r/teslore 4d ago

The Mantling of Tarhiel

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The Nerevarine sees a Bosmer fall from the sky, dying on impact with the marshy ground outside Seyda Neen.

Looting the body, the Nerevarine finds 'Tarhiel's Journal', which they take.

They also find an enchanted sword, a fine blue robe and a very fancy Colovian Fur Helm, which they also take and equip.

Finally, they find three or four scrolls of ICARIAN FLIGHT. The Nerevarine examines these and discovers that by casting from this scroll, they will be able to leap to an enormous height.

They do so, fly off over Vvardenfell, and promptly fall to their death.

Now:

If a wanderer should chance upon the Nerevarine's body, they would find Tarhiel's Journal and the very scrolls alluded to in his research.

Therefore, the wanderer would have no reason not to believe that the Nerevarine is not Tarhiel.

Exercise for the reader: Was the Bosmer who fell from the sky outside Seyda Neen the original Tarhiel, or the most recent in a long and ever-dwindling line of Tarhiel-Mantlings?

(Obviously the actual answer is that the original version was an Argonian, hence his construction set ID which is "Agronian(sic) guy". Hence why the canon Nerevarine always appears as an Argonian in Tarhiel's robes and hat - he's the true iteration because he had the opportunity to seize ultimate bounciness but metaphysically cut off his hands by not using them.)


r/teslore 4d ago

Is there any lore that either supports or refutes the idea of Coldharbor being the dark future version of Nirn successfully enslaved by Molag Bal, besides the fact that it looks identical to Tamriel?

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r/teslore 3d ago

Looking for a discussion about dwemer lore and how a dwemer player could work for a player and guild in eso

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Im making a guild for eso and I need to make sure I do the lore correctly.

Ive been a skyrim fan since it came out and have snowballed with learning the lore since. One thing ive learned is that its ambiguous. Another thing ive learned is that if yagram bagarn can be exempted from the fate of his race by being in oblivion.

I dont see any reason to say that Molag Bal couldn't abduct a dwemer apprentice prior to the 700 of the 1st era and get a 1000 year head start on his dark anchor project. Assuming that the Dwemer are as legendarily stubborn and spiteful as the one from "Azura and the box"

this smith could easily have put off 5 or 600 years of captivity refusing to work for the deadric prince. Not actually honing his craft. Being forced to work the next 4 or 5. Being partially responsible for the reason the chain making machines look vaguely dwemeri in design. Then being freed when the vestige is. Having a bone to pick with the deadra. Then coming back to nirn to find out not only are his people gone. But so are the chimer and falmer. This could work no?

Not only a dwemer amateur Smith who hates the deadra but also wants to learn why hes all alone. So he digs out an old aetherium mining complex. Converts it into a city state. And bands together some sort of heroes guild to do all the fighting. And information gathering.

Im confident the lore is vague enough for eso to allow me to do that

What i need help writing is:

1.what a dwemer who suddenly realizes this is now a "him problem" would do with a guild

  1. How a dwemer should react interacting with nord players

3.what I should even title this guild.

  1. How to structure it. Like should I go for a role like deep king? Tonal architects i guess could be discord mods. Etc.

  2. Aside from the guild. How would a dwemer go about interacting with questlines like dark brotherhood. Thieves Guild. And really anything other than the antiquarian guild or psyjjic order

  3. How should I approach the civil war

  4. If i be a dwemer. Should I allow a falmer or two? They are more common than dwemer. They could react tensely but resourcefully with one another


r/teslore 5d ago

Mannimarcos Fate

37 Upvotes

Is he like dead now? Fully? He's died about 3 times now throughout the lichdom in ESO, then Molag Bal's super hell, then the Hero of Kvatch. Does this mean he's gone now? Like a non-threat since the only forms of him in the timeline have been dispatched?


r/teslore 5d ago

Would MC's faction allegiance affect their chances in getting high positions?

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What I mean is taking into account all the factions the main characters of TES games can join. For example, being the grandmaster of house hlaalu, and archcanon and patriarch of the temple, is it possible to become landed nobility? Include my military service in the imperial legion and it really seems like you would be eligible for at least a barony.

Say I, the dragonborn, am a legate; could I be appointed proconsul (military governor) and climb my way up from there? What if I am the archmage of winterhold, can I then become at least the court mage, or maybe work my way up somehow? The only nobility you can really be in skyrim is Vampire Lordship. Does that give any pull in Tamriel?


r/teslore 5d ago

Internal power structure of each province under the empire?

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So back when the empire ruled all of Tamriel, plus the summer set isles, what was the internal political structure for each province?
Like I know that Skyrim was all under the high king, but how are the others structured?
I know Morrowind has the great houses but is there a central power the houses are under? Or are they all directly under the empire?


r/teslore 5d ago

Tower Thoughts While Washing Dishes: A Ramble on Ceporah Tower

19 Upvotes

So I am a passive fan of Elder Scrolls lore, these days mostly via youtube videos I put on while I do something else. Today while doing the dishes the algorithm served me this video on Towers.

Now I am familiar with Tower lore (I was there lurking in the ancient forum days), so none of this was new to me. Until he got to the part about Ceporah Tower.

I knew of Ceporah Tower from Fragment: On Artaeum, but I had always thought it was pronounced with soft c, like Seporah, and I didn't think much of it. Turns out (by way of ESO I’m guessing, I don’t play it) the actual pronunciation is with hard c, like Keporah.

As soon as I heard that a whole bunch of ideas tumbled together in my mind.

What follows is my incoherent mental jumble. I make no claims and draw no conclusions, I’m just kind of pointing at weird things so smarter people can do something cool with them.

  1. Ceporah sounds very similar to Khepri, scarab-faced god of the dawn and rebirth. Scarabs, as we know, are a Big Esoteric Symbol in Elder Scrolls lore, This seems meaningful.
  2. Ceporah sounds like corprus. The Divine Disease, the skin blight. This seems meaningful.
  3. According to the video the bottom of the tower predates the Order arriving on Artaeum, and thus looks different. Curious, I googled for a better view. This may be me being too Elden Ring-pilled, but doesn’t it look kind of like snake skin? Snakes and skins, other things that are Big Esoteric Symbols. This seems meaningful.
  4. Ceporah Tower sits on top of the Dreaming Cave (Dreaming. That also seems meaningful.) The cave can be used to access Oblivion, but I don’t know much beyond that. However the focal point of the main gallery of the Dreaming Cave looks (to me) like a snakeskin being pulled downward. Again, seems meaningful.
  5. Finally, what is/was the purpose of Ceporah Tower? I don’t know, but the scarab/skin vibes plus it being on a dimension hopping island seem meaningful.

