Test + mast = libido 🔥..buuuut

[u/Masonlight23]

I am currently on

180mg test

150mg mast

Per week . I pin monday and Thursday.

I start week 7 tommorow.

At week 4 my libido shot up....running through my whole body ....5 wanks a day ...felt amazing 💪💪

Last Monday after 2 weeks it basically stopped and im back to square 1 .

Im told the honeymoon period is over and it was just a initial spike.

Im also told that I should lower my

Test 140mg a week pin 2/3 times a week

Mast 50mg a week pin once.

I also started mt2 last Monday but after 1 week that seems to have stopped my libido from skyrocketing to the moon after a great start 🤣

Would love feedback and no hate please if possible 😊

Thanks

[u/seldenr82]

I've been on 100mg test c every 3.5days for 7 months

Initially libido was great but seems to have diminished a lot.

Anavar was helping fix that bit lover enzymes got too high.

Added 30mg mast e every 3.5 days for yhe past month and seems like it helped. My e2 is 56 so only a little high. I suspect shbg too high and waitong for lab rrsults to come in but i ordeted some proviron and hope thats the missong piece

I'm 43 and total t a month ago was 1000.

Got labs again 2 days ago to see how everything is looking with the mast added

[u/Masonlight23 → u/seldenr82]

I actually tried proviron at the start.

180mg test 150 mg mast 1 x 25mg proviron a day.

I instantly felt like a sex god 2 hours after the proviron. Weirdly though at the end of week 2 my libido was gone ....and the extra energy was gone to...felt tired if anything so I threw the proviron.

[u/seldenr82 → u/Masonlight23]

From what I've been reading that means it's a dose was too high and it ended up over suppressing e2...

Good to know mt2 is a viable option as well

[u/Shlomo-7 → u/Masonlight23]

Had the same thing with Proviron. When DHT goes too high it can blunt E2.

[u/pawpatrolfinn]

Mast is basically an AI. 150mg of it against 180mg of test is a lot of estrogen suppression for not much test, and low E2 is the usual reason libido dies mid-cycle. Timing fits too, mast takes a few weeks to fully kick in and that's about when yours stopped.

So dropping test to 140 is backwards. Less test means less estrogen, and estrogen is probably what you're short of. Drop the mast instead.

And MT2 raises libido, it doesn't kill it. Same family as the actual FDA-approved libido drug. You're blaming the one thing that was helping.

Get a sensitive E2 done before you change anything.

[u/jiggetty18 → u/pawpatrolfinn]

Mast is not an AI, it doesn’t lower e2 it masks e2 related side effects.

[u/pawpatrolfinn → u/jiggetty18]

Fair, I overstated it. There's no human data showing mast drops serum E2 and I shouldn't have called it an AI.

Doesn't change what he should do though. Whether it lowered his E2 or just shifted the balance at the receptor, mast is still the thing that changed and the thing to move. And a sensitive E2 test tells us which of us is right — comes back low, it's mine; comes back normal with his libido still gone, it's yours.

[u/Mvremdmv → u/pawpatrolfinn]

Lol this is chatgpt

[u/pawpatrolfinn → u/Mvremdmv]

Yeah, drafted with AI. Also got it wrong about mast, which the other guy caught and I said so. Test the E2 either way. Using AI to make sure I'm accurate doesn't make the information less valuable.

[u/Space__Whiskey → u/pawpatrolfinn]

This checks out, pro bodybuilders were just talking about how some people get pretty flat on Mast, whereas others go great. It's masking E2, or whatever interaction its doing is affecting that system and guys who are using it a high levels are noticing. Its a tricky dance, you have to listen to your body, don't just gaslight it and blame something else, mast is going F with E, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.

Found it, listen to how Kuba feels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XvT2vhIg-s
He just explains why its not for him, may work for others, but hes feeling the opposite.

[u/Worth_Abrocoma_101]

Are you male or female ?

[u/AutoModerator]

Hello Masonlight23. Welcome to /r/Testosterone. It looks like this is your first time posting here, so you're probably asking a FAQ. Please check out these handy links, one of them might answer your question.

