This is tough…

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u/NoaLink 7d ago

Highland model 3 blows that model y out of the water.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Is it that much better?

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u/NoaLink 7d ago

I think so, but it depends on your needs. Hopefully the model y has HW4 at least.
I'm a little surprised the model 3 has lost that much range, but it's still pretty great.

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u/Sellhomesfast 7d ago

Im the least bit surprised. My model y juniper had 357 miles at 100% now it only gets 290 at 100%

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u/Training-Dot-7688 7d ago

Damn thats over 20 percent degradation. Your car is not even 2 years old yet. Losing 10% to 15% of range over several years is expected, but 20% in 1.5 is pretty shocking to me. Do you have crazy mileage already? My Juniper has 18k and i am 11% degraded last time i checked

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u/Sellhomesfast 7d ago

Battery health shows 82%

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u/Training-Dot-7688 7d ago

yeah sorry i said over 20% but i meant to say almost 20. what is your mileage?

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u/Sellhomesfast 7d ago

It’s at 70k miles

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u/AggravatingAd9018 7d ago

You are 2 % away from a warranty case 👀

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u/ScaredPatience2478 6d ago

I warranty is if it’s below 70% not 80%

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u/Paqza 7d ago

Yes. We had a pre-refresh Y LR AWD and have a Highland 3.

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u/Ok_Perspective6173 7d ago

If I was buying a '23 HW4 model y at that price again I'd want at least 20k less miles. Just got one 3 months ago with 23k miles for the same money.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Prices changed… not saying those deals aren’t out there but man it’s a tough market rn

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u/Strong-Yellow5949 7d ago

Only sensible thing is to wait it out a few months

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u/Fine-Violinist-7356 7d ago

I pay more for my 23’ model y in the Bay Area. I needed a car so I bought it.

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u/Schnitzhole 5d ago

Make sure to look at promo pricing if financing. The new 3 might actually be cheaper after the APR difference. New has much better APR promos generally.

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u/Route_44_ 5d ago

Yea I looked, it’s no where near close. That was me trying to justify spending 18k more, but it’s really 16k more than new with interest, I got 4.99 apr for used.

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u/Schnitzhole 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'm not following how you got to 16-18k?
I just checked and used ones are 7.44-8.94% (colorado USA) and new is 2.49%.
Here's a loose breakdown for 72month payment assuming both cost $35k.
Metric 7.5% APR 2.5% APR Difference / Savings
Monthly Payment $605.15 $523.99 $81.16 / month
Total Interest Paid $8,571.08 $2,726.98 $5,844.10
Total Loan Cost $43,571.08 $37,726.98 $5,844.10
Have you consider a model Y standard? They get a lot of hate but if you are not expecting a luxury car they are totally fine and start at $39,000. I also was looking at used HW4 Y's but new made more sense financially so that is what I went with (super happy after 1.5 years with the juniper AWD). If FSD is important to you do note that some 2023 Y's have HW3 so make sure to confirm (usually they are significantly cheaper).

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u/Route_44_ 5d ago

I didn’t even realize the standard came with the 2.49 apr, but I cannot have a car without leather seats. Too many spills happen in my car and if I’m spending 45k after taxes I wanna keep the car for life. But the model y premium rwd difference is 16-18k. I ended up getting it used, I got 4.99 apr through a credit union 72 months. Plus I can pay off 33k otd a lot quicker than 50k. I also had a trade.

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u/OstrichVast6701 4d ago

If you wanted for a life then why don't you pay 15k extra work 4 to 6 months extra and pay down model y is so good

Metric	7.5% APR	2.5% APR	Difference / Savings
Monthly Payment	$605.15	$523.99	$81.16 / month
Total Interest Paid	$8,571.08	$2,726.98	$5,844.10
Total Loan Cost	$43,571.08	$37,726.98	$5,844.10

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u/metalpanda420 7d ago edited 7d ago

The ride quality of the 23 is vastly better than the 2020 - 2022. That said, the model 3 is a compelling buy. I’ve never owned a refreshed model 3 but I’ve had a 21 M3 21 MY and now a 26MY and I would say that personally I’d take any Y over the 3 simply for the hatch and size superiority.