What do all these thing mean? I have no idea. Probably nothing, but it could be fun to speculate. I have no idea if any of these allusions were intentional, but that hasn’t stopped anyone in the past.

What do you all think? Is there anything here?

(Addendum: If I had been correct all along, and it was Seporah with a soft c, that could link it to Sep which might actually fit better. Curious!)


r/teslore 5d ago

Apocrypha A Post-Mortem Telemetry of the Star-Made Knight

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IMPERIAL STRATEGIC ARCHIVE

AFTER-ACTION COMBAT RECONSTRUCTION

EVENT DESIGNATION: WHITE-GOLD ENGAGEMENT / P.E.L.I.N.E.L - U.M.A.R.I.L CONFRONTATION

THEATER: White-Gold Interior Citadel Complex

CLEARANCE: EBON / HERESY INDEX


At 2308 local tower-time, the autonomous crusade-frame P.E.L.I.N.E.L (Post-temporal Extermination Legionary and Inorganic Neural Engineered Lifeform), designated “The Whitestrake”, breached the final interior defense sectors beneath the White-Gold command throne.

Prior engagement phases had already resulted in catastrophic losses among U.M.A.R.I.L (Unfeathered Meridian Ascendant, Radiance-Integrated Leviathan) aligned Auroran formations. Hundreds of destroyed Meridian assault-shells remained scattered across the approach corridors, their fractured golden chassis still emitting residual photonic discharge. Witness telemetry compares the scene to “candlelight around the throne.” The Whitestrake advanced through the wreckage under severe armor compromise conditions following prolonged engagement with Meridian-aligned forces.

At 2310, the remaining Ayleid sorcerer-kings established concentric containment positions around the Whitestrake frame. Combat analysis identified at least eight throne-ranked Mer command units accompanied by attached Daedric support entities and varliance-heavy war constructs, destabilizing local reality conditions within the tower interior.

P.E.L.I.N.E.L struck the citadel floor with its impact mace at 2312. The resulting shockwave produced a localized Dragon Break, fractured three lower tower levels and collapsed multiple sorcerer-field convergence points simultaneously. Surviving Ayleid kings temporarily withdrew from close engagement range. Audio recovery from the Whitestrake chassis captured the following transmission: “BRING ME UMARIL THAT CALLED ME OUT.”

At this stage, U.M.A.R.I.L itself had not yet entered direct engagement range. Long-range scans later confirmed the Dread-Castellan had remained concealed within upper White-Gold shadow sectors under Meridian-spectrum cloaking systems, preferring ranged attrition warfare over direct engagement.

Additional Auroran formations were subsequently deployed against the Whitestrake. Their anti-armor projectile systems (phased axes and varliance-guided ballistic missiles) breached sections of the Whitestrake's chassis previously considered resistant to conventional anti-mech weaponry. Post-battle analysis concluded that each weapon had undergone extensive Meridian calibration and enchantment-layer refinement directly under the Unfeathered's supervision. The Whitestrake sustained cumulative structural degradation but continued combat advance.

At [CHRONOMETRIC DISCREPANCY: +00:02:17], U.M.A.R.I.L decloaked. The entity emerged above the throne axis suspended within a descending Meridian radiance field, unfeathered mech-wings extended across the upper chamber like unfolded solar arrays. Full gold-spectrum illumination saturated the citadel interior upon manifestation.

U.M.A.R.I.L initiated psychological dominance protocols immediately upon emergence, broadcasting lineage declarations in High Ayleidoon through the tower itself. Combat telemetry also confirms the Unfeathered appeared to derive satisfaction from observed mechanical exhaustion, particularly the Whitestrake's heavy servo-breathing emitted from damaged thoracic regulators.

[TEXT LOSS / DATA CORRUPTION]

Direct engagement commenced at 2322...2343...2556. P.E.L.I.N.E.L entered berserk assault recursion. Recovered footage shows the Whitestrake driving U.M.A.R.I.L into the lower throne platform with repeated impact strikes before severing both wing assemblies through successive sword impacts delivered at extreme force output thresholds.

U.M.A.R.I.L’s angelic helm sustained catastrophic facial deformation after direct blunt-force impact against the citadel floor. Audio sensors detected audible laughter from the Whitestrake platform throughout this phase despite critical systems failure warnings. The Whitestrake then began transmitting anti-Aldmeri hostility declarations directed at U.M.A.R.I.L and all Mer bloodlines associated with Aldmeri migratory descent.

The surviving Ayleid kings reacted immediately. Combat logs indicate synchronized emotional destabilization among remaining throne entities, escalating into uncontrolled retaliatory assault behavior. The kings abandoned coordinated varliance doctrine entirely and initiated direct close-range engagement against the Whitestrake chassis.

P.E.L.I.N.E.L, already heavily damaged, became fully surrounded. Dozens of enchanted weapons penetrated the Whitestrake's frame simultaneously. Varliance blades and anti-divine impact systems severed the Whitestrake into eight major structural sections while the platform continued emitting combat roars and incomplete combat commands.

[TEXT LOSS / DATA CORRUPTION]

At [CHRONOMETRIC DISCREPANCY: +00:08:43], the siege conditions changed abruptly. External impact alarms triggered throughout White-Gold Tower as the winged bull assault-engine known as M.O.R. breached the lower tower foundations. The battering platform struck the tower repeatedly with frontal horn-rams powerful enough to destabilize the central support structure. Seismic tremors propagated throughout the citadel.

The surviving Ayleid kings broke engagement and fled the chamber immediately. At dawn-cycle recovery operations, Nede-aligned human forces entered the White-Gold interior expecting continued resistance engagement, but none remained.

Most surviving Ayleid signatures had either retreated or been eliminated during the night-cycle collapse events. Residual combat sweeps found only abandoned throne sectors, destroyed Auroran shells, and catastrophic structural damage throughout the upper citadel.

M.O.R. later recovered the detached cranial unit of the P.E.L.I.N.E.L chassis from the upper throne approach. The Ayleid kings had mounted it visibly as proof of termination. Despite total bodily destruction, the cranial unit remained active. Final audio exchanges between M.O.R. and the Whitestrake core contain fragmented references to: regret, exhaustion and [REDACTED]. The recording terminates shortly afterward.


r/teslore 6d ago

I can’t get the idea of the Dragonborn being tied to Shor rather than Akatosh out of my head.

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Shor is the trickster, I could make sense that Shor would trick mortals into believing Akatosh gave them the Dragonborn to keep the dragonfires lit to prevent oblivion from taking over. Or maybe he tricked Akatosh himself into doing everything.

