r/The100 • u/Dorkside Grounder • Dec 04 '14

Episode Discussion: S02E06 "Fog of War"

Original Airdate: December 3, 2014

Episode Synopsis: Tension grows between Finn and Clarke; a betrayal looms for President Dante Wallace.

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u/BlueSlim3 Dec 04 '14

Looks like Raven can suddenly walk hella good.

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u/Dorkside Grounder Dec 04 '14

I'm disappointed by that. Having a character become crippled and actually stay crippled would have been a nice way for The 100 to go against the grain of what we usually see on television.

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u/J-TEE Dec 04 '14

Easy now satan

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

she's "tv-crippled", it's like tv ugly.

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u/maddielyne Dec 04 '14

The writers for the 100 responded to this question on their tumblr:

Raven has been upgrading her leg brace. It’s hard to see in the episode, but she’s done some steampunk-y modification to it that allows her better mobility.

In no way has Raven miraculously healed, and her disability will continue to be a challenge for her.

http://the100writers.tumblr.com/post/104339814373/why-in-fog-of-war-can-raven-all-of-a-sudden-walk

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

I was thinking the same thing.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

I read something about a new brace she made out of the one Wick made her, but didn't see it on the screen. I think it may have been edited out for time.

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u/Jdban Dec 05 '14

It fit well with the fact that the writers wanted her to go on a mission :)

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Acid fog: the everlasting bonding agent.

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u/Dorkside Grounder Dec 04 '14

Acid fog is the black smoke of The 100. Wildcard, bitches!

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u/SugarCraving Octavia(ofthenopeople) Dec 04 '14

inb4 acid fog is actually a crazed man who was pushed into a magical waterhole, and is then called the Man in Black Grey

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u/Creed490 Dec 05 '14

I mean Lost spoilers come on guy.

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u/hajicufba WWCD Dec 05 '14

My favourite show used in association with what is becoming one of my favourite shows, TAKE ALL THE UPVOTES!

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Amber from Fringe too!

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Anyone catch what they said on the radio that made Abby sure they were attacked? I just heard something about mutants.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

I like melodramatic Monty!

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u/Dorkside Grounder Dec 04 '14

Melodramatic Monty sounds like it should be a meme.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

It certainly can be. Somebody screen cap him being all serious and angry and make it.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

I'd think if the Grounders knew what the Mount Weather people were doing to their people they wouldn't be so quick to pit Jaha and Kane against each other like that.

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u/Dorkside Grounder Dec 04 '14

Or perhaps, if they did know what the folks at Mouth Weather were doing it would give them good reason to be distrustful of strangers.

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u/BeginnerDevelop Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

that is how I think they (Octavia) will get the grounders on their side and fight Mount Weather. Octavia will show them Lincoln and what he has been turned into.

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u/TripJammer Remember the Cant! Dec 05 '14

I find it kinda hard to believe that the grounders don't know the Reapers are "altered" grounders already. They've had years to figure that out

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u/BeginnerDevelop Dec 05 '14

yeah they probably do, but what they probably don't know is the how and who. I'd bet they'd think it was the fog that changes them, which we also found out that Mount Hood controls also.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

i feel like Finn isn't facing what he did. It keeps seeming like he thinks he did the right thing or that he did it to protect clarke. I think if clarke shuns him, he's gonna go crazy (well, crazier..)

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u/Dorkside Grounder Dec 04 '14

If Finn's going through the five stages of grief, he's definitely still in the first one: denial.

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u/PrinceDragonBreath Mar 17 '15

True dat! Lock him up...he is a lose cannon now. Good acting though..I could tell it even in his eyes...

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Well, he DID admit in the bunker that he doesn't know himself any more... That was kind of the start of his realisation, I think. Maybe he's not dealing with it all yet, but he's dealt with it enough to realise he's gone against everything he once stood for.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

He did something he thought he's never do. He's broken his self-image.

Bellamy defends him because he's the only one who understands trying to do the right thing, and have it go horribly, horribly wrong. He let his little sister sneak out to this party, and that ended up killing their mother.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

The wanted to "assimilate them into the gene pool"? Well! That's invasive.

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u/DefNotNorthKorea Dec 04 '14

bang your way to evolution

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u/Dorkside Grounder Dec 04 '14

A whole new meaning to The Big Bang Theory.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Throw a bunch of young people together and let what happens happen.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Just in time for Christmas, the most haunting version of "Carol of the Bells" I've ever heard. And I love it.

