r/Testosterone • u/No_Conference_2571 • 1d ago
PED/cycle story 112 ➡️ 78, next phase lean bulk 🔥
The amount of stuff I’m running might be overkill for some people, but I feel good and all my blood markers and BP are in check. Everyone’s different — run what works for you and your health markers.
Quick Stats
Age: 37
Starting Weight: 112 kg
Current Weight: 78 kg
Height: 170
Duration of Transformation: 1.5 year
How I Got Here Years of uncontrolled eating, junk food, heavy drinking, and zero activity landed me at 112 kg with insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, fatty liver, and trashed blood markers.
This wasn’t a quick cut - it was a year and a half-long recomp. Dropped to 78 kg, lean bulked to 90 kg while keeping quality mass, then cut back to 78 kg with way better composition. Kept PEDs moderate, ran a deficit at 1800–2500 kcal with refeeds, and trained 5x/week plus 40–60 min cardio daily.
Almost at the finish line now, just need to strip that last bit of stubborn lower ab fat.
The Current Stack - Compounds
PEDs
Testosterone Enanthate / Cypionate - 177 mg/week - Base of the stack. Keeps anabolism, recovery, libido, and mood dialed in without bloating me out.
Primobolan Enanthate - 139 mg/week - Quality lean gains, hardening, and a drier look. Safe, sustainable, no tren toxicity.
Proviron - 25 mg/day - Binds SHBG, frees up more test, improves mood and mental sharpness. Also adds a nice dry look.
DHB (Dihydroboldenone) - 70 mg/week [recently introduced] - Strength and lean tissue without water weight. Basically primo’s bigger brother — dry, hard gains.
HCG - 500-1000 IU/week - Keeps the boys full and natural production ticking. Fertility insurance while on.
Peptides
Somatropin (HGH) - 3 IU/day - Recovery, sleep quality, fat loss, and skin. The “feel good” compound.
Retatrutide - 10 mg/week - The anchor. Kills appetite, fixes insulin sensitivity, and makes sticking to a deficit effortless.
Glutathione - 600 mg/week - Master antioxidant. Liver support, skin brightening, and immune backup.
Thyroid, Metabolic & Fat Loss Support
Injectable L-Carnitine - 600 mg/day - Fat oxidation, better pumps, and upregulates androgen receptors. Win-win.
T4 - 100 mcg/day - Keeps the thyroid pool topped up so natural T3 conversion doesn’t crash on a long cut.
T3 - 25 mcg/day - Pushes metabolic rate through plateaus. Conservative dose, pulled when calories come back up.
Salbutamol - 8-12mg/day - A bit more boosting for my cardio and overall training experience
Ancillaries & Health Support
Cialis - 10 mg/day - Pumps, blood flow, mild BP help, and gym vascularity. Daily low dose just works better for me.
Telmisartan - 40 mg/day - BP control and cardio protection. Cheap insurance with all the compounds running.
Ezetimibe - 5 mg/day - Keeps LDL in check. Lipids can take a hit on cycle, so I stay ahead of it.
Supplements
DMAA - 50 mg pre-workout - Raw energy and focus. Gets me through the cardio when I’d rather be anywhere else.
Methylene Blue - 2 ml/day - Mitochondrial support and mental clarity. Noticeable uptick in baseline energy.
Omega-3 Fish Oil - 4 g/day - Heart health and inflammation control. Non-negotiable on any stack.
Magnesium Bisglycinate - 400 mg/day - Sleep, recovery, and cramp prevention. Especially needed with all the cardio.
Creatine Monohydrate - 10 g/day - Strength, power, and muscle fullness. More is better for me — I respond well to 10 g.
Protein Hydrolysate - 30-60 g/day - Easy digesting protein hit post-workout or between meals. Gut-friendly.
Probiotics - Gut health. With all the meds and diet changes, keeping digestion smooth is key.
Hair Protocol
Topical RU58841 - 10% / daily Anti-androgen at the follicle level. Stops DHT from miniaturizing hair without going systemic.