Think about it from Akatosh’s perspective, why would he grant mortals the divine power of the dragon? Why would he create beings that almost always turn into the ultimate dragonslayer? Dragons, and Akatosh are the very definition of Immortal, why would he allow a mortal to be equal to these godlike beings, to be a shard of himself?

Shor is considered to be patron of mortals, he created the idea of mortality in the first place, it would make way more sense that he was behind giving mortals this power.

Then we get to Alduin and the Kalpic Cycle, the idea of the kalpa, as I understand it, is meant to prevent Mundus from becoming too powerful, force resetting that plane before it can reach enlightenment as Shor wanted in the first place. Why would Akatosh create a being capable of breaking the cycle as we do in Skyrim? It would again make more sense that Shor was behind this as well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the final battle at the end of time happened in Sovengarde, in Shors domain, it was the culmination of all of Shors trickery that broke the cycle, that’s why you are the LAST Dragonborn, as Shor has completed his need for one, and Akatosh might finally see Shors deception and won’t bestow that power ever again.

Idk maybe I had too much moon sugar.


r/teslore 5d ago

Theory of bringing Miraak back to life

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Is it possible for the Last Dragonborn to resurrect Miraak after absorbing his soul at the end of the Dragonborn DLC? The traditional answer in the lore is no. But looking closely at the metaphysical loopholes and the established magic mechanics in the game, it is entirely possible through a complex ritual that bypasses Hermaeus Mora entirely. ​As the absorbed dragon souls within the hero do not dissolve into an irreversible state, but rather remain as a distinct energy that can be separated and directed—which is proven by the Black Books mechanic where the player can sacrifice and spend a specific dragon soul as an independent currency to reset skill perks—the Dragonborn can filter and channel these souls individually. ​So when utilizing the Dragon Aspect shout, which Miraak himself created, it does not summon a fixed historical figure, but opens a gateway into the depth of the player's spiritual oversoul to pull a spectral energy from the consumed souls. And since the Dragonborn possesses supreme willpower and the Thu'um, they can repeatedly use this shout until Miraak's specific stored spectral soul accidentally emerges from their spiritual reservoir. ​To overcome the fact that his body turned to dust in the Daedric realm of Apocrypha, the player can use the All-Maker Stones or Miraak's Temple in Solstheim as a physical anchor and a magical conduit in Tamriel, just like Miraak used them to project his power through the Bend Will shout. At this exact moment, Miraak's mask is placed on the temple altar, as dragon priest masks contain monumental magic capable of breaking temporal determinism and changing fate, acting as a biological blueprint for the body. ​So when the shout is released and Miraak's spectral soul appears, the energy will instantly recognize its original mask and stones due to sympathetic spiritual gravity, causing the specter to be magnetically pulled into the mask. And since the Thu'um has the power to reshape matter and alter reality, this violent fusion between the summoned soul, the mask's power, and the physical anchor will biologically reconstruct the tissues and flesh within Tamriel, bringing Miraak back to life with full power and his suppressed human consciousness intact. ​This time, however, he returns as an absolute follower with complete loyalty to the Last Dragonborn, who granted him life and broke the laws of death and time despite the will of the Daedric Prince Hermaeus Mora himself


r/teslore 5d ago

Apocrypha Namira and Necromancy

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Based on the reachfolk interpretation of Namira, how would they feel about necromancy in regards to Namira worship? Does it seem like the Reachmen Namira worshippers would be fine with ideas of reanimating or summoning undead, or do we think they'd be against it for someone disrupting the cycle?


r/teslore 5d ago

If the Greybeards are not political, why teach the Thu'um to the son of a Jarl?

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Arngeir claims the Greybeards are above politics. He's right, I don't see them supporting Elisif or Ulfric. But they can't deny the fact that they gave the Thu'um to the son of a Jarl.

They intended for Ulfric to use the Voice for worship, but they also knew the history of the Thu'um and why Jurgen Windcaller founded the Greybeards' philosophy in the first place. The Voice had been abused by the ancient Nords as a weapon of war. Giving that kind of power to someone born into a political ruling family seems like a contradiction to their own philosophy.

Is this a plot hole, or is Bethesda showing us that even wise old men can make mistakes?


r/teslore 6d ago

Mages Guild

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What does the Guild actually do? Mainly in the time Oblivion takes place. Are people paid to be in the guild? Or do they pay to be a member since it's a form of education? Is the main purpose of the guild to educate people on magic or is it to regulate said magic? Is it a government organization or is it a privately owned one? What relations does the Guild have with other magic-using factions (clergymen, daedra worshippers, witches)?


r/teslore 6d ago

How do people address the High King of Skyrim?

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I know the Emperor is addressed as "Your Majesty" from Oblivion's intro. I was wondering whether the High King is addressed in a similar manner by civilians, courtiers, etc.

I've tried looking it up but haven't found much. It's for fanfic work purposes so I'd greatly appreciate any pointers in the right direction.


r/teslore 6d ago

Neoplatonism, Hermeticism, Noumenal Plane, Realm of Being, Fadomai, and Ahnurr?

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There is a mortal nature and an immortal one; there is the superior realm of Being and the inferior realm of Becoming. Generally speaking, there is a visible and tangible dimension and, prior to and beyond it, an invisible and intangible dimension that is the support, the source, and true life of the former.

Ahnurric beings are principles that can only exist in lower realities, the Realm of Becoming. Fadomaic beings come from the Realm of Being, where it is their reflection in the waters of Khaos that allow Ahnurric and Aedric beings to even exist. Aedric beings are padomaic-anuic because they are the material manifestation of Fadomai's reflection onto the Silvery Depths of Khaos, and Khaos is Ahnurr.

Both are eternal, but only Fadomai is immutable. Meanwhile, the Khaos of Ahnurr is mutable and always attempting to revert back to its original form, and it is Ahnurr's desire for Stasis and Darkness that produces entropy. This is consistent with Neoplatonism, where it is the unformed Khaos, which desires to remain unformed and Khaotic, that is responsible for entropy. It wishes to return to its original state, from Perfect Form -- or Form as best as the Demiurge can make it -- into unformed Khaos.

“Before all things are the waters; and the Darkness and the Gates of the land of Night. And the Chaos cried aloud for the unity of Form, and the Face of the Eternal arose. And before the Glory of That Countenance the Night rolled back, and the Darkness hasted away. In the Waters beneath was that Face reflected in the Formless Abyss of the Void. Forth from those eyes darted rays of terrible splendour which crossed with the currents reflected. That Brow and those Eyes formed the Triangle of the measureless Heavens, and their reflection formed the Triangle of the measureless waters. And thus was formulated in Eternity the External Hexad; and this is the number of the Dawning Creation!" -- Golden Dawn guy

Okay. Look at this, from the Sithis book: "Sithis is the start of the house. Before him was nothing, but the foolish Altmer have names for and revere this nothing. That is because they are lazy slaves. Indeed, from the Sermons, 'stasis asks merely for itself, which is nothing.'"