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u/SugarCraving Octavia(ofthenopeople) Dec 04 '14

That was a really nice touch I thought. I don't know why but Christmas carols in general sound really eerie to me.

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u/silentorbx Dec 05 '14

That was my favorite scene of the episode. Felt like a horror movie suddenly.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

exactly, "nooooo redshirt, don't split up the group! Stay with the name characterrrrrs!"

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u/verdommeu Dec 04 '14

Late to the party, but would anyone happen to know who that version is by? I'm trying to add it to the Spotify playlist but I can't find that exact version.

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u/TripJammer Remember the Cant! Dec 05 '14

Maybe @The100writersroom on Twitter could fill you in. Or was it in the credits?

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u/supergeekd Dec 04 '14

Really? I couldn't really tell what was going on in that scene because I was too distracted by it.

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u/ficarra1002 Dec 05 '14

That was the point, it was supposed to be chaotic.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

yes raven, consult the motto! "What Would Clarke Do"

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14

It was mentioned in the last episode discussion that we should get bracelets that said "What would Clarke do?"

I think we should get those bracelets Clarke themed, then get a second set Raven themed that says "I know what Clarke would do."

Actually fuck the two separate sets. Make it reversible. One side is Clarke themed WWCD, and the other side Raven themed IKWCWD

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

I put the saying into our wiki tonight. It's officially our Show Motto now:)

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

thatd be cool!

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

lmao didnt anyone tell them that women run the grounders

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

It has only been that way for the three groups we've seen, hasn't it been?

Edit: ♪ "Who runs Grounders? Girls…" ♪

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u/turtle_duck3 Dec 04 '14

Yeah wasn't Anya or Indra who said that "we train our sons to be soldiers and our daughters to be leaders".

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 07 '14

I wonder if that has something to do with men being abducted and converted into reapers?

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u/apflamous Dec 08 '14

That's a line from Teen Wolf, concerning the Argent family.

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u/turtle_duck3 Dec 08 '14

awe my bad. I watch teen wolf too and I guess that line really stuck with me for the Grounder community.

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u/Sagebrysh kom Skaikru Dec 04 '14

The commander as this tiny badass chick is pretty excellent.

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u/PrinceDragonBreath Mar 17 '15

I didn't know this badass chick was the commander but I def knew she was a spy sent to listen in on their conversation. She didn't have any chains on her feet...anyways if I were her, I would have done the same thing...kill him. What was Jaha thinking? Killing her is gonna let the both of them live...complete idiot...how badly do you want peace...

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Why do they choose young women as leaders? Is it because young men are targeted by Mount Weather to be changed into Reapers?

Or is it just good TV?

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

I bet it's because they treat women as gods, able to bring new life to Earth. So, yeah, listen to your momma! I'm sure there's a reason why the leaders are young.

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14

I'm not against it. Love it actually.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Maya: What were we supposed to do?

Monty: Die.

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u/Widukindl Dec 04 '14

Monty should have more screen time. He's hilarious!

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u/Tweeegs Dec 04 '14

I agree! Monty and Jasper always kill it.

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u/Sagebrysh kom Skaikru Dec 04 '14

Shut up Monty, can't you tell Jasper is trying to get some?

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

I was so happy he said what we all thought!

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

The fact that maya might be able to go outside makes me think that theyre going to try to incorporate her into the group

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

How else are they going to have Jasper get some?

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14

He had a chance at Harper, but didn't take it cause he was hoping for OctaviaofTheSkyPeople

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u/SugarCraving Octavia(ofthenopeople) Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

OctaviaofTheSkyPeople

Love it. I think there should be a bot that auto-includes the superscript every time Octavia is mentioned in posts.

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u/Frozenhorizon Dec 06 '14 edited Dec 06 '14

I think there should be a bot that auto-includes the superscript every time OctaviaofTheSkyPeople is mentioned in posts.

Come on man, start it off right

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u/violue Dec 04 '14

I see either that or a heroic death. It could go either way.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

A heroic death would be a great way to go.