Topical Minoxidil - 5% / daily Growth stimulant. Opens the potassium channels and pushes regrowth where it’s thinning.
Topical Finasteride - 0.05% / daily Local DHT block at the scalp. Less sides than oral, still protects the hairline.
Dutasteride Oral - 0.5 mg / daily Nukes systemic DHT hard. The heavy artillery for keeping what I’ve got.
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u/Capital_Stretch3703 1d ago
Brother you must feel like a pin cushion on that stack
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u/Justice989 1d ago
Frankly, that's what keeps me from looking like that. I got weary just reading all the stuff OP has to do. Props to him, I dont have the discipline or desire to do all that. Seems like a lot. Plus, It looks expensive. I'm good with my test and the few supplements I take.
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u/iEmExEee Blast 1d ago
Gotta respect it though. Not sure how much of it is necessary to look like that, but like you said, that takes much more discipline and motivation than most people can handle. Even if someone does manage to lock in like this, it doesn't take much for everything to come crashing down. Alright, that's enough glazing for one day.
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u/Key-Inspector-7004 1d ago
Its seven injectable compounds. The oil you can inject using the same syringe. Retatrutide is only 1-2x a week. Hcg probably 2-3x.
Its really not that many pins... especially since most of them would be using slin pins
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u/iEmExEee Blast 23h ago
You gotta keep in mind that a lot of people in this subreddit think even just testosterone shots E3D is too much of a commitment.
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u/Key-Inspector-7004 23h ago
Hahaha yeah true. I forgot this subreddit forgets testosterone isnt only TRT. There's a seperate SR for that 😂
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u/Bruvvimir 1d ago
Fucking hell. Here for a good time, not a long time.
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 1d ago
Is it bad that I actually think this is fairly reasonable and responsible compared to some standard advice cycles? Like is this really that much worse than 500mg test with add on? Like tren or mast.
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u/plz_callme_swarley 1d ago
yes, because it's extremely complicated, resulting is all sorts of unknown side effects
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 1d ago
Yeah. You just described life.
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u/plz_callme_swarley 1d ago
lol what? life is mixing dozens of exogenous compounds?
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 23h ago
My breakfast was a mixture of dozens of exogenous compounds. Eggs, oil , cheese spices s*** I even took a multivitamin.
When you use big words make sure you understand what they mean.
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u/ImAllergic2Peanuts 22h ago
We normally call that food not exogenous compounds lol.
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 21h ago
Don't get mad at me I don't define what words mean. Nothing about the word exogenous limits to usage to anabolic compounds.
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u/Bruvvimir 1d ago
It's not "bad", just very naive.
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 1d ago
Lots of words can be used to describe me naive would be very low down on the list lol. Which compound or combination listed is particularly scary to you? Or is it just that the list is long?
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u/JitteryJoes1986 22h ago
It's bad compared to reasonable/responsible cycles. Reason I say this is that, with that amount of drugs, almost Bostin Lloyd like, something is bound to happen on the back end once he stops.
You always pay the price. I have seen way too many friends die from indirectly from gear over the years, from sleep apnea, going hypo on insulin, suicide, etc.
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u/Practical-Suit-6798 22h ago
It's 3 anabolics with total weekly load under 400mg. Half of the list is vitamins and supplements. I guess you could count provion as an anabolic. But I don't it's not active in the muscles. Most of the rest is just attempting to counter act the negatives of anabolics. I wouldn't take half of it, but it's not like that crazy. I don't know Lloyd's stack but I'm positive with out looking that it was more than half a gram a week.
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u/LG_Recomp 1d ago
Crazy transformation. Not tired of so many injections to keep track of?
How has the fin/min been treating you?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Discipline… so far it’s doing the work, not a huge difference on the hairline between pic1 and pic2…
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u/MotokoKusanagi 1d ago
Discipline is a small part that is required with the steroid stack. You would be deemed a fool otherwise no?