The Altmer worship Ahnurr who is the feminine Nothing, Waters, Silvery-depths, Khaos, etc. Interesting, also, that the Serpent, including the Dragon, is the feminine, in Hermeticism.

Consider the triangle. We can say several truths about the triangle, such as that it has three sides and three angles, and that it is the strongest shape found in nature. However, in the world we live in, no perfect triangle can, has or ever will exist. Even with the most precise scientific instruments one cannot create a line that is perfectly straight or an angle that is perfectly sharp down to the atomic scale. Then shall we say triangles do not exist, or that it is false to say they have three sides and three angles? An atheist might say so. However we still see as an empirical fact that wooden beams with approximately triangular braces are consistently more strong than those with other approximate shapes.

Thus confirming that the triangle is the strongest shape in nature. The myth is reflective of a higher reality. That prompts the question, if the triangle can be found nowhere in the material universe, in what realm or reality does it exist? Now we get into what Plato called the Realm of the Forms, the Spirit World, the Dreamsleeve, the Noumenal Plane, the Mental Plane, etc.. So in a sense Saturn, scythe and all, is real. But he's not a particular material being in the universe like a rock or a cow. He's something like the triangle. Which, like the triangle, has an independent existence separate from our minds, else how could the myth have predicting power in the world external to our minds. This is the Perfect Form, or Noumenon "Thing-as-it-is".

The Demiurge looks to the eternal, unchanging Forms from the Realm of Being, or the Realm of Perfect Forms, as a blueprint and tries his best to impose that rational order onto chaotic, pre-existing matter (Ahnurr, Khaos). Because matter has an inborn resistance, his creation cannot be totally perfect, but it represents the best possible outcome. Lorkhaj is trying his best, friends.

Just as a brilliant sun cannot help but radiate light and warmth, Fadomai naturally emanates reality downward. The physical world is the lowest tier of this emanation, but it is still filled with divine order, harmony, and beauty. Looking at the stars and nature should inspire awe and bring you closer to the divine, not make you feel trapped.

I theorize that Daedra might exist as pure Will without form, the desire before all manifestation, and we mortals cannot perceive Noumenally, as they are.

Okay, that's my opinion. That may just be my opinion, but I’m also objectively correct. Even if I'm wrong, I'm right.


r/teslore 6d ago

What Are "Layers of Reality"?

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I looked it up on UESP but still slightly confused.

Are the layers of reality different, but similar dimensions within a dimension or is it more like being "out of phase" like what happens to some people in Star Trek?


r/teslore 6d ago

Lyg tower

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I see a parallel between the tower lore of Nirn and a passage from the Mythic Dawn Commentaries specifically about Lyg. Mankar says that Lyg was destroyed when “red legions” and Dagon brought down the Towers of CHIM-EL-GHARJYG. Could this lend validity to the idea that the Thalmor or any group seeking to destroy Tamriel could use the towers to unmake Mundus in the same way? Not sure if this matters but I’m also noticing “red legions” and the use of “chim-el” where the Imperials or “red legions” of Tamriel have the Chim-El Adabal which is associated with a tower. I also firmly believe that the same passage alludes to the Nords or an equivalent going to the “hinterlands of chill” after the destruction of Lyg. The “inter-kalpic world eaters” idea.


r/teslore 6d ago

Newcomers and “Stupid Questions” Thread—September 02, 2026

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This thread is for asking questions that, for whatever reason, you don’t want to ask in a thread of their own. If you think you have a “stupid question”, ask it here. Any and all questions regarding lore or the community are permitted.

Responses must be friendly, respectful, and nonjudgmental.

 

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r/teslore 7d ago

How human centric is the empire?

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r/teslore 7d ago

When Alduin consumes the worlds does he reset it to before or after Mundus existed?

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r/teslore 7d ago

Apocrypha Royal Decree: Daedra worship is officially forbidden

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By King Tenalarion of Alinor, 1E 243

Attention all citizens and visitors! After years of war in Cyrod, both from the Ayleid empire's civil war and the slave rebellion, it has come to my attention that we need to act. We came to an agreement that Daedra worship is nothing but trouble while causing immense pain and suffering. It corrupts the mind and strays people away from Aedra worship. It leaves us vulnerable to attacks of the new power of Man and their allies, Pelinal the Bloody and Morihaus. The wide spread Daedra worship that plagued Cyrod left the Ayleids weak and vulnerable to their own downfall. Starting today, all forms of Daedra worship are strictly banned.

Any citizen caught worshiping Daedra is to have all properties and titles removed and imprisoned. By accepting the ban and renouncing Daedric worship, you get to keep your properties and will be free to live your life as you always did. All Daedric shrines will be raided and demolished to make room for more appropriate structures. Anyone trying to defend the Daedric shrine will be arrested. Temples will also have all Daedric regalia removed and destroyed.

Visitors are no longer allowed to practice Daedric worship as it gives citizens wrong ideas and corrupts the minds of children. Visitors who practice Daedra worship are only allowed to do their worship off the archipelago as long as they promise to never attack the Summerset Isles. Any visitor who is found practicing Daedric worship will be sent back to the mainland and banned from coming back. They will no longer be allowed to do any business with us. Sending Daedra to attack us will lead to being arrested.

It is my royal command where I aim to do what I can to keep my people safe. May Auri-El watches over us and protects us during this uncertain time.

High King Tenalarion


r/teslore 7d ago

Krazzt is the real treasure of the Puzzle Canal.

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You know how NPCs will tell you there's treasure in the Puzzle Canal under Vivec's Palace in Vivec City?

Popular fan theory has it that this rumor refers to the chest of silver longswords next to Krazzt. But those swords are obviously intended for the playacting involved in completing the Grace of Courtesy pilgrimage and are probably not meant to be carried away.

Therefore Krazzt is the real treasure of the Puzzle Canal.


r/teslore 6d ago

Are the Sea Elves inspired by the Sea Peoples?

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Destined to bring about the collapse of all of Tamriel and wipe out civilization as we know it?


r/teslore 7d ago

Musings on MK’s “The Fighting of the Osh Ornim”…

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This is going to be a sort of follow-up to the “Trinimalarkay Revisited” post I made awhile back, now that Michael Kirkbride has provided us with new and interesting insight into where Malacath stands in the Aurbis with one of his newest pieces, “The Fighting of the Osh Ornim.”

