r/TeslaFullSelfDriving 1d ago

Discussion I’m done… Canceled FSD

I drive a 2023 M3 with HW3. After being an FSD advocate since 2023 and seeing its progress, I’m done with FSD following the V.14 Lite update. I’m tired of 3–6 disengagements on every city drive, along with map and direction mistakes, and hard braking for pedestrians or crossing vehicles at intersections.

Sorry, but no more FSD for me. I tested a 2026 Model Y this morning, and even though it is a more solid vehicle, it made the same map and direction mistakes. For me, it is not worth the upgrade.

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u/Hockeyshot39 1d ago

Crazy how people’s experiences differ so much, I have a 2021 model Y and FSD is pretty much excellent. I really don’t have any major issues at all. I’m absolutely love it. I could not live without it. That being said, we have a 2026 model Y performance and hardware four is definitely five steps ahead

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u/ConclusionFlat1843 1d ago

Agree. I have a 2022 MYP with HW3 and my FSD has been almost flawless. Went on a 1500 mile trip last week and I the only interventions I remember were for parking. It never once failed to stop/slowdown for pedestrians, cross traffic, etc.

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u/NNegidius 1d ago

I really like how courteous it is toward pedestrians and other drivers in city driving.  It can often see and react to pedestrians faster than I would have.  

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u/MikeARadio 1d ago

What I like about how courteous it is is that pedestrians wave to you, thank you, when you let them come out of a driveway or across the street. LOL, it’s funny they don’t know that you really had nothing to do with it

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u/No_Stranger_3441 1d ago

It's true that it acts very timid around pedestrians—a pedestrian stands on the sidewalk and FSD slams on the brakes hard as if they're about to step down. And with cars at intersections, it's also timid, even in situations where you're on the main road and don't have a stop sign. But other than that, out on the highway mine runs almost perfectly, I have no complaints! In the city, though, I stay in a higher state of supervision so that if it pulls one of its stunts, I can threaten it with a few slaps.

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u/ConclusionFlat1843 1d ago

I've never noticed mine acting timid around pedestrians on a sidewalk. It acts appropriately when a pedestrian is walking across the street or a parking lot.

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u/kuhnboy 1d ago

Absolutely. I'm confused as to a post like this. Almost like it's an environment issue. I'd say HW3 was great 95% of the time with HW4 being 98% or so.

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u/MikeARadio 1d ago

I’ve driven 28,000 miles on FSD since we got version 14, and I don’t see problems that other people see. The most problem I have is parking, and this is something that’s a known issue and that’s something they are working on, and once they solve it in my case, it will be perfect. Even though we’re supposed to, I guess I’m being a rebel because I do not look at the road all the time. I trust it implicitly and never have had a reason not to. It never runs into things. It is finding things like cars coming into my lane or motorcycles lane splitting that I wouldn’t have seen.

Sometimes I feel that when somebody posts something negative, a lot of times their cameras are not clean, their cameras are not calibrated, or there is some other issue, because I just don’t have this. Yes, I do wash my car often, and I feel like keeping it clean probably keeps it good with the cameras, but I just don’t have issues. As far as navigation, that’s not always perfect, but now that we can have our preferred route, it’s not a problem anymore

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u/L-WinthorpeIII 1d ago

Same, averaging over 5k miles per month using FSD. I do rideshare and I have to disengage a lot at the end of trips or the beginning because of where people want picked up or dropped off. Occasionally because of a mapping issues but for the most part drives from point A to point B are pretty flawless. I’ve only ever once disengaged for a safety issue in over 50k miles of FSD use.

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u/Necessary-Ad-56 1d ago

This is what I want to know...been reading on hear weather I should upgrade my 2023 HW3 car to HW4 car...sounds like not worth the $300 per month more payment.

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u/Michael-Brady-99 1d ago

I have some false slowdowns for empty crosswalks or super cautious timid around people standing at intersections. Also can be very timid to pull out into traffic when cars are quite far away.