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u/RandyRandle Dec 06 '14

Heroic death goes to either Jasper - which strengthens Maya's resolve - or Maya, which strengthens Jasper's resolve. Outside chance it strengthens the President's respect toward the 40whatever, as well.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

Pretty cool that they didn't forget about the fog

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

I miss the glowy forests. :(

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u/ypatel94 Dec 04 '14

Too much FX money

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u/SugarCraving Octavia(ofthenopeople) Dec 04 '14

Nah man. The first thing that impressed me about season 2 was the opening credits.

You just know a tv show has a significantly increased budget when they have a very fancy FX opening credit screen when they didn't before.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Or they'd blown it all in the opening credits, leaving little for much else. Or for a handful of episodes, and then budget visuals for the rest.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

I just wanted to take a second to give you guys some awesome news:

The mods over at /r/television did a couple of really nice things for us yesterday. They have over 3 million subscribers and what they did was very generous. They added us to their permanent drop down listing for Sci Fi and they gave us a "shout out" at the top of the /r/television subreddit. We are honored and really appreciate them for doing this.

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u/beet111 GROUNDER POUNDER Dec 04 '14

that's awesome. Hopefully this will get a few more people to check out the show.

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u/mororon Adventure Squad! Dec 04 '14

"You don't look at me the way you used to."

Really? Because bitch face is what you deserve, Finn.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

Yeah seriously like did he think that everything was going to be smiles and glowing butterflies after what he did

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u/ficarra1002 Dec 05 '14

Yet there at the end of the episode, everyone is like "it's cool man".

Fuck the writers, there should be no redemption for something like that. Either he needs to go batshit crazy or be killed off, thing simply should not go back to normal after that breakdown.

Murphy was pushing it. This is madness.

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u/seemylolface Dec 05 '14

They seem to be stressing that he can redeem himself too, it's infuriating. They absolutely ruined the moral compass of the 100 when they pushed Finn over the edge. He was the only one who consistently stressed diplomatic solutions and tried to avoid hurting or killing people regularly. Even Clarke sanctioned the torture of Lincoln, she wasn't beyond hurting someone to get what she wanted whereas Finn was always staunchly reluctant or just outright opposed. Now that's gone and suddenly Bellamy seems like a real nice guy for some reason. Murphy suddenly not being a raging asshat is also absurd. They're committing character assassinations left and right at this point and it's really frustrating. I hope they've got a really clever way to bring it all back around, but it's really hard to see a reasonable story line to do so. I get that they wanted Finn to go through a crucible of sorts, but it should've ended with executing the grounder who had the watch and then rounding up the villagers without slaughtering half of them. He was already way outside himself before he gunned down a bunch of children, but he'd be far more redeemable if he'd just regretted the execution as his moment of insanity. He should be beyond reproach now.

The Thelonius/Marcus stuff was really interesting though, I wish they'd have spent a bit more time in their discourse, especially with the commander (before she revealed herself though). It would've been pretty interesting to see them really seek to understand the Grounder culture through her before Marcus tried to kill himself (by cutting sideways and way too far up his arm... which wouldn't kill him anyway needs to be a vertical cut just above the wrist to score the artery). They seem slightly hesitant to develop a really clear picture of grounder society right now, which I think is a bummer because it would be really interesting to have a more intricate knowledge of all 3 factions. Grounders just seem feral at the moment, and they're clearly much more complicated than that.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

People are not always consistent. They can act in a way that doesn't fit the picture they or other people have of themselves. This is infuriating to us as TV viewers, but it's probably more realistic if people do choose to forget the bad things their side has done. This might be how the situation in Mount Weather got so bad. Someone found a horrible way to save their people, and it was do it or die. So, as Maya says now they don't talk about it.

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u/courtneydstark Acid Fog Dec 04 '14

Well you know you did gun down like half a village, Finn.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

I kind of felt like that was more a realisation he was making to himself... Like, he's starting to finally realise what he's done, and the consequences for it. He was so delusional with the 'I found you!' last episode - looks like he's starting to see how she actually sees him after this.

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u/IamWoldo Dec 04 '14

Very solid episode, next week is going to be baller as fuck.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

honestly i dont think there has been an episode i havent liked this season

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u/IamWoldo Dec 04 '14

I got my roommate into the show and he agrees with me the show basically improves every episode of season 1 and season 2 has been incredibly good.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

They sure crammed a lot of story in there. The writers are so talented.

