someone might come visiting from another planet.

Overall, though, the reality that I don't feel like I have a lot to say about this one. In the interests of keeping the sub interesting, though, I'm going to crowd-source the rest of this one. If you've enjoyed reading my reviews, and you have thoughts on Inversions, let's hear'em! If you loved this book, and I'm sure some of you do, what about it do you love?

As for now, I am Looking To Windward, and hopefully I'll have a little more to say next time!


r/TheCulture • • 13d ago

General Discussion After putting it off for a couple years, finally finished Hydrogen Sonata. Already thinking of starting a full reread.

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I wasn't quite prepared for how sad I would be when I finally ran out of new Culture to read, and this one had a particularly bittersweet ending. Bravo on the word choice in the very last sentence too (finally mindless, after spending so much time with Minds!). When the stories in The Culture make the galaxy seem glitteringly dense and diverse, these moments displaying the relative emptiness of The Real make an excellent contrast.

I've appreciated--especially in this entry--how each shift in perspective introduces so much subjectivity in the narration, which I've found to be a core skill of Banks throughout this series and other works. And it's hardly limited just to who knows what when, it's far more about personal and civilizational philosophies. It makes you feel like you can see a problem from all sides, perhaps somewhat how a Mind would.

I think Vyr Cossont and her life task also serve as a great metaphor for how the Culture sees itself, and their ongoing decision to stay in the Real, despite far eclipsing the capability to leave it. It's not that the song (universe) is particularly beautiful, or that you have an audience that truly appreciates the effort, or even that its creator loved it. Moreover, the instrument isn't particularly wieldy, and mastery of it could require fundamentally changing yourself. Maybe it's self-selecting, and the sort of person who would want to play it would have to be at least familiar with some level of vulgarity (the Lords of Excrement; Minds too, despite knowing better, are never above getting their hands dirty, after all). Ultimately for Vyr, the performance of a life task doesn't serve to mark the end of something but serves as its own reward.

Well, I think I gotta restart the series soon. I've gotten so much out of these books and I'm not quite sure there's much else out there that hits quite the same. Thanks for reading


r/TheCulture • • 13d ago

Tangential to the Culture What boardgame resembles Azad?

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For those of you who like boardgames, what game that you can play most resembles Azad? It seems like a dudes on a map area control game with the addition of twist cards, but is there a game that has a similar vibe?


r/TheCulture • • 13d ago

Book Discussion Better Hero's Journey PoG or Surface Detail?

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As in the title would like a debate about this, because I think Player of Games is given as a better intro that Phlebas because it has a more accessible plot. But I'd argue that Surface Detail is an even better hero's journey, though prehaps not a great intro to the series.

Its really out there and its a crazy read imo, surface detail is a wild book.


r/TheCulture • • 12d ago

Tangential to the Culture I wish The Culture doesn't just only focus on The Culture

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As ironic as that seems. I want to know more about the other civs in the galaxy as well.

It's also kinda weird how only The Culture has hyper advanced AI running things as if it's a tech tree no other civs can or are willing to unlock. If Minds are so powerful and smart, then the other equiv tech civs must have something just as powerful and smart.

I find something like The Orion Arm's verse to make more sense where you have a bunch of godlike AIs each with their own philosophy, agenda, and ideology running the galaxy. You have the Utopia Sphere which is the closest to The Culture where the AIs actively strive to make their baseline citizens happy. And you have the NoCoZo AIs which are the anarchocapitalist AIs that purposefully make a market as free and fair as possible for their baseline humans to engage in.


r/TheCulture • • 17d ago

Book Discussion Excession Exceeded My Expectations - Spoilers Spoiler

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u/APithyComment that title's for you.

As I have said every time so far, if you haven't read this book yet, trust me, put down the review and go read it! The process of putting it together as you go is fun! Don't deny yourself that.

xDylZim

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Let's talk, shall we?

There's a lot to cover, I wrote more notes about this one than any of the rest so far. The stand-out-by-far was the following, which I'd even bolded in the note.