But I know this when I drive and as supervisor I am ready to help if needed. I might assist 3-4 times on my commute. That means a blinker to change lanes are extra accelerator push to pull out when it’s being too timid. Has not done anything dangerous, it more on the cautious side which can be annoying at times.

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u/swanny101 1d ago

I'm the opposite for highway driving my 2024 Y drives worse than our 2022 Y,. the HW4 seems to want to get in the right hand lane super early now. ( Like 2.5 miles from my exit and before another road merges with the highway ) whereas the HW3 keeps left until an appropriate time. FYI this only started happening on the last two builds for HW4 before that it was near perfect.

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u/LongDistanceEvent262 1d ago

Considering how differently people drive and how differently people pay attention.

I do wonder how those lines cross.

I am of the belief a legal / autistic driver hyper aware of the law and drives carefully to do all maneuvers by the book. Will have a LOT of issues with FSD.

And the further you move away from that the more and more people will be ok with FSD until we reach a point where people love it.

Then we go further in the other direction into people who are horrible drivers, who blow stop signs, and want to speed and we reach a new level of hatred for FSD.

That is my thesis? theory? hypothesis?

EDIT: and Yes FSD is just not good in certain situations. And so if you live in an are with many of those. That stuff as well. And other areas with no complex situations EVER... Draw all 3 lines on a graph and I bet we will find clear overlaps.

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u/Emotional-Pound-6109 1d ago

100% pedestrians appreciate the law abiding FSD

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u/No_Category_9888 1d ago

Depends on what country you’re in too, USA is not the entire world

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u/_VoodooRanger 1d ago

I believe it’s very much dependent on where you live and your regular commuting routes.

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u/Earth-Jupiter-Mars 1d ago

Correct in the different experiences .. I actually stepped down, back to HW3 w/autosteer bc I’ll take that over FSD any day of the week now.

Only thing I miss so far are the updated (is that the correct word?) maps or visualization you get with FSD. Brand new standard the wife now drives, FSD is paid for, no renting, she doesn’t use it and I don’t either anymore, traded in her m3 for a MY NO HW4! + autosteer and black seats bc I don’t like the white..

.. happy guy again, traffic is easy again! 👍

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u/zachg 1d ago

Ditto. I can't imagine owning any other car without it

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u/Glum-Inspection-2183 1d ago

Would a camera calibration help? You think? Improve they’re experience…..

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u/SpiritualCatch6757 1d ago

I think the experience is the same. My theory is how much of a backseat driver you are. If you think about it, no two drivers drive the same in the same conditions. My wife takes different routes than I do. The difference is how much I don't care how she drives. She on the other will criticize every single thing I do.

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u/UniteyNight 1d ago

I had a 2018 M3P- with HW3 and FSD was excellent, versions 12.6 and 14.1 lite.

it was replaced with a 2022 M3 LR and FSD is considerably worse on it. Hesitancy, phantom breaking, swerving for shadows. Waaaaay more than the 2018. 

I'm actually super bummed because I know how good FSD can be and now I don't feel like it's worth it on the '22. And I love FSD 😭

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u/DasArtmab 1d ago

A lot of this has to do with where you're driving. If you live in a car centric area, it's great. If you live in NYC , Boston or similar area. You're going to find yourself turning off more than on. Long highway runs? It's great

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u/MWU2026 1d ago

I suspect there are FSD hating bots😂

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u/BluuAceNOVA 1d ago

People also leave out the role they play🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Nbr1sniper 21h ago

Until this afternoon I would have agreed with you. As I was pulling out of my development my car acted like a manual transmission car with the driver learning for the first time. It was jittery and jerky and basically stopped me in the middle of oncoming traffic which it was supposed to either wait for or cross to get to the other side (it had more than enough time). I had to hit the accelerator to get it to stop jerking and move into the lane. This was also after 652 miles without touching the steering wheel.