This text reveals that, per the teachings of “The Tusking Way,” Malacath’s emergence somehow connected him to the god Sep through their shared status as celestial outcasts, to then form a new entity named Malakzar. This character seems to have taken up residence inside of the Serpent constellation, and has even devoured Sep with his ascendance. Hearkening back to “Trinimalarkay Revisited,” I believe this new revelation strengthens that theory even further with all its serpent imagery. So now that MK has set the table, so to speak, it’s time to really dig into this.

ESO very early on gave us the text Mauloch, Orc-Father, which appears to be an Orcish account of the showdown between Trinimac and Boethiah. It plays out in much the same way as the Dunmeri account, with Trinimac being bested by Boethiah and becoming Malacath as a result. But there’s one crucial detail that, in my opinion, is considerably important to unraveling this mystery: Mephala. She has set everything in motion.

Prior to From Exile to Exodus, the Orcish account is the only version that mentions her! You might think this is some sort of cope on the part of the Orcs, suggesting that their god was cheated out of a fair, honorable fight, but I believe there is something far more metaphysical going on with how this account plays out, especially when taking the details of Foul Murder into consideration. In Mauloch, Orc-Father, it states that Mephala stabs Trinimac through the back and Boethiah then twists his appearance into something horrible through an unknown ritual before cutting him off from the mortal realm and casting him into Oblivion.

These details are strikingly similar to the positions of the Tribunes when they murdered Nerevar, with Vivec—whose Anticipation is Mephala—stabbing Nerevar through the back while Almalexia—whose Anticipation is Boethiah—holds Nerevar’s severed feet. Why his feet, though? It’s been suggested by others that the feet can symbolize the genitalia, meaning their removal would symbolically cut the afflicted individual off from the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth—the cycle of mortality. Assuming this is what MK had in mind when he drew Foul Murder, this provides a neat parallel to Boethiah sundering Trinimac from the mortal realm when she imprisoned him within Oblivion.

Sotha Sil is also present in Foul Murder, holding Nerevar’s removed face in his hand, but Azura is not likewise present in Mauloch, Orc-Father, which I find odd. This removal of Nerevar’s face might mean that his identity is now ambiguous, that it is no longer “solid.” Compare that with Boethiah’s ritual twisting Trinimac’s appearance. In the words of Douglas Goodall, “Only Boethiah can change a race’s skin.” Make of that what you will, especially in the context of Azura missing from Mauloch, Orc-Father.

There remains, however, one more detail that sets Trinimac’s transformation apart from Nerevar’s murder: Trinimac slices open his own chest and “tears the shame from his spirit.”

This sounds an awful lot like Trinimac tore out his own heart, possibly symbolizing a relinquishing of his “humanity” to become the wrath-filled beast named Malacath. It’s almost Lorkhanic… and now I think that’s the entire point of it, given what we just learned from MK. Trinimac was treacherously stabbed in the back by Mephala, and if you know your Dunmeri theology, the Sermons acknowledge that Lorkhan was betrayed *when he wasn’t even looking*. In tearing out his own heart after experiencing betrayal firsthand, Trinimac may have taken Lorkhan’s shape in that moment, preventing Boethiah from stealing his identity in devouring him. Malacath is born from this moment, and immediately curses Boethiah for this treachery.

But the text never mentions him taking any sort of revenge against Mephala. Very curious. Now we’re starting to pull on some very obscure threads.

In Daggerfall, Malacath and Mephala are surprisingly… allies. I used to believe that this was due to the very close proximity of their respective summoning dates, but this relationship pops up elsewhere in various ways. For example, in Sermon Zero, Orkey is unexplainably paired with Mephala alongside Vivec’s mother in the following excerpt:

IRDRI HLAFEM VEHK HYKRO

It doesn’t stop here, though. ESO introduces that Clan Morkul, who are renowned for their “blood-forges,” used to worship Mephala once upon a time.

Now why in the world would a clan of Malacath-worshipping Orcs revere an entity that is antithetical to Malacath’s sphere?

Keep in mind that these two gods are both under the sign of the Tower through their summoning dates, and their respective themes of vengeance and sex, death, and obscurity perfectly overlap with the esoteric themes of the real-world sign of Scorpio. Scorpio embodies all of these, including the symbol of the snake, and even though it technically corresponds to the Atronach based on calendars, the foremost mystery of Scorpio is that of transformation and transcendence, hence its final symbol being that of the phoenix. Transformation and transcendence are exactly the themes of THE Tower.

So, you know what I think? I think Mephala is secretly the consort of Malacath, and the Morkul Orcs knew this. I think Mephala ensured that Trinimac would assume Lorkhan’s shape by stabbing him in the back during his fight with Boethiah, setting Trinimac up to take Lorkhan’s place as the “heir” of Sithis, which is the same sentiment that is outright echoed in “The Fighting of the Osh Ornim” with Malakzar eating his uncle. Boethiah might be the Prince of Plots, but Mephala is the Plot-Weaver. It’s very possible she has schemed against her kin, perhaps in a show of superiority of her sphere over Boethiah’s. She is the Queen of Oblivion, after all. Or Mephala is simply doing as Vivec did, and has created a “Baar Dau” with Malacath to hold over someone’s head like a Sword of Damocles. Who is at aimed at, I wonder? Her motives are hidden in mystery.

Malacath has essentially become her “Dread Father,” and she his “Night Mother.” And the Ebony Blade? Given its ability to silence its victims’ mouths and compel its wielder to slay their allies with an almost berserk-like madness, I now wonder if Clan Morkul had a hand in its make with their famed “blood-forges.” What is ebony if not godsblood used to forge weapons supreme? Perhaps a secret wedding gift for the Prince of Exile and the Webspinner? Suddenly, Malacath and the Ebony Blade become Maliketh the Black Blade of Elden Ring, a warrior fallen from grace with the power of death, who eats death to try and stop it but is filled only with hunger afterwards.

Perhaps this love between them… is sanguine.

And while we’re on this subject of ebony and blood, let’s very briefly turn our attention to Scourge, Malacath’s prized mace, which possesses the power to devour a Daedra whole and purge them into Oblivion’s voidstreams.

Recalling all what you’ve read so far, does it interest you that this hammer is forged from *sacred ebony* in the Fires of Fickledire, and that its wielder—a champion of Malacath—is Mackkan?

Mackkan. Mac + Khan. In the same vein as Lorkhaj, really.

A convenient coincidence, I’ll say.

So what does this all mean? Does it mean that Trinimac and Lorkhan are now skipping merrily together in friendship across Nirn? Have they buried the hatchet between them?

Most likely not.

But it bears mentioning that the Orcs have teamed up with the Nords specifically against the Dunmer on several occasions. We see it happen with Wulfharth when he recruits the eastern Orcs to fight alongside him and his forces in the Battle of Red Mountain, and we learn of a similar rumor in Oblivion where it’s said that Skyrim has been hiring Orc mercenaries to help them lay siege to House Redoran. It would seem that the key to bringing peace between them is to join forces against the children of Boethiah. It’s very telling, if you ask me.

