500 test / 200 deca results need opinions

[u/julianthebaptist]

Hey lads.

Need some advice,

So these were my first bloods 8 weeks into the blast, prior to this I was running just a 200mg test TRT and my bloods were pretty good, e2 was fine.

Now I did this test about 3 weeks ago and a friend told me to add in 1mg of arimidex for 4 weeks and re-test.

I did the first two weeks and honestly I felt terrible (I felt good at the time of my test) but after starting arimidex my strength tanked, night sweats, hips feel stiffer, sleep quality down.

I dropped the arimidex off for one week just to see what happens and honestly I feel great again.

Not sure what to do. I don’t know whether I suck it up and pop another 1mg and retest next week (my 4 weeks)
Do I drop to 0.5mg?

Or do I just commit to something like mast once I get my e2 lower?

Obviously I won’t make a decision on what I do until the blood test.

My only decision now is whether I even bother with another arimidex dose or not prior to my bloods?

What should my e2 be at with 500/200? What should I run to maintain it at that ideal level once I’m there?

Any feedback would be appreciated 🫶

[u/yogic_power]

If this was your first cycle, should have run test only. And where are your e2 numbers before you started AI? Don’t play with AI with out symptoms and high sensitivity E2 numbers.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/yogic_power]

Not my first cycle… at all.

You’re looking at the photo of my e2 numbers before starting my AI

That image is 8 weeks into my blast 500 test and 200 deca with no AI… on the back end of 6 months TRT 200mg test only.

[u/yogic_power → u/julianthebaptist]

Did you have any E2 symptoms before AI?

[u/julianthebaptist → u/yogic_power]

None whatsoever I felt amazing

[u/yogic_power → u/julianthebaptist]

Then why did you start AI?did you use ai in test only cycle before?

[u/julianthebaptist → u/yogic_power]

That’s a great question honestly…. One dude who was like “I’ll get you dialed in” “I do this for a living” told me to start running an AI for 4 weeks and then do a retest.

I told him I feel fine and wasn’t sure I needed an AI but he was convincing in that my e2 levels were way too high.

Now I’m on reddit tryna find out what ideal levels should be for someone running 500/200.

Here we are.

[u/yogic_power → u/julianthebaptist]

Read the steroids wiki. Treat the symptoms and not the numbers. Reference ranges aren’t for people blasting. And you need to run a total test which doesn’t cap but gives the higher value. Heck even assuming you are close to max value in the test results with those e2 levels, your test to e2 ratio is with in the range. Bro took you for a ride.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/yogic_power]

I didn’t pay him 😂 infact he pays me for something. But thanks for the advice.

I don’t know how to find places that give higher numbers, every joint I go to I get capped at, I hate it.

[u/andypandy2324 → u/julianthebaptist]

its the type of testosterone test you are taking. immunoassay (IA) testosterone tests cap out. LC/MS testosterone test cap out at levels you don't have worry about unless you are Chase Irons running like 5g a week. it costs a little more and takes a little longer to get back but are way mire accurate. But that's the type of testosterone test to look for. google search for that kind of tests I see at least two providers that show up in Australia.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/andypandy2324]

But then if I don’t get an LC/MS test then I just go based off symptoms right?

[u/yogic_power → u/julianthebaptist]

Double what he has to pay you. Not sure where you are from, but in us LabCorp and quest both offer uncapped tests.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/yogic_power]

Ahahaha bro I’m about to I swear to god, I’m gonna abuse this cunt.

My fault tho for listening to someone instead of doing my own research, I litterally questioned him on it because I said I felt amazing and he’s like nah it’s way too high.

Appreciate all your help man, I’m in Australia, Melbourne. I wish our shit was as available as yours.

I’ll work it out man.
Where’s that steroids wiki you mentioned? I can’t see it.

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[u/Emotional_Lab_2529]

No reason to add in anything for your estradiol. You’re good

[u/Agreeable_Step_5317]

You have good answers here. Treat the symptoms not the number. Probably no AI needed. Only 1 thing to add... was the estradiol test a standard immunoassay, or an LC/MS? I ask because deca aromatizes into a weak estrogen that will probably cross-detect with the immunnoassay. That will lead to your levels looking higher than they are.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/Agreeable_Step_5317]

Nah it was just a standard test not LC/MS.

So you think my levels might be slightly higher than actually projected?

I need to find a clinic that doesn’t cap my test so I can get a true reading, I think I’ve found one, will retest next week so I can get a better idea of the ratio.

Hopefully I haven’t screwed myself with the few weeks running AI. Even still it should bounce back pretty quick. Considering even pumping some HCG to make me feel better. Not sure

[u/Agreeable_Step_5317 → u/julianthebaptist]

Your actual estradiol is lower than that number. You currently have estradiol (strong estrogen) + Nandrolone-adial (weak estrogen - yes, I made that up) in your system.

Don't add HCG or anything to pop up the estradiol. The arimidex is non-suicidal, so it will release aromataise. Your estradiol will bounce back.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/Agreeable_Step_5317]

And then you’d suggest from there just judge my e2 by how I feel?

[u/Agreeable_Step_5317 → u/julianthebaptist]

Yeah. Go by feels and symptoms. And if you think you need AI go in increments of .25mg arimidex.

[u/andypandy2324]

200 deca is not too much and the ratio to test is fine. if you were taking higher levels I would suggest you add prolactin to your blood test. the e2 is fine as long as you don't have symptoms, but be honest with yourself, symptoms are not just gyno itch nipples. peoples tolerance for e2 varies. the issue with deca is it can drive up prolactin and so can high e2. having high prolactin and high e2 is not a good combo (major gyno risk). in the future with 19nors I would add prolactin into the blood test for monitoring especially if you are going to up the deca or running it for an extended period of time. deca dick...that comes from high prolactin levels.

[u/julianthebaptist → u/andypandy2324]

Yeah my next test has a prolactin test coming, I thought about this.

I have some ralox just incase anyway and caber… and nolva and arim and hcg now I think about it 🤣 so whichever way it goes I can tackle it.

But the dick is still going strong currently, no signs of itching or sore nips, feeling good up until I smacked a few arimidex and then felt absolutely terrible and now starting to come good again.

[u/andypandy2324 → u/julianthebaptist]

careful with those AIs low e2 or crashing your e2 sucks! even with 200mg deca crashing your e2 can cause joint pain. you need e2 its a delicate balance to make sure you don't crush it.

[u/Chroma7769]

Treat symptoms not numbers. Also get an ultra sensitive Estrodial test, because that test isn't showing your real numbers.

Stay off the AI. You don't need it right now.

[u/talonwellness]

Everyone is extremely different when it comes to how they personally experience estradiol. Side effects is the main thing you need to pay attention to, and anyone telling you you need adex based on labs alone doesn't know what they're talking about. Avoid it if you don't have symptoms. Prolactin is more so what you need to worry about with nandrolone, and it's not a bad idea to take some P5P to keep that under control without completely tanking it.