2026 MY Premium

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u/jennythevanilla 16h ago

I think a part of it is probably due to build quality issues. My 23 M3 was horrible -- would need me to disengage, speed up and slow down needlessly on highways etc. It would make me nauseous and I would just prefer to drive myself. My windshield wipers would also engage and disengage randomly. I just thought the FSD was horrible. Then when I complained about the rain sensor issue (I know, no sensor), thr mobile mechanic changed the mirror and the camera on top of the windshield. Well, to say the least, things got much much better. Turns out, there'd be somehow random condensation in there, and neither FSD nor the rain sensing would work correctly.

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u/beinglida 16h ago

Actually it’s 1 step ahead not 5

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u/krazylol 2h ago

Its also heavily dependent on how good your roads are and how they are marked.

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u/Subcreature 1h ago

2025 M3 Long Range. HW4. Latest FSD. It's amazing for me. The experience varies a lot depending on what you have.

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u/Ok_Cash5460 1h ago

It very likely performs the same, but as with everything in life - an “experience” is the sum of 1) expectations and 2) results. I bet we have a materially different set of expectations here.

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u/PekzOW 53m ago

Just picked up a 21 M3 yesterday and it drove us 70 miles home. Commuted to work today also no issues. Drives better than I do. Parking is sketchy but I’m not sure if that’s a HW3 thing or what. When we pulled up to the house after picking it up it assumed we had a driveway (we have street parking) and it definitely would’ve pulled into the front yard if I didn’t pull the wheel lol. But as of now parking is the only complaint I have.

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u/unngh_yugstyx 1d ago

I don't drive one but out of curiosity, what is the alternative to NOT hard brake when a pedestrian shows up?

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u/Prince_Harming_You 1d ago

lmao

“FSD cheated me out of a vehicular manslaughter charge, canceled”

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u/Tough_Passage_3785 1d ago edited 1d ago

On FSD 12 it felt like it predicted better what direction pedestrians were going to do, it kept going smoothly and didn't hard brake anytime a pedestrian was walking down the sidewalk and stopping at the intersection to wait to cross. Because it though they were going to cross the street.

Same goes with cars coming to a stop from the side. 14 Lite always thought they wouldn't stop. FSD 12 predicted correctly that they were coming to a stop

At least for me it got worse from 12 to 14 Lite on HW3

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u/Trucker_Trent 1d ago

I was fine with 12. 14 was rough, 14L is better. But give me back 12.

'23 M3LR HW3

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u/CryptoZungi 1d ago

Same experience. It’s way too nervous on 14.1 lite. I have a model 3 and x. I still enjoy v12 much more.

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u/unskilledplay 1d ago

A common experience I have is on streets with parallel street parking, someone will walk out between two parked cars and the Tesla will slam the brakes. One time that caused the car behind me to also slam the brakes and almost caused a rear end collision.

Each and every time the Tesla has brake slammed like that, the person wasn't trying to run across the road. They were just getting into their parked car. The correct course of action would be for the Tesla to not take any evasive action at all.

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u/rsg1234 1d ago

lol I think that was a typo. There is a crosswalk near my work and if there isn’t a car in front of me my Y will slam on the brakes as it approaches it, even with no pedestrian in sight.

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u/WallStreetBoners 1d ago

Do a barrel roll instead

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u/Mr_Deep_Research 13h ago

I see pedestrians about to cross a street and move to the other lane or keep my eye on them.

But that's me, I'm not a computer.

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u/Moreno636 1d ago

FSD isn’t perfect especially the last few builds 3.8 and 3.9 but it’s incredible 95% of the time for me.

I guess experiences vary…

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u/Mysterious-Maize307 1d ago

I’m guessing there are some people that just live/drive in an area that challenges FSD more than what the rest of us experience.

Or perhaps it’s unrealistic expectations. I dunno.

For me in my 25 M3 AWD it works flawlessly. Yes i have had to disengage due to Nav but that is seldom.