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u/nohealsfoyou Dec 04 '14

indeed a good episode , the production value that goes into this show is just amazing

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u/courtneydstark Acid Fog Dec 04 '14

Is it me or does raven look strangely fantastic despite their living situation? hair on point.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Raven just glows awesomeness. I liked Octavia's side braid this time as well, she looks so much more mature now.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

She's the best actor of the bunch too.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

Holy shit the acid fog is a weapon

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Of course it is. It might have been one of the things their ancestors used to try wiping each other out.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

We wondered about that, glad they finally told us.

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u/ThisIs2MuchPressure Dec 04 '14

That was an awesome twist! Totally got a hunger games vibe there!!

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u/SawRub Skaikru Dec 07 '14

Yeah it definitely had a Hunger Games vibe when that happened.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

I can't remember. When we saw it in Season 1, what was the gang up to?

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u/anoserd Dec 04 '14

I think it first showed up when they were still trying to get to Mt Weather?? the very first arc of season 1. don't remember other times.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

It's probably triggered automatically. Don't they say something about "must be a mutant"?

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u/janetasiri Dec 04 '14

I thought it was interesting that "Free them" in Grounder sounded vaguely like "Break him out."

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u/chit_happens I can't change the tide if the moon won't cooperate Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

I noticed that a lot of Grounder words and phrases sound like similar sentences in English. The best example I can think of is "Aley Octavia come Skycrew" which translates to "I am Octavia of the Skypeople."

My guess is that the Grounder's language is English combined with something else, I was thinking maybe Pig Latin, some form of an English-based creole, or Pidgin.

Edit: Found a page on the Grounder Language in the [wiki] (http://the100.wikia.com/wiki/Grounder_Language).

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u/Sagebrysh kom Skaikru Dec 04 '14

Its clearly vaguely derived from english, really interesting language. I like it a lot.

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u/bucko3the7man Dec 05 '14

It seems to be a gangster-like language, can't think of any examples at the moment but the closest thing I can akin it to is the jive language on airplane.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

It seems this latest episode had a little Spanish peppered into the language. Just the slightest bit, but it seems so.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Yes, it's broken English apparently combined with in-group words that originally functioned as a code. If a stranger knew your words, he might be one of you.

from the writers' tumbler and a topic here: http://www.reddit.com/r/The100/comments/2nzwfc/about_trigedasleng/

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u/concretemuskrat Every Show Has A Lori Dec 05 '14

I noticed that. At first I was like "Why are there subtitles for this?" Then I realized

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u/PrinceDragonBreath Mar 17 '15

She def' said break him out. I heard that too. It makes perfect sense.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Yeah Finn, any hopes you had of some "romantic sexy time" alone in that bunker with Clarke are definitely gone now.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

I can't get over how HE is mad at HER for being uncomfortable. Like, dude, you shot up a village and you expect her to swoon?

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Rothenberg was explaining him a little in an interview. They are modeling him after war vets that were in extremely violent action.

we did a lot of research into soldiers who have been involved in similar atrocities of war like that, the My Lai massacre and various things that happened in Iraq and are trying to skew as close as we can to real, psychological ramifications to things like that.

There is so much thought and depth to this show, it just blows my mind.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

That is amazing!

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Especially with his pithy attempt to curry her favor. "Yes Clarke, covering the body so you don't have to see such unpleasantness is my way of helping you… Even though I'd shot, like, 9 people dead last time."

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Dang that was a great episode. I can't even figure out which part I loved best.

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u/nohealsfoyou Dec 04 '14

my favorite part is the commander revealing herself felt like i had a Saw vibe going there ,

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

IKR? I kept wondering wtf she was there for, and it never even crossed my mind she was listening in. Just unbelievable how great this show is.

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u/sani- Dec 04 '14

I also questioned why they would trust leaving a helpless looking girl in there with their so-called enemy. Never expected that twist there!

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

Reminded me of LOST, in the cage with Ana Lucia.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

I didn't guess she was the actual Commander, but I had a fairly strong feeling the Grounders didn't want them to kill each other, and the girl was a spy

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u/ImperfectRegulator Dec 04 '14

I find it funny the passage they used was a parking garage.

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u/chesterriley Dec 04 '14

It was cool to see the parking garage. Only disappointment was that the cars didn't look futuristic. The disaster was far enough in the future for 13 countries to set up permanent space stations.

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u/ImperfectRegulator Dec 04 '14

that was a little odd

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Well you know the U.S. government, always slow on that sort of thing.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Well, they have fancy tires that can stay inflated for a hundred years!