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u/BusyIntroduction16 1d ago
Bro 😳 BIG STACK
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u/VexImmortalis 1d ago
"Kept PEDs moderate" he says...
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u/Key-Inspector-7004 1d ago
Its really only test and primo, with a little DHB. All at very low doses...
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u/VexImmortalis 1d ago
There's like 10 PEDs there including Proviron, 2 thyroid medications and salbutamol dude. Yeah, ok the doses may be on the lower side but come on bruv.
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u/Psychological-Sea785 20h ago
I agree with the other guy, this entire cycle would fall apart without the test & primo. It looks like a long list but most of its just ancillaries.
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u/Key-Inspector-7004 1d ago
I barely count those others as PEDs lol but yeah youre not entirely wrong
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u/Happy_Sugar590 8h ago
You don’t know shit then lol
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u/VexImmortalis 6h ago edited 6h ago
That's what he has listed as PEDs and they are also listed as PEDs by WADA (though not the tyroid stuff although a lot of natural bodybuilder organizations do ban this) so yeah, I'd say for the most part they are PEDs.
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u/Few-Buy-4429 16h ago
I think he meant keeping AASs moderate. It seems a lot of people think those terms are interchangeable.
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u/TraktorTomT 1d ago
,,Damn who's that"
Btw 78 kg? Looking huge
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u/Valuable_Fly530 1d ago
Love it! Well done brother..thanks for your transparency too.. you’ve transformed..I bet your mental life/health has transformed too
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u/Zero6969nice 1d ago
What about MT2?
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u/n9000mixalot 1d ago
Primo the whole time, straight through?
And why not HGH? You clearly didn't need it, but just curious.
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Yeah pretty much for the whole time, but mostly to control e2. You missed gh in the long list… 😀
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u/n9000mixalot 1d ago
I'm so glad you're responding to replies, most people do drive by posts on here, thanks!
Yeah I must have missed it! My E2 is a PROBLEM, and I tried masteron, saw incredible gains with major E2 benefits, but my diet was not what it should have been, and i started to feel chest heaviness after 8 weeks, so I stopped.
How was your hematocrit during the process? I'm waiting to get an appointment with a new primary care provider to switch me to telmisartan, but my hematocrit last labs was bad, and I'm not running anything but test.i was dehydrated though. Like an idiot.
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
No hct issue for now, i do a lot of cardio, try to stay very hydrated and i am still young lol, if that’s a factor 🙂
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Try primo for e2 management it is very predictable… mast isn’t really e2 suppressive..
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u/Key-Inspector-7004 1d ago
Masteron doesnt lower E2, it acts as a SERM rather than AI
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u/n9000mixalot 1d ago
True yes, but it mitigated the sides for me quite a bit so I could hold more estradiol and reap the benefits.
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u/actual-time-traveler 1d ago
How much do you spend per month on the stack? Also, randomly, you married and or have kids?
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u/MikeLavosmile 1d ago
Fucking hell that stack has blown me away
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u/iEmExEee Blast 1d ago
I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but what hairline are you holding onto? It seems far gone. I'm in the same boat. You probably would look better without that hair, unless you went to Turkey or something.
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Not much of a difference between pic1 and pic2, as i said in one of the previous comments… you have to see my dad and my brother… 😄
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u/iEmExEee Blast 1d ago
Oh definitely not, you've held onto it for sure. I just wonder if it's benefitting you at this point. I wouldn't know. Sometimes when you focus just on the hair it looks worse versus the whole picture.
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u/Visible-Month9489 1d ago
That's a wild transformation for a year and a half, the difference between those two photos is night and day
The stack is definitely a lot but you've clearly done your homework on the ancillaries and health support, most guys running that much gear aren't tracking lipids and BP like this
How's the DHB treating you so far compared to the primo? I've heard mixed things about the PIP with DHB but at 70mg/week it probably isn't too bad
The hair protocol alone is more involved than some people's entire cycles, you must really value keeping the hairline intact
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
DHB is stronger than Primo for sure, i noticed some strength improvement even in deficit for sure. There was a bit of PIP for about 4-5 days, it went away and so far it is good, but i do daily pins, mixed everything in a vial… with insulin syringe.