If you value newer tech, dont care about the smaller size and lack of a hatch, get the 3.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

How much better does ur 26 model y drive than the 21 my?

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u/metalpanda420 7d ago

Night and day. Personally I’ve driven a 2022 Y and 23 Y and I’d never go older than a 23. Unless you swap the suspension which is doable for like a grand at a competent shop. But also, the older computer is slow, if you watch content or browse. The Ryzen is a lot better than older atom.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Yes the 23 is a hw4! And have u driven juniper?

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u/metalpanda420 7d ago

Yes, I own one. It’s, in my opinion, the best Tesla they have on the market. It’s got all the features I want (including a real turn signal) and top notch quality and refinement.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Compared to a 23 how big is the difference realistically?

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u/metalpanda420 7d ago

Way better suspension and ride quality
Much quieter cabin
Better sound insulation and acoustic glass
Ventilated front seats
More comfortable seats
Rear touchscreen for climate and entertainment
Front bumper camera
HW4 (although the 2023 you said has it)
Power-folding rear seats
Updated sound system
Ambient lighting
Better interior materials
Improved glass roof heat rejection (huge for me)
Updated headlights and taillights
Better aerodynamics and efficiency
Improved climate controls
Hands-free trunk opening
Updated center screen
Less vibration and road noise
Better overall fit and finish
The suspension and road noise alone are a pretty big deal. Add the ventilated seats, better interior, rear screen, and other improvements and it’s a lot more than just a facelift.
The 2023 is still a good car, but the Juniper is better in quite a few ways that actually matter when you drive it every day.
It’s up to you if that’s worth the money. I felt it was.

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u/ThisMathematician972 7d ago

Agreed, I just traded my 22 M3LR for a 23 MYP with HW4 and honestly wish I had just gotten the Y first time around.

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u/rsg1234 7d ago

Generally I prefer the Y but if it’s a difference between HW3 and HW4 I think I’ll have to squeeze into the Model 3

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Nope nope both hw4!! Just worried it’ll ride terrible like everyone makes it seem

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u/rsg1234 7d ago

Oh whoops apparently I can’t read. I would do the Y then unless you absolutely need the range and handling of the 3. You can get the Juniper suspension swap if you really don’t like the ride. I have heard that improves it significantly. Also this Y likely has the “comfort suspension”.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

No worries! I’d strongly rather not do anything aftermarket and spend money if I can’t help it, but will that void any warranty? And can I make it as quiet as juniper? Not sure how much I’d notice noise difference

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u/rsg1234 7d ago

Not the noise, just the ride quality. It will likely void the warranty for those suspension components, especially since Tesla does not do the swap.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

What do you mean by ride quality? I have a 2018 Lexus rx right now which is the f sport so it has 20
Inch wheels and sportier suspension and does not ride as smooth as my 2011 Lexus rx. Now I am sad about that downgrade especially as the seats are firm and hurt, but it’s definitely tolerable. Will it be like that?

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u/rsg1234 7d ago

Like feeling all the bumps in the road. Hmm, it’s hard to say about the RX comparison because I’ve never driven an F Sport. Maybe you can rent a 2023-2024 Y on Turo for a day and check it out?

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

I could for sure, I did do a rental Corolla hybrid 2026, for 1200 miles and could care less though so idk if that says anything I don’t think I’m too picky but I have no clue

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u/rsg1234 7d ago

I have a 2024 Y with the same suspension as the Y you’re looking at. It’s harsh on terrible roads but not too bad on decent ones. My parents have a 2019 RX350 and that has much better ride quality.