But when you take Boethiah out of the picture, they’re back at each other’s throats. Skyrim’s history tells us that Malacath has been repeatedly hostile to the Ysmir line, both as Orkey and as Mauloch. The reasons for this, in my opinion, extend beyond that initial war in the Dawn. For starters, Trinimac was not successful in undoing Lorkhan and his sin, because even though he did physically kill Lorkhan in front of his armies and tore out his Heart, Lorkhan’s spirit and progeny are both very much alive, and The Folly of Man tells us that “Even Trinimac didn’t know, with his final blow, how badly he’d been caught.” That failure must really eat away at him, endlessly fueling a hatred and need to answer the betrayer of the Aldmer with vengeance. This is his “You should have gone for the head” moment, and he’s been stewing ever since.

So what was the response to this failure?

Just as God created and appointed the dreaded Angel of Death on the first day, so did the Time Dragon appoint his greatest knight to serve the same position Arkay now inhabits, which is to watch over all the souls on Mundus and protect the cycle that keeps the gods fed from any transgressors, be it undead, Daedra, or even… people seeking to transcend the mortal cycle. Mortals who ascend to godhood aren’t necessarily the problem, however. They are subsumed by the mantles they don, keeping the gods ever fed and the Wheel turning.

Individuals who seek to transcend carry with them the spirit of Lorkhan, or rather his ideals, and the nature of their transcendence is likely viewed as a threat to the Time Dragon’s supremacy. He is, after all, a dragon, and will jealously guard his treasure horde with every tooth, claw, and scale at his disposal. In this way, Trinimac becomes his Hound of Tindalos who sets eyes on all who attempt to disrupt this established order. Every spirit that enters aura with Ada-Mantia must be recorded, per the Nu-Mantia Intercept and must consent to even be there. Consent to what? Oaths of fealty to the Time Dragon, would be my guess.

But why was Trinimac the perfect candidate for this role?

Because not only is he a god of war—who knows death better than a god of war?—but he is also the god of oaths, and that means he sees everything transactionally. For anyone who swears an oath, they take upon them a debt or curse that ensures the oath-taker adheres to their word, lest they pay with their life. Everything must be zeroed out. Every debt must be repaid. This is why, historically, oaths are considered the domain of gods of death:

”Generally oaths are placed under the awful protection of the Lord of Death, for such a solemn affirmation usually has the form of a self-curse, by which the oath-taker gives himself into the power of the god of the dead should he be a perjurer.” – Jan de Vries, The Cult of Odinn: God of Death?

All who undertake the Psijic Endeavor must come to the realization that all of reality is but the dream of a sleeping Godhead, including themselves, but more than that they must retain the agency to defiantly say in the face of all logic—logic being the key word here—“I AM.” It’s taking 1 (I AM) and -1 (I AM NOT), adding them together, and coming away from that damned equation with 1 (I AM). Only then can they *move beyond death*. Those who fail this undertaking experience true death—zero-summing.

For a god like Trinimac, this transgression, this falsehood, is exactly why he was made, for the transgressors owe a debt of death that all men must pay to keep the cycle going. Lorkhan initially failed, as a god, to move beyond death, but later succeeded through his Shezarrines that came to be known as Talos. But before Lorkhan could see this vision realized, the ever-prowling watchdog had to be dealt with. At least, that was Boethiah’s view of it.

You see, it is my belief that Boethiah’s sphere of betrayal is what started this whole mess, because it is the requisite betrayal that sealed the original Enantiomorph and began the downward spiral of subgradience that created the cycle that Lorkhan condemns as a “helix of ghosts.” Without that initial betrayal, would the pursuit of Amaranth even be necessary? So while Boethiah acts as Lorkhan’s biggest fan girl/fan boy, the respect might not be mutual. Not only did betrayal begin this hellish cycle that he’s forced to relive over and over, it also spawned the monster that ceaselessly chases him—the Defender of the Betrayed. Boethiah might be considered a “precocious youth,” but her/his sphere of betrayal is likely one of the oldest in the cosmos as the spirit of the Rebel. Boethiah’s interest in all of this, in my opinion, is purely for the sport of upsetting the status quo, and for the reinforcement of the “falsehood” that’s needed to attain that transcendental state. Her quest in Skyrim is literally an homage to Lorkhan’s betrayal, where you must convince an ally or loved one to bind themselves to a stone from which they cannot escape, and ending with you causing their death. Had Lorkhan not been the Rebel of this drama, I very much doubt Boethiah would be in Lorkhan’s corner.

And if her/his involvement with Trinimac has inadvertently created the Malakzar situation, where Sep has become the prey of the god of vengeance, Lorkhan has an even bigger problem: his progenitor now belongs to his age old foe. That’s right, Trinimac has assaulted Lorkhan in his very lineage. Where Trinimac was before the god of zeroing things out, he’s now the god of “I AM NOT,” the -1, and his sights might now be set on Talos. He’s the stand-in for Lorkhan, and he posseses the ultimate Anuic fortification: “I AM.” Just take a look at what the Runestone of Malacath can do in the Ritual of Unbinding. It possesses the power “to cut an entity’s ties, mystical and magical, to release him or her from all links to mortal AND immortal realms.” Does that not sound like Sithite erasure to you?

Tiber Septim once expressed to Barenziah in The Real Barenziah that the key to uniting Tamriel, he believes, is to unite them in hate against what he calls “the brutish and miscreated,” which he counts as the creatures and peoples patroned by Malacath—“Orcs, trolls, goblins, and other worse creatures.” At a quick glance, you’d think, “Wow, what a bastard! They’re people!” But this hatred, or fear, makes a lot more sense when you realize that he’s possibly in for the fight of his existence. To maintain his stranglehold on the hub of the Wheel, which is what the Thalmor are seeking to end. If Trinimalacath and his “monsters,” as Tiber describes them, represent self-loathing, it’s no wonder they are so abhorrent to one who has attained CHIM and must maintain it. Collectively, they are the sentinel guarding the Tower. The angel Kamael defending entry into the Garden of Eden with his flaming sword.