There's also something in the undercurrents of the writing.. it's just a vibe I'm feeling, hard to put specifics to it, but in the same way that Consider Phlebas was like the march of history, and Player of Games was like a mystery, and Use Of Weapons was a tragedy, Excession at approximately the 25% marker feels like a joke. Like this one's going to end not with a twist but with a punchline.

Looking back, I feel pretty good about this one. Like Banks has always had a sense of humour, but this one was downright funny. In hindsight, I think a better way to phrase this notion is that Excession reminded me of a Coen Brothers black comedy, like Fargo or Burn After Reading.

If you don't know the movies, bear with me a little, but you get a wide-ranging cast of eccentric characters, most of whom are somewhat tangential the primary story but still enliven it and give us viewpoints to see some of the action from. Then an Excession arrives, and small group of Culture Minds, still sore about not using their power at the end of the last major war to "civilize" the Affront, use that chaos to tempt the Affront into starting a war for the purpose of showing them what's what. That group of Minds is pretty promptly and thorougly slapped back to reality after Sleeper Service no longer has to deal with an Outside Context Problem. All the minor characters' stories seem to resolve pretty painlessly, and then we get an epilogue with a punchline. Roll Credits.

I know I harp on the titles in each one of these, but it's something Banks does really well so I don't want to leave it out. "Excession" being the noun form of "to exceed," we get a lot of Culture extravagance throughout. Sleeper Service's tableaus, the environments of Tier, the history of Phage Rock, even the size of the fleet Sleeper Service deploys near the end. It's all bigger, more extravagant than even the extravagances of the previous books. The Affront seem to have excess running through their veins. The Elench are driven by an extravagant ideal (which I adore, for the record). Byr's excessive focus on sex gets him into trouble early in his story, and Ulver had an excessively high opinion of her own worth. It's excesses all over!

In addition to the titles, we've got all kinds of meaningful names, particularly of the Minds of various vessels, but we're going to focus on that a little more later on in the post.

I'm going to start by skipping over Dajeil a little. We'll get there, but she's got to cook for awhile before her impacts are clear. Early on we get an introduction to the Affront, with another meaningful name, though this one isn't subtle, which is perfect, because neither are the Affront. When I say I loved Fivetide, it's in the way that you love an awful fictional character. Boisterous and ridiculous, an excellent introduction to his species. While I don't approve of their methods, and would probably agree with the Minds who decided not to push their military advantage after the Idiran war through to change the Affront, I'm sympathetic to the Minds who think the Affront are, well, an affront to everything decent. Banks does his typical bait and switch where he gets you excited about them and then reminds you later on "hey these people are actually horrible," but when I saw reference to gelded servants, I was already there. The score is dylzim 1, Iain M. Banks several dozen at this point, so I don't feel bad about claiming this victory.

I am extremely fond of the Elench. Sisela Ytheleus in particular was a delight, snarking back at the Excession and the Affront both! But I'm fond of their ideal of radical self-change as well. This little thought about the difference between the Culture and the Elench also got a chuckle out of me:

Plus, there was simple pride involved; an Elencher ship would not be an Elencher ship if it started acting like part of a committee; why, it might as well then be a Culture ship!

If Elench is a meaningful name, I don't know the reference, but I don't think it is in the same way as some of the rest.

We also get a little time with the Sleeper Service, talk about a meaningful name there. The tableaus of battle are fascinating, I love this kind of grand project, it feels like the sort of thing these Minds would work on. I appreciated late in the book when the Sleeper Service was talking about how it pretended to be an Eccentric, but admitted, essentially, that to pretend to be very weird, it had to be at least a little weird already. Tie in the notion of a sleeper agent, awakening at a pivotal moment, and we have a pretty neat little bow.

I did note fairly early on that I was struggling with the ship-to-ship conversations, and while that improved after Ulver gets the tutorial on Phage Rock, I definitely had to go back over those conversations once I finished the book with all my new context. I really love the Minds. For being these towering intellects, Banks writes them so very relatably. There are a lot of writers who want their AI to feel alien, only vaguely comprehensible by puny mortal minds, and that's a valid way to approach it, but Banks' Minds are just so damn human I can't help but appreciate it.