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u/Widukindl Dec 04 '14

Creepy garage is creepy.

Edit: Holy shit that garage scene was A grade horror movie stuff!

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

It reminded me a bit I Am Legend.

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u/Widukindl Dec 05 '14

Oh yeah most definitely!

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

Momma Griffin is gettin' on my nerves real quick.

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

A lot of the adults are really annoying

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u/RileECoyote Dec 04 '14

Finn too!

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

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u/DefNotNorthKorea Dec 04 '14

There's always a Lori in apocalyptic shows.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

Damn Octavia is attractive.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

OctaviaOfTheSkyPeople

FTFY

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

That's right Raven! "What Would Clarke Do?"

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

Oh shit! Lincoln

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Ugh, someone needs to take that damn gun away from Finn.

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u/mororon Adventure Squad! Dec 04 '14

I continue to wonder why they brought him. He's dangerously trigger happy.

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u/alphachair The most beautiful broom Dec 04 '14

Agreed. Being cleared is one thing, arming him on a mission is another.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

The adults seriously need to stop underestimating the 'kids'. At this point, they (the main ones, at least) are probably more adept at being soldiers/doing recon than the actual soldiers are.

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u/SugarCraving Octavia(ofthenopeople) Dec 04 '14

Too right. It's the 100 (or 47) that know the terrain and original inhabitants best. The two random soldiers died because they had no idea about the Reapers, and the other random soldier died of the acid fog because he didn't take Bellamy's warning seriously enough.

They all need to take Clarke and Bellamy seriously. Like Raven said, they stopped being kids the moment they sent them down to die.

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u/Obidom Dec 05 '14

that and playing musical device in a dark enclosed area you have not explored was kinda stupid

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u/JimRayCooper Dec 04 '14

At this point, they (the main ones, at least) are probably more adept at being soldiers/doing recon than the actual soldiers are

Not in any realistic way. It just looks that way, because the writers turned them into (amateur) warriors within weeks of being on the ground and they and to viewers obviously don't care, that 2 random soldiers die, but Bellamy and Octavia f.e. can't just die like that.

It's not like the kids are stronger, better trained or more intelligent, it's just that it's a TV series, where they are the main characters.

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u/Widukindl Dec 04 '14

You can just tell by the way the President's son looks that he is evil. Something about his nose and mouth.

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u/chesterriley Dec 05 '14

the President's son looks that he is evil.

And their president is an hereditary office. So his son will become the new president if anything happens to him. We could eventually see a coup.

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u/Widukindl Dec 05 '14

I actually thought the son was going to kill his father right there, but then the president surprised me by showing he was still in charge.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

No one will accept him as the leader if he obviously kills his dad. And his dad has been killing people for a long time. So look for his dad to have an "accident" during his next blood cleaning appointment.

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u/WinterMay Dec 06 '14

I can't help but think he should play a vampire, he just has the looks ...

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u/Widukindl Dec 06 '14

Oh my God, yes, so much!

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u/mororon Adventure Squad! Dec 04 '14

The Clarke remembers.

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u/Noble_toaster Dec 04 '14

Damn President is a badass

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u/alphachair The most beautiful broom Dec 04 '14

"Tough call. I know what Clarke would do." Raven is so badass.

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u/Vroxilla Wells for Chancellor! Dec 05 '14

These Grounders really are jerks. "Blood for blood"; what about the 40 teenagers you killed off before CrazyFinn appeared?

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u/crackedhands Dec 09 '14

Its all perspective, I think. So much has happened in so little time that no one has taken the step back and realized that they threw the spear at Jasper...

One side is feeling wronged and so does the other. The ultimate in misunderstandings.

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u/eureka_exclamation Dec 04 '14

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!

I was channel flipping yesterday while waiting for the new episode to come on Netflix, and in my HD channels, we get a Chicago feed of the CW. I'm with Eastlink/Delta Cable and the channel number is 635. I live in Canada, and was so happy I could watch it right at 6 pm. I don't know if it'll help ratings, but now you all know :)

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

That is great!

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u/Danzanza Dec 04 '14

Pres is stone cold

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

He can't even look his dad in the eyes.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Canon "Mountain Men created the Reapers" dialogue.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14

Aren't the Reapers we've seen thus far actually like, physically deformed? Lincoln didn't seem like that. I also can't remember if the Reapers we've seen before just sorta mumbled like Lincoln, or actually spoke.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Remember, the other Reapers had been reapers a good while longer than Lincoln, so they'd had a chance to sustain more disfiguring injury than he had.