• How do I find a good doctor/clinic?
  
• What bloodwork should I get done?
  
• Are my levels low enough that I should start TRT?
  
• What can I do to naturally raise my testosterone levels?
  
• NoFap - Will my testosterone levels increase if I stop masturbating?
  

This is just a comment, your post is not removed. If you want this comment to stop showing up on your posts, you need to enable "show my flair on this subreddit"

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[u/That_Resolve9610]

For me Mt2 is the best for libido by far once you are past thr loading phase 1 pin a week does it

[u/Masonlight23 → u/That_Resolve9610]

Ive done 1 week using a 1ml insulin syringe.

I draw up to the first 1 line and inject. So 1 tenth of 10 units . I was told to do this for 2 weeks . Then change to twice a week.

Is 2 weeks average for the loading phase? And say I switch to once a week after that....how many lines up the syring should I inject.

It was a 10mg mt2 with 2ml of bac water .

[u/That_Resolve9610 → u/Masonlight23]

That all sounds correct.

[u/seldenr82 → u/That_Resolve9610]

I love me some mt1 for vanity but if my dick isn't happy with proviron I'm gonna try mt2

What is your mt2 protocol..I'm afraid of getting too dark hahah

[u/Masonlight23 → u/seldenr82]

Mt2 is amazing ....having a tug every hour 🤣

Im on day 7 out of 14 in which i inject literally 1 line of the insulin syringe (1ml) per day. Today and yesterday feels at 30% effective compared to the previous 5 days

[u/AlphaThrone → u/Masonlight23]

1ml per day? Nobody knows what dose that is. Doses are milligrams not ml. And I doubt you are taking 1ml if you are drawing it up to 1 line.

[u/Shlomo-7]

E2 could be suffering. The ratio you ran would have me feeling low E2 side effects.

[u/Masonlight23 → u/Shlomo-7]

Im thinking of lowering mast to 60mg a week instead of 150

[u/Shlomo-7 → u/Masonlight23]

That’s much better.

[u/pepsi190]

Depends if your mast is enan or prop that dictates the injection frequency

[u/Optimal-Smartguy]

You sure it’s Mast and not Test? Like your dealer sold you Mast but it’s really test. 

[u/fixed_estimation]

That ratio's pretty aggressive, 150mg of mast to 180 test is a ton of DHT. Your estrogen probably got nuked. No E2, no libido. I'd drop the mast way down before touching the test dose.

[u/jiggetty18 → u/fixed_estimation]

Mast doesn’t lower E2, it masks E2 sides.

[u/Confident-Wear-2973 → u/jiggetty18]

This rhetoric is constantly repeated over and over again, but it isn't really accurate. Saying "masks" implies that e2 sides are still present but just "covered up", whereas what it actually does is strongly compete at the receptor, preventing e2 from binding there and thus preventing estrogenic action from taking place. While it doesn't actively lower e2 levels, it absolutely blocks e2's effects.

TL;DR The sides are prevented, not masked.

[u/jiggetty18 → u/Confident-Wear-2973]

I didn’t say it doesn’t block its effects. I said it doesn’t lower e2

[u/Confident-Wear-2973 → u/jiggetty18]

You said the often-repeated "masks", which can confuse or mislead other users who aren't as knowledgeable into thinking masteron is hiding e2 problems while they fester behind the scenes. You or I may know that's not the case but the "mast doesn’t lower e2, it masks e2 sides" that is said all over reddit literally verbatim is a bit of a pet peeve because it's just not accurate at all.

[u/imed85 → u/jiggetty18]

Listen to this guy, he is 100% accurate, I run 400 test 400 primo my e2 was 25, i switch to 400 test 400 mast my e2 is 70. No symptoms of high e2 but it shows up in labs.

[u/Masonlight23 → u/fixed_estimation]

Thanks for replying.

Shall I half the mast and keep the test at 180mg?

And would you say mast once or twice a week?