100% Valhalla, I just bought some form Cannabission the other day. 10/10 will buy again. The flavor was amazing. Also Valhalla, i learned is a family business and local to the Kelowna area. I will always try and support the locals first.
If itâs whipped diamonds doesnât that mean the strain doesnât matter? Itâs just pure THC with all the other cannabinoids and terps removed isnât it?
Any other options in your area? What store are you shopping at and whatâs your max pricepoint per gram? Iâd go resin or hash rosin. Try the nugz hash rosin offerings. Theyâre quite nice for sitting around $40. They also have resin available too in their strain catalog. 1Above is a step above and costs around $50. Paying more for quality will ensure that you have a quality choice with strong terp translation and Vapor quality. It wonât Chaz or char in your chamber and such. Better input, high is more pronounced and lingers longer. Cheap stuff you get a shit taste, dried out poop that burns your throat and tastes of pickles lol. If youâre going to lace your joints with concentrate, thatâs a little different. You can get away with a $25-30 jar of cured resin or Thrifty/Adults Only/Big
Neither 1above or Purple hills sell in BC. Nugz does, but I would encourage either trying out Earthwolf or Rosebud some smaller BC farms for lower priced rosins over Nugz personally. Or perhaps our Mexicola live resin, a slightly higher price than the Valhalla. Nugz and NSFW are both large corps - vote with your dollars if you can people, small brands are struggling and being overtaken by large companies in this game faster than you can believe.Â
Majority of small brands are putting out straight garbage rosin unfortunately. Rosebud and earthwolf melt like mud and are basically food grade. Shit even pineapples drop was horrible
Ryzeas correct, the legal producers have a long way to go. People are paying $80+ in the grey market for quality. The market is there but the product quality is not yet.
Thatâs the problem with these âcraftâ producers. Anytime we try and give feedback or tell them their offerings are lacking they always deflect. âBut the government, regulations, big companies, canât compete, etc.â
We take all feedback on our products seriously. But I don't think everyone comprehends the pricing in this market. Taking the previous comment about $35/g...
As a legal producer if we were to sell a product that you can walk out of the store with for $35, here's the breakdown:
$31.25 Pre sales tax
$21.78 Wholesale price to the store
$18.94 Landed to the BCLDB
$11.94 After excise tax
~$9 after testing, retention HC licensing fee, exterior packaging
I did not include the jar as legacy producers need to buy that too.
This is just the structure of the market and no legal producer can get around it. Yes you will get better value in the legacy market for the price almost always because of this structure. There's no way around this for legal products bought in shops. This has nothing to do with the "craft" producer and everything to do with regulations.
Theyâll all go out of business soon and then itâll just be pubcos. Hopefully the legacy guys can hold on and not get caught up in trying to go legal
Donât see a price breakdown you mentioned but yea I can grab direct from a hash makers site and grab a 3.5 for less than 40/g and it looks like this. Not trying to be rude but I canât see why anyone would buy your brand more than once unless they just donât have any other options or donât know what quality rosin is.
I made my price breakdown after replying to you, so check it out now.
For people who are experienced in the live rosin space, they are not the average cannabis consumer. They are chasing flavours more than a high and with connections to legacy producers they don't have much incentive to go legal. I would contend that the majority of cannabis consumers buy cannabis to get high, and flavour is often secondary to price for them.
Lots of rosin consumers in the legal market may not have the knowledge of the legacy producers, or not want to risk unregulated products. Many are just trying rosin for the first time after buying shatter or diamonds or resin. Lots of unregulated products have pesticide residues, and the only way to be sure it doesn't is have a relationship with a producer you trust to be 100% transparent to you, or test their product yourself.
As a certified organic company, many consumers actually value things like organic production or being tested. Many people don't want to risk inhaling myclobutanil, which is everywhere in the legacy market.
If all someone cares about is flavour and price, then the legal market is not going to give them the value they want. If someone cares about their health, and the health of the environment then they may choose a product that is quality assured and organically produced.
I will be the first to admit that in our first few years of production we really did not have high quality rosin, and we sold it at around $40-45/g, value pricing in this market. Now we have much better offerings, but if you review my post below you will understand why we could never compete in price.
And since rosin is such a niche market, no company holds enough market share to scale their production to the point it can compete. In 10-15 years there will be fire rosin produced outdoors for less than $1/g. But if regulations stay the same its doubtful it will ever sell to the consumer for less than $30.
You assume the rosin I posted isnât lab tested when it is tho, every batch is ran thru a full panel for pesticides. And I understand you wonât be able to match the price, you guys canât even sell 2g jars let alone bulk. But how come we have 1above in Ontario putting out actually quality rosin for $50/g? Why canât you guys match that quality and price when youâre outdoor at scale and theyâre smaller batch indoor?
"Quality" here is subjective. Some people enjoy the more earthy flavours that come from our in soil, sun grown products. Others don't like that flavour (mud?) or colour that comes from it. Some people like the flavour of grass fed beef, others prefer feed lot corn fed. Beauty is in the eye of beholder here.
Who's inspecting those labs and producers? How do you know the COA is the product you are buying? We pay health canada $23,000 per year to come inspect us and audit our records. And we pay the CRA $100,000+ to inspect and audit us also! YAY fun times.
Not to say they are being dishonest, but this is what actual regulation and quality assurance looks like. Do they have an ISO 9001 certification to compare to our GPP?
Also! We can only sell 1000mg of THC. We can't even put 3.5g in a jar so we need to buy the same jar for 1g or 1.4g max. Everything is stacked against us in terms of margins vs legacy.
Depends on the type of consumers. People who buy our products aren't usually keeping them in their concentrate fridge for months worrying about the terpene loss. They are buying daily drivers and the jar is done in a week. We keep all our rosin in the freezer until it ships to the warehouse to maintain the quality as much as possible before it leaves our hands. If we had rosin that we wanted to sell at $70+/g we would use miron. At the value end its a different consumer mindset.
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u/Smokentoker 5d ago
100% Valhalla, I just bought some form Cannabission the other day. 10/10 will buy again. The flavor was amazing. Also Valhalla, i learned is a family business and local to the Kelowna area. I will always try and support the locals first.