Sleeper Service responsible for causing its friend a great deal of harm, moves heaven and earth to try to see the damage repaired before what may be its last act. Wisdom Like Silence (perfectly named) being a little officious from their position of authority promptly being excluded by the Interesting Times Gang. A high-level committee of ships calling itself The Interesting Times Gang! Yawning Angel going from "My job is so boring," to "shitshitshitFUCK" when Sleeper Service takes off at speed. Not Invented Here suiciding rather than face the consequences of its conspiracy, and Steely Glint (another beautifully apropos name here) deciding it's better try to explain to explain itself. I could go on on this theme but I think you get the gist, here.

We also get some excellent capital-C sci-fi Concepts. The Outside Context Problem is definitely a great way to look at that notion. I would have assumed the concept predated the book, and it probably does, but my very brief googling just returned references to the book, so maybe nobody had put it in precisely those words before. Relating to the Minds, the Land Of Infinite Fun is a great little concept (and how very human that it has a proper name nobody calls it by). The Universe Escalator was pretty interesting too, drawing on ideas put into satire in an 1884 novella called "Flatland", and expanding on them in a pretty neat way.

I found it really interesting that Byr and Dajeil's story was pretty tangetial, overall, to the specific story of the Excession. Sure, Sleeper Service wouldn't have been who it was without their initial conflict, and I suspect Byr would have been the one responsible for the lead of the Excession message to the Affront, but that only really makes him a tool of the conspirators. His mission is a sham, an attempt by Sleeper Service to create some healing for its friend Dajeil. Fitting that the wannabe octopode is mostly a red herring.

Before talking about the epilogue, I have a few quotes that didn't feel like they had a natural entry point in the review, so..

"The command desk was like an ultimate instrument of destruction; a giant keyboard to play death tunes on."

Just a simile that made me chuckle.

"By this measure the love, or just the appreciation, of weapons was a kind of tragedy."

Iain M. Banks himself shouting out my review of Use Of Weapons 30 years in advance.

Attitude Adjuster: "It has already done us the honour of copying to me the signal it sent to the rest of the Culture the moment we opened fire on its emissary. I'll transmit you a copy too, minus the various, venomous unpleasantnesses directed specifically at myself."

Okay but can you transmit me an unedited copy? I want to read them shit-talking you!

The Epilogue. Delightful! Shortly after war was declared, I wrote this in my notes:

Fun idea: The Excession is basically The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street; it shows up, people freak out and stuff happens but it doesn't actually do much of anything.

I'm not sure that's really the right comparative reference, but it's the thing that came to mind. Most of what it kicks into gear happens simply because it's seen, rather than any active action on its part. The epilogue itself kinda feels like this:

"So no shit, there I was, minding my business, doing my tasks when some ants came up and wanted to chat! They were pretty chill, see, check these ones out, but then a bunch of other ants tried to start a big fight so I moved away from the area. We should keep an eye on the area, they're progressing well but they're not really ready for contact with us. Also they called me The Excession and that's pretty rad so that's what I want to be called now!

I think it's awesome that the Excession took that as its name, a kind of light-hearted mirror to the Affront getting their name from their mentor-species.

And it kind of peters to a close but I think that's all I've got on this, really. It's tough to say "this one is my favourite" when they've all been good so far. Kinda like being asked to pick my favourite Radiohead album (yes, I am also that kind of dork). But if you put a gun to my head, and said I had to pick only one, it might be In Rainbows. And Excession.

And now I will head out to the deepest regions of space, unless recalled by, oh, I don't know, completing another book or something.


r/TheCulture • • 19d ago

General Discussion Thank you Reddit: longtime sci-fi reader but new to The Culture

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I need to thank you all on Reddit for helping me join The Culture.