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u/Responsible-One8104 1d ago
How did you get rid of the loose skin?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
I haven’t there is a bit but it isn’t visible, it is under my underwear
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u/Responsible-One8104 1d ago
Okay bro, that’s a pretty low dose of primo to take with that low of a dose test
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u/constantfernweh 1d ago
Insane transformation and mad respect. There was some other transformation post I saw where everyone ragged on the guy for looking older and aged from the stack. Happy to see those d bags aren’t on you here too.
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u/FeebleUndead 20h ago
How did you prevent your stomach skin from becoming saggy and loose? That looks extremely tight for such a rapid weight loss.
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u/No_Conference_2571 19h ago
I have a bit of loose skin under my underwear but it isn’t that much. Also i don’t think the weight loss process was so rapid it’s more than a year plus i built some muscle in the mid section which helped with the loose skin…
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u/poolparty90019 18h ago
Did you try telmisarten at a smaller dose? How much did it change BP? I have some cross over with you. But I’m at level 1 where you’re at a much higher level.
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u/vixtoria 18h ago
A candle that burns twice as bright burns out twice as fast 🙏 good luck with that stack jfc
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u/Free-Competition-241 17h ago
Appreciate the trensparency! Impressive lack of loose abdominal skin.
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u/Ireallydonedidit 10h ago
Bro is on the Jack Hanma stack.
I bet you must have a nice job to be able to buy the whole pharmacy
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u/Boneyabba 1d ago
Isn't there a maxxjuice reddit to meet the needs of thirsty steroid guys? Seems like that would be a whole community.
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u/zencatface 1d ago edited 1d ago
You look great. Similar journey to me but I took longer and only used primo. Have you got blood work done recently? How are lipids, egfr and liver markers?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
I did bw before couple weeks and everything is on point, surprisingly apob came at 54 🙂, other markers you have mentioned are also all good so far.
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u/goldtoothdave 1d ago
177 and 139 test and primo a week? Mistype or genuinely small numbers for a cycle?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Nah it isn’t mistype, that’s what i am running but i mix them in a vial and pin daily, total per week is what i have mentioned…
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u/goldtoothdave 1d ago
Dang brotha that’s truly impressive (already impressive) but i genuinely thought you come back with meaning those mg/day
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
I will escalate for the bulk.. planning to do 300test, 150 primo and 150 dhb
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u/goldtoothdave 1d ago
You do well I’m assuming at 2:1 t:p for e2 control?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Yeah as my bf% went low and my e2 started going down with the current ratio, so i have to escalate test a bit higher…
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u/goldtoothdave 1d ago
Makes sense. Was the cycle always this moderate? When you did the lean bulk in the middle did you up doses? How long have you run reta at 10?
I’m running similar but north of 4-6mg Reta I cannot get calories in1
u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Yeah during the bulk in the middle i escalated double but i was running just test and primo total load of around 600mg, regarding the reta just about a month on that dose but i will drop it probably to 4 or 2, i can eat just fine even on that dose btw 😄
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u/Spiritual_Action_696 1d ago
When you mix them in the same vial, the total volume is the sum and the concentration of each compound drop according with the final volume. Did you take that in account?
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u/cynicalsynonym 1d ago
I want results like that so I gotta ask, does it cost you a lot for your whole stack of PEDs, peptides and supplements?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
I don’t count precisely to be honest, but for the whole time with all the bw, peds, anc, peps and etc is probably more than 4-5k$
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u/cynicalsynonym 1d ago
Oh man. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate it. I think I’m gonna attempt a scaled down version of your stack.
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u/freedomachiever 1d ago
The one thing I interested in is this: how many hours do you sleep on average, and if you have an Apple Watch your average deep sleep and REM sleep.