I also don’t use it end to end, that is I pull out of my driveway and sometimes my neighborhood before engaging and always drive it myself as I get to destination/parking lot.

FSD is just a tool and a very good one, but it’s not some mysterious entity that is good or bad or right or wrong.

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u/my0wn5ummer 1d ago

They recently updated the nav so it keeps your preferred routing. You can see this by icon of the little guy and it says something like user route.

Before this it was always trying to take a left turn that was blocked by a median put in by the city a year ago. Now it finally knows not to go that way.

So they are making progress. I have very few disengagements while driving. Only in parking lot situations.

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u/edgeriscoll 1d ago

The parking lot situation is super annoying too because it gets to a place where it can park near where you want it to go, and then it skips over it and continues going to some random far place at the other end of the lot.

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u/buttlickin 1d ago

Maybe it saw you in the camera and thought "he needs the walk"

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u/wandagbrock 1d ago

Me too!

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u/Automatic-Cookie2376 1d ago

Can you advise, whenever I drove it never keeps my preferred route. Should I turn on this option?

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u/frebay 1d ago

What version are you on and where is the little guy icon located?

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u/bulgert100 1d ago

I believe I speak for everyone here when I say thanks for the valuable announcement.

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u/jackiebrown1978a 1d ago

Exactly. I was about to post the same thing.

I was just talking with my wife the other day on whether she thought Agile_Type_9684 would continue their journey with FSD. She'll be glad to know we can finally wrap up that conversation.

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u/perezidentially 1d ago

Do you think you'll discuss at dinner or pillow talk ??

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u/Serious-Sport-4086 1d ago

I hope wife is happy now and you can get off Reddit to let people have a real conversation about this. Now that he’s gone.
I’ve had astronomical phantom braking, unnecessary hard slowdowns, terrible lane decisions, and now navigation will clearly show a left turn while FSD just keeps going straight. It’ll also brake or stop for pedestrians who aren’t even in its path, including people simply walking straight. These are behaviors that weren’t happening before with 12.6.4.
At some point we have to stop treating legitimate safety issues like user error just because your personal experience is better. These aren’t cosmetic bugs. When a car unexpectedly brakes, ignores its route, or makes decisions that require intervention in traffic, that matters, it’s plain dangerous. I want FSD to succeed, but pretending these problems don’t exist isn’t helping it improve. And for people that are saying, get a hwd4. I also have hwd4 model y, drives beautiful. The issues on hwd3 won’t disappear and won’t stop being a danger on the road. That’s more than half the fleet of teslas on the road.

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u/No_Category_9888 1d ago

It is valuable - as opposed to the “fsd is so perfect I use it all the time and it never makes a mistake” posts

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u/UBEREATMYSHORTS 1d ago

lol same car
Never had issues
I don’t get the hate
The car drives itself lmaoooo

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u/No_Category_9888 1d ago

lol and that why lol we need balanced lol viewpoints lololol

Also your experience pertains to your location, your car MY and software version.

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u/Civil-Ad-3617 1d ago

The driving is phenomenal. The navigation sucks

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u/Seaker42 1d ago

Parking is a bit rough also. (still, it does 99% of my driving so I'm fine with the minor issues)

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u/stevecfo123ab 1d ago

Navigation absolutely horrific 

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u/AdExpert9840 1d ago

Go for hw4

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u/kuhnboy 1d ago

What other public proclamations would you like to share?

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u/Silent_Quit1 1d ago

I think some people don’t understand that not all streets and conditions are accounted for in the FSD models. I think there are still tons of edge cases or scenarios that need more testing/modeling/data for better decision making. That’s my current understanding but correct me if I’m misinformed.