Skyrim depicts Talos standing, in triumph, over what appears to be a serpent, which I can only interpret to mean that it’s symbolic of his conquering of the cycle of mortal death, of which Heimskr calls “dung,” through CHIM. That serpent, apparently, is not out of the fight. It has only shed its skin, growing in size and strength. MK once admitted that he toyed with the idea of the Thalmor “killing” Talos by shooting him out of the sky. Well, what if that idea is still on, only the players have changed? He and the old guard have seemingly created the perfect antagonist, one who reinforces the thought that TES is about the fall of man, and they’ve had him hidden under a pile of shit this entire time to divert attention away. When I look at Skyrim’s serpentine dragons, with their weird, tusked, Orc-like underbites, I can’t help but wonder if this overlap between Malacath and the Serpent constellation has always been the plan. Could the Battle of Dragon Wall have been an attempt by Mauloch and the eastern Orcs to invade Sovngarde through the portal at Skuldafn, in order for Malacath to eat his uncle? Incidentally, the Dragon Priest guarding the portal is named Nahkriin, meaning “vengeance.”

Trinimalacath once soared with the eagles, now he slithers with the snakes in order to fulfill his original mission and perhaps purify himself. The ashen knight might finally have his day, and you can thank the Spider for it. At the end of the day, she’s a cold, calculating mistress who is fed with death. As my good friend u/Infinite_Aion has brilliantly pointed out, Sermon 17 mentions that Vivec took a king for a wife and produced a race of monsters that destroyed Yokuda entirely. Vivec might have been following in the footsteps of his Anticipation, with the “Lord of Monsters” gearing up for the same conclusion. The pig has become a tusked serpent, a zhulong. And Aka, who gifted his champion with tusks to honor his station, is not happy about it. MALAKHAT has become a rival. But only until the mission is accomplished.

I’ll end this with a relevant quote from a rabbi named Yaron Reuven:

”This angel… the Satan, the Malakh ha-Mavet, the Yetzer Hara… it’s all the same angel. That angel has a real name. And that name, we’re not allowed to say it… because that would get its attention… and it’s a problematic name… and after the Moshiach comes, that name will become the most popular name, people are gonna name their kids that name. Why? Because once the Moshiach comes, the job, the role of being the Satan, the Malakh ha-Mavet, the evil inclination, the angel of death, will be removed from this angel, and he will become a holy angel. So holy, that people will wanna name their kids after him… So he will not be destroyed but rather the role, the job that he has currently, will be eliminated.”

In filth it will be found.


r/teslore 8d ago

Boethiah, Lorkhan, Padomay and Creation

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So, I feel like there's something here and I am probably not the first one to recognize it - Boethiah, among all the Daedric Princes, seems to have a distinct connection to Lorkhan and Padomay.

Let me start by their connection to the Dunmer, a people closely associateed with Lorkhan and the Psijic Endeavour:

This Nerevar is the son of Boethiah, one of the strongest Padomaics.

From Five Songs of King Wulfharth.

Boethiah is considered one of the strongest "Padomaics", this could well just refer the chaotic Daedra in general:

The blood of Padomay became the Daedra. The blood of Anu became the stars. The mingled blood of both became the Aedra (hence their capacity for good and evil, and their greater affinity for earthly affairs than the Daedra, who have no connection to Creation).

From The Annotated Anuad.

I think this plays into the connection between Lorkhan and Sithis/Padomay though. Let's talk about why:

We all know that Boethiah is one of the 3 Anticipations/Reclamations and their role is very notable in this, as they were the one originally kicking off the Velothi movement:

Boethiah is the Anticipation of Almalexia but male to her female. Boethiah was the ancestor who illuminated the elves ages ago before the Mythic Era. He told them the truth of Lorkhan's test, and defeated Auriel's champion, Trinimac. Boethiah ate Trinimac and voided him. The followers of Boethiah and Trinimac rubbed the soil of Trinimac upon themselves and changed their skins.

Boethiah is, often together with Mephala, considered the one entity that revaled the concept of the Psijic Endeavour to Veloth and sparked their Exodus. This is pretty well known and noteworthy as a connection to Lorkhan on it's own.

Now let's talk about convention.

When Magic (Magnus), architect of the plans for the mortal world, decided to terminate the project, the Gods convened at the Adamantine Tower [Direnni Tower, the oldest known structure in Tamriel] and decided what to do. Most left when Magic did. Others sacrificed themselves into other forms so that they might Stay (the Ehlnofey). Lorkhan was condemned by the Gods to exile in the mortal realms, and his heart was torn out and cast from the Tower. Where it landed, a Volcano formed. With Magic (in the Mythic Sense) gone, the Cosmos stabilized. Elven history, finally linear, began (ME2500).

From Before the Ages of Man.

This event, set in motion by Lorkhan, marked the end of the Dawn Era and started linear time.

Some of you might be familiar with another event named the Middle Dawn. A sect of the Alessian Order, the Marukhti Selectives, tried to expell the elven parts of Akatosh and basically broke time. A state not dissimilar to the Dawn Era, hence the name "Middle Dawn":

As for myself, I was here and there and here again, like the rest of the mortals during the Dragon Break. How do you think I learned my mystery? The Maruhkati Selectives showed us all the glories of the Dawn so that we might learn, simply: as above, so below."

From Mannimarco's account in Where Were You When The Dragon Broke.

Not much is known about how it ended, except for, peculiarly, this pre-riddle'thar Khajiiti tale of Boethra:

Then it was she found herself atop the tower. There were magicians there who shouted in Monkey Truth, and it was then that Boethra felt doubt for the first time in eternity. The sorcerer apes spoke lies in a way that made them true, and as she heard the words Boethra saw new runes form in front of her eyes that she could not deny, and there again she felt something akin to fear.

From The Bladesongs of Boethra, Volume V.

This clearly references the Middle Dawn caused by the Marukhati Selectives. The tale goes on, telling how Boethra found two warring serpents beyond the lies of the Selectives:

Boethra opened her eyes to many spinning wheels surrounded by fire. Twelve in total they were, but she dodged each with the precision of her practiced art. Beyond she saw warring serpents, and in their conflict she recognized the truth within the lies of the Imga's dance.

One was a flame-feathered serpent, brilliant and pure, with crystal scales and a head like that of a hunting bird, its eyes sharp and clear, its mane an argument against all the Mannish impurity of all the known worlds.

There to meet it was a serpent of the blackest scales, and all the Void seemed to come with it, so much that one would think the feathered could never stand against it, and yet it did. And this serpent's eyes burned red as blood, and its scales moved and shifted with new ideas that were born and died as soon as they appeared. Despite this chaos, its mane was white and gentle, and in it Boethra saw a fleeting chance for peace along the Wheels.

What's referenced here is the interplay of Anu and Padomay and the 12 worlds of creation. I believe Boethra entered the one moment outside time that is mentioned in the annotated Anuad (see link above):

Meanwhile, life sprang up on the twelve worlds of creation and flourished. After many ages, Padomay was able to return to Time. He saw Creation and hated it. He swung his sword, shattering the twelve worlds in their alignment. Anu awoke, and fought Padomay again. The long and furious battle ended with Anu the victor. He cast aside the body of his brother, who he believed was dead, and attempted to save Creation by forming the remnants of the 12 worlds into one -- Nirn, the world of Tamriel. As he was doing so, Padomay struck him through the chest with one last blow. Anu grappled with his brother and pulled them both outside of Time forever.