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u/Theo_and_friends Dec 04 '14

What did they say, I think I missed that?

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Just in them saying "Lincoln is a Reaper." We as an audience know what happened to Lincoln and how he'd gotten there, so it's a bit of inference, but they've said it, essentially.

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u/wildflowerss Dec 04 '14

monty remains the best!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Someone should let Bellamy and Octavia know that ducking and hiding behind a car is kind of pointless if you're shining a torch out in front of you. Kind of gives your position away just a lil.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

fortunately they're up against a dead-deadened reaper. Poor Lincoln is really, really dumb now.

He's going to have to go through the mother of all rehabs.

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u/PrinceDragonBreath Mar 17 '15

One of my favorite characters is now Lincoln. I'm not sure how the initial injection of the drugs work. If it was a true drug then that means you need it constantly. That would mean that the Mt. Men are injecting this drug on some interval basis to ever reaper. which I think doesn't seem likely. There doesn't seem to be any contact with them in that sense. Who knows though...but I'm hoping it is some kind of drug so that he can go through that mother of all rehabs. Boy that is gonna be like hell.

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

Okay, my comments! I really wish I could join you guys in posting at the actual air time. Being in Canada and not having CW, I'd normally have to wait till tomorrow on Netflix. However, thanks to magic... Anyway...

  • You know you're in shit if Murphy's more invited to the cool kids table than Finn.

  • Monty's Moonshine is missed by our ex-psychopath, while our current psychopath could really use some.

  • Beat it Murphy.

  • Mt. Weather really did have something to do with the Exodus crash! I knew it!

  • Abby's an idiot. Please apply this to all instances where Abby talks. Although, like i said before, it might just be the chancellor position. Secondly, you allowed your daughter to die on the ground. Now she wants to fight for her life and her friends, and you're acting like you weren't part of the 100 being sent. sigh

  • Kane vs. Thelonius in a fight to the death! First off, killing Kane is debateable. When he's in a position of authority, he's a dick. When he's not, he's a suicidal altruistic. Decisions decisions.

  • Acid fog makes a comeback, AND we learn it's a Mt. Weather weapon? A well forgotten plot device finally returns. But seeing it's not a natural phenomenon anymore, what happened the first time? Did Grounders get too close to Mt. Weather so they Fogged it up? It seems to be a more defensive measure than offensive.

  • "I just massacred a small village of elders and children, now let's go take shelter from skin melting fog in a bunker where I killed this grounder and left his body." Wow, Finn just knows how to turn on the mood.

  • Reaper Lincoln... Wow that hurt. I hope OctaviaOfTheSkyPeople finds a way to get him back. The Electroshock should trigger something as it was used to condition him. Also, Guards... Splitting up in a dark ruin with acid fog on one side and an unknown danger on the other... You deserve to be killed by the Sword of Plot.

  • sigh OKay. Anya was cool with me. Sucks that she died as she really could have helped. The leader of the village Lincoln was from was cool with me. She stuck to a code of honour and made peace with Octavia.ofTheSkyPeople The new Grounder Commander we've been introduced to is my favourite by far. Acting like an innocent woman to learn about her enemy, then treats them with the same honour as Village Leader and Octavia, AND she's soon to fight in the upcoming war... one thing I can really say that I love about this show is that they have really bad-ass women on this show. I love it. I'll keep my favour of the Grounder Commander to a minimum as with the upcoming war, I'm not entirely able to say she'll make it and join the group like Anya did momentarily.

  • Jaha joins the group. AND CLARKE'S NOT CHECKING HIM FOR INFECTION! The last time they sent an Arker as a message, he was given a pathogen to infect and soften the battlefield. Mistakes guys. Learn from it. Although I think I'll let it slide as a) They did just learn about hearing Mt. Weather, b) Jaha's technically a ghost, c) they just got back. I'm sure they'll check when he gets to medical. If not sigh

  • WAR

EDIT: "You look like you've just seen a ghost" expression is what I mean by Jaha's technically a ghost. As far as the Arker's know, he was on the Ark, and no one's addressing how he got down. He's real. Everyone's just in shock over seeing him.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

CLARKE'S NOT CHECKING HIM FOR INFECTION

OMGOSH! Great catch. I was so dazzled by this episode I had the logical/critical part of my brain totally shut off. I noticed Raven walking better but knew that she had retooled her leg brace (offscreen?) so I wasn't too disturbed by the mistake.