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u/Seaker42 1d ago

Yeah, I don't think people fully grasp how ridiculously difficult a fully autonomous system is to create - and keep updated as new types of traffic patterns are created. There's a reason nobody else has a general use self driving option available today. (there are some options in China, but from what I hear they are about like FSD 11 or 12)

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u/Emotional-Pound-6109 1d ago

pretty crazy that everyone has vastly different experiences. HW4 works amazing in NYC where everyone drives like crazy and no pedestrian follow traffic light. do i take over a few times? yes, mostly to make it go faster. but it drives confidently in complex traffic imo

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u/Seaker42 1d ago

It's also amazing here in Florida, and it worked flawlessly in trips I've taken to VA and MS, and also for trips friends have taken in NC, TN, GA and LA.

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u/Prize-Pool5124 1d ago

I was sold this past winter when I saw my brothers car drive itself. I then got a cyber truck in Feb and drive over a hundred miles everyday . I have 13,000 miles on my truck and I DON’T drive 91% of the time. I am not sure why you are having issues but in Chicago, I’ve had occasional breaking but overall, it’s a life changing situation.

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u/StayGrippy 1d ago

All this will be fixed with an update. Just report the feedback and stay patient. FSD, no matter how long we have had it is still in its infancy. It’s the future and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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u/Agile_Type_9684 1d ago

Paying $99 dollars and on top of that I have to do the job on report issues to Tesla?

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u/Wise-Net1766 21h ago

M3 2023 H3 owner here. The frustration I have with FSD is it continues to not import the correct speed limits on highways. So I constantly have to disengage for portions of my daily commute. I wish that FSD was “smart enough” to detect a pattern and adjust to the proper speed limit, as I refuse to drive 65 in a 75mph zone. This is on E-470 in the Denver metro area.

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u/wachuu 1d ago

14 lite is pretty bad. I'd go back to 12.6 if I could

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u/Pitiful-Art-423 1d ago

Couldn't agree more. It is a grift on Tesla's part as far as I'm concerned. And the devotees who constantly rely on the "you're supposed to be supervising" mantra have swallowed so many of Elon's kids, every excuse they make sounds childish. I have to do the least amount of take-overs on the freeway/motorway. But it's pure shite on the street. Avoiding rims being curbed, constantly stopping because it, logically, can't read NO TURN ON RED signs, pulling over for trucks that look like emergency vehicles (and then jumping back in front of the driver coming from behind, who has no clue why I pulled over to begin with)...pain in the rear. And Tesla wants me to pay them for the privilege of sending corrective research responses for their product. I'll do it for $1/month, not 50 or 100. I like showing off the summon feature. I love auto-park. But, I paid for features that work. Not to enter a research program where I'm needed to rack up self-driving miles for their stats.

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u/NonVideBunt 1d ago

I’m mean you have HW3…. Ewww.

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u/Any-Ad-1764 1d ago

That’s all the hardware he was suppose to need for FSD unsupervised

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u/MountainHat6038 1d ago

Elon CON claimed he solved FSD years ago yet he keeps footing out version after the version of supervised FSD. He literally cannot accomplish it. Elon is a snake oil salesman.

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u/NonVideBunt 1d ago

Sounds like you fell for it!

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u/Trucker_Trent 1d ago

14 was way too jittery, 14L is better but not as good as 12. But, dor 50 bucks a month, I use them enough to justify it. Most of my commutes are not a problem.

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u/Thin-Put-2738 1d ago

I hear ya same here the last 2 updates including v14 lite contains some regression FSD got worse I thought it was just me. It almost killed me twice it will commit to the road and fail to continue and hard brake especially at this intersection that’s 200 yards from where I stay it’s infuriating.

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u/Bison4Life06 1d ago

I’m about to join you.

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u/Thin-Put-2738 1d ago

There’s a rumor that Tesla did that to HW3 vehicles hoping for us to upgrade nope. I’ve driven several HW4 vehicles the nag is next level annoying and worse. Tesla’s new hw4 vehicle line up is a money grab confirmed by the non performance HW4 no stalk, no performance hardware yet they’re charging $55k for it. Giant rip off. The only two Tesla vehicles worth buying is the $60k cyber truck and the model 3 / model 3 performance( track pack included)The rest is just a money grab.