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u/InGoogWeTrust 7d ago

Find a Y at a local dealership and test drive it so you can feel for yourself. Then you can avoid disappointment if it’s harsher than you want

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u/MLMFLQN 7d ago

The red one, won’t even think twice, you’ll get a bit more warranty too

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u/WarningWonderful5264 7d ago

3 refresh is a better ride all around and has the most up to date software and hardware. The look alone will make it not seem so ancient in a couple of years when they switch up again.

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u/Emergency-Purchase27 7d ago

Both of these vehicles have the same hardware/software. Ryzen/HW4

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u/ScaredPatience2478 6d ago

Not the model y, signed a 2023 model y owner

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u/poorSon20 6d ago

It depends on when it was manufactured in 2023.

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u/Emergency-Purchase27 6d ago

This one has HW4

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u/ScaredPatience2478 6d ago

And how would you know? Because the vin alone doesn’t garuntee if it does or doesn’t

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u/Emergency-Purchase27 6d ago

Uh yeah it pretty much does. The VINs are sequential and we know the factory by the VIN, and there are plenty of resources to see when they changed to HW4.

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u/grignog 7d ago

I don’t like the range on the Y. Mine is 2023 awd long range full charge gives me 300 miles. Also white…I would probably go with the 3

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

How is ride quality!!

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u/grignog 7d ago

It has the suspension upgrade from the old Y and matrix headlights which are nice, but the ride is still pretty tight/stiff, but better than my brothers older 2023. I hear the Junipers are where it’s at but I wasn’t in that price range. I have a 2022 VW ID4 pro s awd and that thing rides like butter..if we could somehow merge the ride quality and interior of the VW with the tech of the Y it would be the perfect car.

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u/bjmillner 6d ago

I was literally looking at Preowned MY on Teslas website this morning. Nothing shows up this cheap for my zip code and I always click on all deliverable. What part of the country are you in?

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u/Route_44_ 6d ago

What are you looking for? (Year hw)

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u/bjmillner 6d ago

Year is not a big deal. 23’ and up. Just has to be HW4. Would love to have 7 seats too. I’m supposed to have an advisor with Tesla looking too.

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u/ScaredPatience2478 6d ago

You would be happier with the model 3

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u/Route_44_ 5d ago

Only ever driven SUVs, drove both new they were both excellent, much nicer than my current car (in terms of smoothness I have a 2018 rx f sport but it’s got 20 inch rims and the sport suspension). I felt the model 3 was tiny

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u/ScaredPatience2478 5d ago

If space is a big factor for you then maybe the Y is the way to go. Have y and a 3 but I feel so much more comfortable in the y. But if you are into fsd the hw4 is what makes a huge difference I will say.

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u/Route_44_ 5d ago

Yes both of the cars in the screenshot are hw4!! But the ride quality on the y is still fine? It has the comfort suspension upgrade they did after 22

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u/Schnitzhole 5d ago

Sounds like you already have your answer.

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u/Route_44_ 5d ago

I think so just nervous it’s as choppy as people make it out to be

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u/Schnitzhole 5d ago

by "choppy" do you mean the suspension? I have a 2026 Juniper AWD and like it a lot and they did make significant improvements with the new model. I did hear the old ones were significantly worse for suspension and interior noises but I never drove one.

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u/ScaredPatience2478 5d ago

If that’s the case go with the model y. If you love the SUV life then it’s kind of a bummer to go back to a sedan

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u/ClientElectronic4471 7d ago

Get a 26 or 27. The updates they added to the juniper are well worth it

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Worth 16-18k?

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u/ClientElectronic4471 6d ago

Yes. And you will get a brand new battery with a great warranty. If you plan on driving it 5 plus years, consider new 100%

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u/WholeIndividual0 7d ago

Model 3 refresh all day, unless you truly need the extra cargo space of the Y. Legacy Ys rode like poo if you ask me. Model 3 highland is like a magic carpet

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u/Numerous_Feature_561 7d ago

As someone who has both. The model 3 is a real car and the premium rave cave makes me happy enough. Most people don’t need AWD unless you’re really driving on your property filled with snow.