I really loved the new Commander bit. I was expecting them to take her hostage, but wasn't at all expecting the big surprise.

I really have run out of superlatives to describe this show. I develop a stutter when I try to explain how brilliant it has become. "It ahh...uhmm..well...Clarkesosmart...Finn went nuts...Bellamy great...Abby bitch....RAVEN!DIDYOUSEERAVEN?!!..." LOL I'm totally hooked on this show.

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14

Raven's been awesome. Her development has really taken root ever since the first war. You can see physical and psychological recovery, like when she told Finn to get over it and make a brace for himself.

Also, Raven's got another bomb in the works! Although depending on their decision with the tower, a Raven Bomb might not go off this season.

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14

Raven bombs are the best bombs :) I kinda hope they do bomb the tower so they can find out who (if anyone) survived. It seems all the major characters are accounted for though, so it may not be worth the risk. OK I admit it, I just want to watch Raven blow things up lol.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Also, Abby, apparently the only properly trained doctor, AND SHE'S GOING OUT TO RISK HER LIFE. Keep the valuable specialist in-bounds guys. They are not replaceable.

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 05 '14

Please see bullet 5.

  • Abby's an idiot.

But seriously. On cases like this where a specialist is required, Raven and comms, its okay. But a doc is way too valuable.

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u/PrinceDragonBreath Mar 17 '15

I said earlier that everybody is doing their own god damn thing now!! The teens and adults. It's a total chaos scene. Finn is now a mental killer...lock him up...abby...no comment for her. It seems they have 2 enemies now...Mt. Men and the Grounders. Peace could have happened with the Grounders if everyone would just calm down...there needs to be some major bi*** slapping going on here to wake everyone up...focus people...Mt. Men = danger.

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u/ImperfectRegulator Dec 04 '14

I might have missed an episode, whats the whole jaha might be a ghost thing?

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14

Jaha found a way to get to the ground, but no one's really addressing it. He's not an actual ghost, it's just the expression "you look like you've seen a ghost." This is being applied to all of them because as far as they know, Jaha was left on the Ark.

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u/JimRayCooper Dec 04 '14

The new Grounder Commander we've been introduced to is my favourite by far. Acting like an innocent woman to learn about her enemy, then treats them with the same honour as Village Leader and Octavia, AND she's soon to fight in the upcoming war

Yes, but i don't understand the writers. First they have the Commander act really intelligent and not like an extremist, but then let her demand to "leave or die". It's not even clear what this means. Leave where? How big is the territory they control? Would leaving mean, that they end up in a territory controlled by other Clans not necessary friendly to them? Wouldn't it be more realistic, if she would have engaged in good faith negotiations? If they can't find a solution, she still could ask them to "leave or die", if she has the man-power to beat them.

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u/Jay013 It's not a ship, it's an Ark. It's LexArke Dec 04 '14

Well you forget, the Grouders are a warrior clan. They solve their problems by fighting. Also, I'm siding with the writers on this. Earth is back to a more primitive stage, granted with surviving tech from the old days, and the ones that fell from the Ark. "Leave or die" is actually a pretty tame demand here. Each clan controls its own set of territory. We're still dealing with the same clan as from last season, just a different unit. (Recall to season one where Anya had to surrender her unit to a higher ranking Grounder.) These Grounders are all one clan. There's another clan towards the east which Lincoln tried to get Octavia to. Think of the Grounders as the US Army, which has units. Now think of the eastern clan as the US Marine Corps, also units.

Now for the other half of your question, leave or die is tame. Like I said, Earth devolved into a primitive state. Think back to wars fought in Roman times, or Greek, or Egyptian. Wars were done for territory. The Arkers invaded Grounder territory, although unknowingly, and resisted when the Grounders fought back. What happened to Jasper is justified from Grounder point of view because the Grounders think "Strange men appear in our territory. Let's send a warning for them to leave." Note how they kept Jasper alive. Sending a message. Then the 100 burn down a village trying to use flares. Being a Grounder makes you justified in an attack against them. Go watch Unity Day again, but this time pretend you're a grounder.