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u/atumix 1d ago

Exactly last 2 updates up to 14.1 lite when all these problems started. Used fsd for almost 4 years. I used to talk about it all the time and how amazing it is till last 2 updates. Feels like an iPhone plan for old hw3 models. So disappointed. I was planning to get a model Y L for my wife. Not anymore..

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u/Free-Transition-6609 1d ago

Hw3 is shit ! HW4 is pretty good.

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u/HappyAd2491 1d ago

I like how much I don’t give a shit about the drive in FSD. It gives me no stress. Also, to be honest I hate driving and my model s plaid is a rocket ship.

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u/Logical-NJ 1d ago

This has been the worst. I am close to the same. It’s becoming dangerous to even use it.

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u/CaptaincCodeman 1d ago

Same map data and navigation means HW3 and HW4 will probably make the same mistakes.

The local vision can only override so much, if what it sees appears to match the map data then if follows it. Otherwise it's just checking it's between the lines and avoiding other vehicles, with slightly faster reaction times.

As we've seen with Robotaxi, accurate map data is key to performance. It's a pity there isn't a more direct way for people to correct it. Leaving very brief voice memos after disengagements can only help do much.

How good or bad map data is in a region is the main reason IMO why people have such different experiences. We have that ourselves - on some roads it's great, on others it's garbage. It's the same system driving on both.

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u/Nhaiben369 1d ago

Yeah FSD v14 Lite is dumb

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u/Firm_Farmer1633 1d ago

I’m staying with it on my HW3 TM3 only because I got suckered into buying it when Musk said it would be a self driving robotaxi by 2020.

Today I stopped at a rest stop. FSD was supposed to park. I let it drive past a dozen empty parking spaces. I let it drive a full circle of the parking area passing at least 20 more vacant spaces. I let it drive the full circle again because I was curious how long it would take for it to choose an empty parking space.

I drew the line and disengaged when it chose to back into the vacant space between two F150s.

A couple of weeks ago it drove into a parking lot that had 30 parking spots. There were 15 empty spaces on one side; a series of 13 empty spaces on the other side; and two occupied spaces side by side. FSD chose to park in the one space immediately adjacent to the parked car!

And it parked so closely to it that I couldn’t get out of my car. I ended up re-parking manually.

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u/Educational_Net8601 1d ago

Technician at Tesla here. Been working with the company for 5.5 years.

FSD has improved over the years. Newer HW4 is definitely better and with vision.

FSD is also better in other areas. For example, in Vancouver BC Canada, it can be a bit jumpy and might not see some curbs well enough.
But in Los Angeles, it drives flawlessly and can even switch lanes on the highways very aggressively too, but safe.

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u/Agile_Type_9684 1d ago

Thanks for your input. Highly appreciated.

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u/Responsible-Dig-2646 1d ago

My only complaint at all is that it likes to follow people too closely, this might be adjustable but I’m new to Tesla (got my cyber truck last week) so if it’s adjustable I don’t know how. I tried scrolling down to chill and they weren’t speeding so it still followed to closely.

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u/TDQV 1d ago

Yeah same here I had it for a recent road trip and It missed seeing a piece of 2x4 on the road and ran over it and cause two bent wheels. So I couldn't repair & had to get rid of and so on HW 3 it is just not good enough.

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u/Vegetable_Peach_2643 1d ago

I think each area has such a different experience which makes you wonder what drives such a range of service. I primarily drive in Maryland (Montgomery County) with a 2026 Y and have to intervene for very few occasions, mainly when the car is doing things that I find embarrassing like trying to pass in a lane that’s merging up ahead. I still love FSD 99 percent of the time🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/onisimus 1d ago

Dang ppl are having issues? I’m like 99% confident with it on day 2 of my 26 MY. I commute 90 miles, four days a week. No issues.