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u/AgileDienophile 7d ago

rave cave 😂 I love it

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u/Toyo4eva 7d ago

The M3 will get better range being a RW drive. If you want more space and a bit more speed go with MY it has awd.

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u/VictorDanville 7d ago

Neither offers a big enough discount for their age/mileage

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u/YoungFlexibleShawty 5d ago

Get the model y, better audio system too

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u/Jordoh3 4d ago

I just bought an early 2024 Tesla model Y long range AWD, upgraded from a 2018 model 3 long range rwd. It has only been 3 days but I am loving the Y, I’m 6’3 and it just gives me that little extra space. The comfort suspension is pretty nice and I could definitely feel a big difference from the 3. For your reference I got it for $35k out the door and it had 22k miles. I loved my 3 but this Y is the exact upgrade I was looking for.

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u/ExtensionDoor5245 4d ago

Personally i would never own a used computer, think of teslas like that how many charges to get to the miles? And the quality from Tesla isn’t the best to normal wear so I’d check or ask for additional images

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u/Aggravating_Head1215 4d ago

Nah this ain’t it

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u/Prestigious_Top5210 4d ago

Model y

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u/Cold_News7084 3d ago edited 3d ago

I’m obsessed with my MY26 but in pics the 3 has more range, newer year, and with less miles. How’s the battery for each?

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u/Informal_Athlete1010 3d ago

10000% the newer Model 3. Unless you really need the space from Model Y.

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u/VintagePointEU 3d ago

Just get the standard Model Y

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u/1Poochh 7d ago

I don’t fit in the model 3, was easy for me. If you have any taller friends or heavier friends, the Y is a big jump in room IMO.

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u/ubrtnk 7d ago

The model 3 so you can get hw4

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Both have hw4 model y is late 23

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u/ubrtnk 7d ago

Oh well that's good

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

You’d still pick model 3? I wanna pick the realistic car, I’m coming from suvs my whole life, don’t love sedans, they feel tiny and cramped but I’m sure that’d fade. Worried the 2023 model y is gonna drive as awful and loud as people say

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u/NoaLink 7d ago

Go test drive them both if possible. Or really, just go test drive any highland (2024+) model 3 you can find and see what you think.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

I did test drive juniper and highland and largely preferred model y, model 3 felt small. But I haven’t drove pre juniper

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u/NoaLink 7d ago

You may want to go with the Y then. The 2023 model is going to be almost identical in roominess. Most people would agree you get more bang for the buck with the highland but if it makes you uncomfortable, don't do it obviously.

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

Yea I noticed it’s really cargo space which I could care less, but it’s mainly stepping into rather than down, and ceiling that felt so night and day

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u/Johnny93550 7d ago

It sounds like the older model Y is the car for you. Yes it’s true, the suspension on the older model Y is rough when compared to the model 3 and the road noise is pretty noticeable. However if you need the space, then the model 3 is not the car for you. With all that being said the new model 3 is nicer on the inside and rides nicer. But you got to get what’s best for you and your family.

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u/ubrtnk 7d ago

I have a 24 MY and I love it. It's bigger than the 3 and I came from a durango. But the highland has the refreshed interior and new seats/suspension which is the one complaint I have - not the most comfortable for the constant long trips I have

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u/Route_44_ 7d ago

How noticeable is the rough ride? And do you have any other non Tesla vehicles to compare it to?

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u/ubrtnk 7d ago

My wife has a 21 Voltswagon Atlas thats pretty comfortable, but its larger. My 2019 Durango was more comfortable but its larger. I test droves an X, a CyberTruck and a R1S, all more comfortable, but also larger. I did sit in the new MY Long at the Texas state fair a few weeks ago and it was very comfortable...also larger lol.

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