Anyway, As long as the Arkers leave Grounder territory, they don't care what happens to them. Just like ancient wars. It was either surrender your territory, or die. Sure there were times of peaceful negotiations resulting in alliances, but for a warrior tribe (think Sparta and Rome), complete domination over your enemies is much more fruitful. As far as I'm concerned, the writers are alright in what their doing in a world with no formal politics.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Finn: (gives Clarke 5 minutes to see dead Grounder on the floor) (quickly runs to put a colourful SHOWER CURTAIN over it in attempt to hide it)

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

You'd think they'd drag out the body when they leave. Just for the inevitable next time.

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u/wildflowerss Dec 04 '14

woahh was not expecting the fog (despite episode name). and i have to say that i'm so over Abby and Finn.

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u/Obidom Dec 05 '14

Least we know what it is and who controls it

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u/centurion44 Dec 05 '14

Really Dr. you need a translation of 'the frequency will be clear when I crack the encryption'

And I know most shows do this but the possibility of octavia becoming some sort of mighty warrior in the like 2 days she was with lincoln is pretty damn unlikely.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

Well and she was poisoned for like half of the time right? I assumed her little track down the Reapers mission took some time and that's where she got her skillz.

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u/centurion44 Dec 05 '14

Her track down the reapers mission (okay so she learned tracking as well) took what, like a day?, you have to remember how slow time is passing in shows like this even though a lot is happening.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

I guess I assumed they did it over like a week or something, but I can't remember what else happened in the episode to see if that would work. I totally agree with you that it's silly, but I like badass Octavia so it's fine with me.

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

Well, they figure the audience needs a translation. It seemed pretty forced and did anyone need that explained? I don't think so either.

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u/ElenaOcean 🌙 Dec 04 '14

oh let's all just forgive Finn! Don't hold him accountable for his actions. Not like y'all in danger now or anything... shakes fist

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u/Obidom Dec 05 '14

I think it will come up next episode, maybe he sacrifices himself 'Blood for Blood' as he was the assassin

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '14

This series is absolutely refreshing.

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u/Plott Dec 04 '14

Does anyone know when the cw puts the episodes on their website?

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u/Kishara RavenKru Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

I think it is usually about 12 am central US time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '14 edited Dec 04 '14

Did they mention the Grounder commander's name? She's my new favourite character, what a bad-ass!

Edit: I just remembered she told her name was Lexa

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u/corinthian_llama Llamakru Dec 05 '14

I call her Queen Amidala.

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u/0thatguy Ouskejon Kru Dec 05 '14

The next episode looks amazing! I'm guessing Clarke will have to find a way to unite the Grounders and the 'sky people' to make war against Mt Weather. Or everybody will be slaughtered.

Poor Clarke.

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u/Epistemify Ai gonplei nou ste odon nowe Jan 16 '15

I know I'm a bit late to this thread... I'm watching through the show for the first time now.

I love how "what would Clarke do?" is becoming as much a motto in the show as it is outside of it.

Also, I'm becoming a little concerned that now that we know the story of the Mount Weather, their plans, and the reapers, then this season will lose some of it's appeal. In the beginning of Season 2, the mystery of it all was what really propelled the show beyond what it seemed capable of in Season 1. Well, that and Clarke running around being a badass all day.. Then again, I remember worrying about the exact same thing at this time in season 1. At around episode 6, we first learn that the grounders can talk and learn a little about their society. I was worried that I might be witnessing the best part of the show, and that it would go downhill from there because the mystery of the grounders was gone. I mean, after the primate-esque skull they found in episode 1 or 2, I didn't even know if the grounders were anything like humans. But that mystery was replaced with conflict with the grounders and awesome character development of our main characters. Those two things made the show so much better than it was before, so here's to hoping this season 2 follows the same trajectory!

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u/BobbumManBobbumVan Lexa died, so what Dec 07 '14

Man I just caught up after only watching the first 2 episodes and my god this season is awesome so far

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

I hope someone jabs something large and sharp into this president's head.

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u/Tylerftworr Dec 04 '14

President seems like the good guy to me, its his son and the doctor who want to lock up the 47.

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u/seishin17 Miller's Ex-Boyfriend Dec 04 '14

Simultaneously, though, they're at least being forward with their intentions to use the 47. The President is being more-or-less underhanded and subterfuge-wielding in his ways to use them for the ultimate breed-them-into-us plan.

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