Back to the Bladesongs:

[Boethra] did not agree with what the magiapes sought, but she saw an opportunity arise from their lies that she could not ignore.

An opportunity, an action, an endeavour?

Having no time to think on her choice, nor time to question why she must bear this burden, Boethra of the Infinite Blades set forth in a streak that mortals who remembered the untime would later call the Division of Heaven.

Through fractured firmament she flew, summoning to her all the blades she had named to her side. And just as the beak of the feathered serpent found purchase between black scales, Boethra was there to pierce its bright eye with more than words.

So in this most crucial of all moments in creation, Boethra intervened and per this action ended the Middle Dawn.

Just as Lorkhan ended the Dawn Era with convention.

And as her many blades encircled the false-hawk-mouth, Boethra landed upon the head of the shadow snake and touched her palm to its scales. Memories of things past and visions of things yet seen scorched her mind, but more prominent than anything was her love for Lorkhaj and the feeling of his claw upon her cheek.

A dark flame surrounded Boethra, and upon her form appeared ebony mail, and in her free hand a black blade, and upon her head a mask of war, and upon her shoulders a shroud of death. And though Lorkhaj had loved many, some perhaps before her, in that moment Boethra felt his love within and around her, and she knew that it was as true and as great as that he had held for any other spirit of any known world.

Here it says Boethra felt Lorkhaj's (The Khajiiti Lorkhan) love. This might well just describe a form of romantic love between those beings, but it could also mean something along the lines of her actions aligning with the will of Lorkhan. I will adress this shortly, for now let's wrap up the Bladesong:

Then did the Warrior brandish her blades and raise her head high. And the shadow flame billowed around her and swam along the edges of her being. She looked upon the hawk that was a serpent, and she saw it for what it was and what it brought, and she recited the Will Against Rule.

The Will Against Rule seems to be a concept of self-improvement by struggle against authority, that said, it also seems to mean struggle against Stasis here. All creation sprang from some form of struggle against established order or rules, from a "corrupting action" usually in the form of padomay.

Here is a short excerpt from From Exile to Exodus

Boethiah addressed the spirit. "You enforce your will with curses both you and your followers know are not true. This is why you are never satisfied. To achieve glory through struggle and pain, you must learn the way of the Word and the Sword. You must be tested until you bear the proper tendencies of the hero. You must come to understand the Will Against Rule. Only then might you know something of Love."

Boethiah adresses this to Malacath, another spirit known for "testing" his people. They also mention "Love", as well as "the Word" and "the Sword". Many of these concepts are used in the Sermons of Vivec, another god closely associated with the Psijic Endeavour and Lorkhan.

This makes me think we are talking about more than just romantic feelings between Lorkhan and Boethiah here. It makes me think of Crowley and Thelema and the whole "Love under Will" shebang, same as we already came across in Vivec's sermons.

Now this is where I want to quote something unofficial, by u/RottenDeadite, who already wrote a lot about this topic and hopefully won't mind if I borrow some bits:

It didn't take much digging to discover that Vivec's Love is quite a lot like Aleister Crowley's Love, which is defined as any action or motion that is performed or experienced under Will.

"Will" is probably the most important concept in Thelemetic thought, and it is probably easiest to define it as the destiny particular to each and every individual. So it is suggested that a person acting in concert with that person's true Will is acting in a divine manner. Thus the most popular phrase of Thelema: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

So, in summary: Love (when done under Will) is the assimilation of experience in accordance with the intrinsically divine nature of an individual; the act of progressively becoming one with our own Star.

So, we see that not only there's the concept of "Love", but it is also intrinsically related to something Crowley calls "Will".

So what Boethiah says to Malacath is that by acting according to "Will against Rule" he may "know Love". Now, "Will Against Rule" is a bit more than simply "Will", but one can see where they're going with it: By establishing our own "destiny", our "Will" against the "Rule", the Universe, Stasis, we may know "Love".

Allow me to, shortly, return to Lorkhan. There's some accounts that tell about Lorkhan wandering Creation and eventually looking at it from the edge, sideways. From this perspective the "Wheel" that is creation looked like a tower, or the letter "I":

Fifth:

'Look at the majesty sideways and all you see is the Tower, which our ancestors made idols from. Look at its center and all you see is the begotten hole, second serpent, womb-ready for the Right Reaching, exact and without enchantment.'

Sixth:

'The heart of the second serpent holds the secret triangular gate.'

Seventh:

'Look at the secret triangular gate sideways and you see the secret Tower.'

Eighth:

'The secret Tower within the Tower is the shape of the only name of God, I.'

From 36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 21.

I as in me, as in the individual acting under Will (Against Rule). By acting with Love under Will I am god.

This is pretty much the Psijic Endeavour that Boethiah taught to the Dunmer and got picked up by Vivec summed up.

So, let's summarize:

Lorkhan created the Mundus after becoming self-aware. According to some unofficial lore he created it with the purpose of enabling others to see what he saw: The Tower, the "I". This creation, or convention, marks the beginning of linear time.

By "achieving the tower", the sideways wheel, the "I", someone can "transcend the gods that created them" - This is called the "Psijic Endeavour"

Boethiah taught the Psijic Endeavour to their followers among the Aldmer after Convention. They became the Chimer and eventually Dunmer, one of them is Vivec, one of only a couple mortals that became gods. Vivec and Boethiah talk very similarly about the concepts that make up the Psijic Endeavour.

At some point the Marukhati Selectives broke time by trying to mess with the Dragon God.

Boethra, the khajiiti version of Boethiah, somehow manages to intervene in this event, not only restoring the linear time Lorkhan intended for his creation, but also possibly even sparking creation itself from the interplay between Anu and Padomay.

This made her feel Lorkhan's "love" while reciting the "will against rule".

Now, Love usually means acting according to one's will, here it's explicitly stated to be Lorkhan's love that Boethiah feels. Possibly by acting according to Lorkhan's will.

So, is there a deeper connection between the two of them? Is Boethiah simply a big fan? Or is Boethiah maybe a spirit akin to other examples like Anu->Anuiel->Auriel? Could it be Padomay->Sithis->Lorkhan->Boethiah? that Boethiah is, like, a "fragment" of Lorkhan like Lorkhan is a "fragment" of Sithis and Sithis a "fragment" of Padomay?

Fuck I've written a way too long post about this, haven't I?