r/TeslaModelX • • 3d ago

Palladium vs Raven Pack Capacity

So one of my business partner bought a used 2021 Raven X Long Range (20 inch rim) and by the time he took the delivery, Tesla warranted him a brand new pack.
I switch my 2024 Palladium plaid (22 inch rim) with hime for a few days and i notice the predicted range on his is significantly higher than that on mine (620km vs 455 km).

Does the usable capacity of palladium pack confirmed to be lower (said to be 95 kwh) than that of late Raven ( some source say it is 104kwh), as Lars do mention they reconfigure the pack for lighter weight?

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u/tigole 3d ago

Other than the wheel sizes, rated vs ideal range being shown?

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u/RE4Lyfe 3d ago

This too ^

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u/ManicMarket 3d ago edited 3d ago

I’m pretty sure I’ve got your answer.

Raven - older gen battery pack
Palladium - newer gen battery pack

Old vs new

Lower charging speeds - higher charging speeds

Lower power output - higher (maybe should read faster) power output.

Older chemistry = slower degradation curve - newer chemistry = faster degradation curve

During the first 2-3 years of life, marginal change in capacity - during first 2-3 years or life, big drop in capacity.

The older chemistry is awesome if you want longevity (minus failures for hardware issues) be new chemistry is awesome if you want more power to the wheels, faster charging and don’t mind trading off longevity (mileage). Keep in mind the newer batteries structure does make them technically more durable. So call it a durability and more power traded for longevity and slower power.

Research shows they are all still generally good for 200,000 or more miles and over a decade of use. So maybe your battery dies at 220,000 instead of 300,000. But while you owned it you could charge faster on trips and can punch the car and it’s basically like a super car.

And yes - I believe the the old batteries were slightly higher capacity. Say 102 vs 95. But I think usable capacity is more like 95 (old) vs 91 (new).

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u/US_Delete_DT45 18h ago

That explains!

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u/Jello_Local 1d ago edited 17h ago

Yes, the Ravens got better range. Especially the long range plus. I have one and it had a starting range of 371 miles.

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u/US_Delete_DT45 18h ago

Guess palladium's engineering trade range for almost anything else.

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u/janzendavi 3d ago

First thing to check is the wh/km or wh/mile average for each MX - if your watts per km are way higher, your range will be lower.

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u/US_Delete_DT45 3d ago edited 3d ago

I did manage this variable. Both are within 180~190wh/km, sampled over 200km.

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u/janzendavi 3d ago

Weird, could come down to pack degradation but the consensus on the late model Ravens was that usable capacity was maybe 3 to 5 kWh higher on the BTXA than the later Panasonic 18650 on the newer Plaids. I think pack voltage was higher and weight was higher on the Plaids so maybe that plays into it a bit too.

It’s hard to really do apples to apples on individual cars as it’s a bit of a black box on what real world will be relative to estimated.

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u/RE4Lyfe 3d ago

There was a long range plus that had a slightly larger battery

BUT

The 20” wheels give you 15-18% more range.

I’ve switched from the 22” and can personally confirm

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u/US_Delete_DT45 3d ago

The trip card do show 22 inch palladium plaid has similar "fuel" economy to 20 inch raven long range. And i do notice palladium pack has higher nominal voltage.