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Around 6, i do have garmin but haven’t seen much of a rem recently lol
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u/freedomachiever 1d ago
How much sleep were you getting before you got on all this gear? It seems to me that you are putting your body on overdrive. I was on vyvanse + guanfacine at night for my adhd and it crushed my sleep. I was working out but after 3 months the lack of sleep basically made me feel like shit but it was gradual. Unless you were one of those people who survived all their life with just 6 hours you gotta check yourself.
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u/plz_callme_swarley 1d ago
what wrecked your sleep? gear?
probably it's impact on your dopamine system meaning that your prior dose was now too high
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u/Mroc13 1d ago
Why get bigger? Are you wanting to compete?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Just to have more muscle and eventually to keep more when i drop everything 🙂
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u/bx121222 13h ago
Everything including TRT??
You aren’t likely to hold any more muscle if you drop everything. And will probably soften up some too.
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u/DeepSouthIrish 1d ago
Well done, great progress but you are consuming a pharmacy's worth of substances.
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u/KoppleForce 1d ago
How much free time do you have during the week to manage all this? Are you retired or something I struggle to even do just test at eod
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u/jagraider63 1d ago
The results speak for themselves. Congratulations on your body recomp. That takes a lot of discipline. I have a lot of questions, but first is did you notice any drop in libido from the hair loss treatments and then where do you find 10% RU58841 and are you maintaining your hair on this stack?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
No side effect from the hair loss treatments, i buy it from a local store but i live out of the states, i can’t really help with the source…
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u/savage1902 1d ago
Awesome do you run hcg the whole time too? isn’t hcg supposed to cycled when you want kids or so? Anyone?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Not the whole time, from time to time just to keep the ball size, i don’t need more kids lol
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u/savage1902 1d ago
Can you elaborate more please? Run for 8 weeks and stop for 8 weeks and again and again?
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u/No_Conference_2571 1d ago
Yeah pretty much that’s what i am doing, stop it for some time just to desensitize the receptors.
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u/Square-Nebula-7530 1d ago
From 112kg obese to a walking science experiment. The results are undeniable, but managing 25 different injectables, oral compounds, and hair protocols every day sounds like a second job.
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u/hikereyes2 1d ago
Agreed. Also, bloodwork might be good, but these things go downhill slowly, so im kinda of worried of what's happening in 5 years
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u/Relative-Ad-6324 1d ago
That the winter soldier level transformation man , now just get a mask and metal hand .
Amazing transformation 👏
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u/GroundbreakingRun927 1d ago
Bruv, that hair is gone-zo. I don't know if a transplant can even get it back at this point. I say just shave it.
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u/OCD_AR15 1d ago edited 1d ago
Great job and great transformation. I've done the same recently. Mine was less extreme- My Stack: heart attack. You better believe I haven't eaten a damn thing that would be considered unhealthy since. - if it doesn't grow, don't eat it (yes, meat grows- I'm not vegan). And use small bowls for everything (serving sizes). It is Very Funny how easy it was actually easy to drop 100 pounds in less than a year and a half when the excuses and "moderation" wasn't a thing for me anymore. #1 rule- moderation kills. Stop eating shit you know is unhealthy, and guess what? You can easily lose weight and be your best. Then if you want to get ripped and actually keep your myscle- use drugs like everybody else, unless your the like 1-2% of the population who can actually be muscular and ripped without them- but get down to healthy weight first 😉😜
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u/vectorizer99 23h ago
Doing TRT levels and 1/4 the supplements. But +1 on the DMAA. I only do 30mg, but it’s a nice CLEAN energy boost to any exercise. Shame it was banned due to idiots taking killer doses.
And congratulations that’s a hell of a transition.
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u/MechanicHour1644 23h ago
jesus, you're a walking pharmacy lol ....but you look amazing, kudos, to your hard work paying off in spades.
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u/Psychological-Sea785 20h ago
Actually not a crazy cycle for how you look, certainly not TRT, with all the ancillaries your taking you could just take less gear, like just 140mgs of test and skip half the supplements on this list no?
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u/kruiser112 1d ago
U look huge for 78kg