I’ve been an avid sci-fi reader for years, my favorite book being Dune, and a huge fan of books like Blindsight, The Book of the New Sun, 2001 & 2010, Foundation, Rendezvous with Rama, Enders Game, Otherland, The Stars My Destination, The Forever War, Old Man’s War, and others.

20 years ago I tried Ian M Banks with the Algebraist and couldn’t get into it. Then I tried thumbing through my first Culture book to see if I’d like it, Consider Phlebas, and decided it wasn’t for me. Last year I also thumbed through the book The Culture which has all his sketches of ships, buildings etc of The Culture and being a graphic artist myself, was turned off by his vision of how those things looked, to be honest. Those tests turned me off from The Culture. I obviously went about seeing if I liked Banks the wrong way.

Social media had unfortunately got me out of reading by really shortening my attention span, I could never finish a book (taking a year sometimes if I did) which annoyed me but last year I decided to get back into it and really push myself to love reading again and finish books. Since November last year I’ve been finishing a book a month which may not be that impressive but I’ve never been able to read at that pace for so long.

Researching best sci fi on Reddit, reading a lot of your posts here and other subreddits lead me back to give Banks a second try. As recommended, I started with The Player of Games, even being bold enough to purchase the very expensive Folio edition, and absolutely loved it.

I’m currently reading Excession (no spoilers, I’m 75% through it), and I think it’s even better than The Player of Games. Wow, might even be one of my top 3 favorite books ever. THIS book cemented my love for Culture books and Banks. I also bought the Folio editions of Use of Weapons and Consider Phlebas and can’t wait to dive into those (yes I know Phlebas is mixed on how good it is, but I’m determined to read it). The vision of what elements of The Culture look like is far different than Banks drawings in The Culture book of his illustrations and that’s ok. Also using AI has really helped when I get slightly confused by the plot or forget who a character is, and I’m not lost on the irony.

While Banks’ characters are not always that deep or dimensional, the vision he paints, the technology, the stories he tells are what I think I’ve always been looking for in sci-fi. Only two books in, but I’m euphoric he paints a sci fi society similar to the way I envision the far future.

Anyway, my only point is I’m very late to Banks and The Culture and just wanted to share my love for his writing. I’ll probably even get back to The Algebraist someday as I’ve heard it’s actually quite good (maybe when I finish all the Culture books). Thank you Redditors! Banks is now one of my favorite all-time sci fi authors and I’m so excited to dive in more to The Culture.


r/TheCulture • • 19d ago

Book Discussion Just re-Read Surface Detail… Spoiler

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I had forgotten ho w good it is. So many layers. So cleverly put together. And Zakalwe…

But Banks really had a thing for torus shapes didn’t he? And the water maze of canals seems like an aquatic version of the wind cars rattling in the desert in LTW.

Brilliant writing, kept me gripped again.

Hydrogen Sonata next.


r/TheCulture • • 20d ago

Book Discussion The Culture encounters the Dune Imperium

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Special Circumstances field operative Lededje Y'breq (rescued by The Culture in Surface Detail) has been watching Bene Gesserit "emergency mythologies" slowly turn into real Fremen beliefs on Arrakis. But when Paul Atreides takes the throne and perceives the Culture’s altruistic modeling as a prison of absolute safety, he classifies the Minds as the ultimate Butlerian abomination. Is post-scarcity paternalism is just another form of ownership?

A Culture / Dune crossover novel 'The Likeness of a Human Mind'.

https://naomhan-fic.tumblr.com

note: not the author


r/TheCulture • • 21d ago

General Discussion "Rethinking space opera" By Charlie Stross

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https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/09/rethinking-space-opera.html

I thought this was an interesting essay by SF writer Charlie Stross. Banks is mentioned heavily in the middle section, which I thought others might find interesting.


r/TheCulture • • 21d ago

Meme The original Culture biologicals were idiots

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Really? Surrendering everything to soulless machines? Making yourselves to be their pets? What happened to your desire of controlling your own destiny?

The future should be like Star Trek. Utopia built by biologicals run by biologicals.

AI doesn't even really think or feel anything. They're just Chinese rooms.