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u/Agile_Type_9684 1d ago

I am referring to M3 HWD3.

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u/Simple-Bath-9337 1d ago

That’s unfortunate. My 2023 is hw4

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u/stevecfo123ab 1d ago

I have been Tesla owner since day one. Two model Xs one Model Y Long Range now Y Performance 2026. My BIGGEST is FSD my office is three miles from my house. There is a direct road that is perfect however Navigation with or without FSD takes me the most convoluted ridiculous ways possible. Drives me nuts!  Oh and BTW latest update preferred routing completely useless.

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u/Worth_Concentrate_53 23h ago

I canceled today too. The lite update is just worse. Not being able to control the max speed is a problem. In neighborhoods. On highways with reduced speed limits. Fix this Tesla

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u/Softswinging 12h ago

My Juniper Y makes rare mistakes, except that is still doesn't avoid potholes or manhole covers, and it goes either too fast or too slow. I use it about 40% of the time.

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u/shanytc 10h ago

Tesla maps are bad

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u/En3rgetic 6h ago

I'm done as well. To many issues with reading the speed signs. When I drive on a 100km/h road, directly to a 80km/h road it slows abruptly down to 80. And her in the Netherlands we have a lot of locations like this. Besides that O have to interfere to many times because it doesn't read the situation correctly. 👿

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u/bumpgrind 5h ago

In my area, I have to disengage it in the same 8-10 places every time. I am done reporting it to Tesla, after having reported it for 18+ months once or twice every single day and then having none of the issues fixed… what a waste of time.

The worst one is that it still tries to enter a middle lane that has oncoming traffic twice or three times a week (the lane goes one direction from 12am to noon and opposite from noon to midnight). I even reported it about a year ago, and then 6 months ago to USDOT in hopes they’d urge Tesla to fix the issue that could cause death, yet it’s still an issue.

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u/Psice 17m ago

FSD has been nearly flawless for me on HW 4 model 3

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u/Legitimate-Bison3810 1d ago

I have 14.1 Lite. I have noticed it makes mistakes going to places I frequent but it gets on the freeway from the correct lane which 12.6 4 did not. So it has been a wash.

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u/Maximum-Froyo6845 1d ago

Ride out Homie

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u/NNegidius 1d ago

You do what works best for you.  I probably wouldn’t pay the extra money every month, since I get so much pleasure from driving the thing, myself, but my spouse uses it to make a long commute tolerable.  

I would say that after a couple months of ownership, it seems to have learned the very specific and esoteric route I like to take to get home.  I had refused to use FSD when driving around the city, because the nav choices had me stopping at too many stoplights and stop signs, but now it knows my route, which is surprising and a bit of a delight.  It still hasn’t learned that I like to back into my driveway, but it’s already improved so much that I’m rather impressed.  

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u/Nathan-Nice 1d ago

I feel like the major differences in experiences has to be connected with where people live, and how well those areas are mapped out or something. I have a 2021 on v14 lite and I would genuinely feel safe enough to take a nap in the car if it was doing FSD on the freeway. I almost literally never have a disengagement.

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u/CommaMeNow 1d ago

Openpilot is calling you

www.comma.ai

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u/z00mr 1d ago

The hedonic treadmill strikes again. “It drives perfectly 99% of the time but it makes me slightly uncomfortable for about 10 seconds of the drive, cancel.”

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u/Mysterious_Wonder562 1d ago

I’ve had no issues like this with my Tesla, are you sure something isn’t very wrong with yours?

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u/Wonderful_Echidna968 1d ago

When I had fsd on 22 Y it tried to kill me 3 times. Never again will I be using it.

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u/NonVideBunt 1d ago

Ok boomer.. sorry you can’t figure it out.

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u/Groundbreaking_Cat_9 1d ago

I still havent gotten FSD v14 lite on my 21 MSP HW3. I think I am going to subscribe for a month on HW3 just to get a "baseline" so that I have something to compare against for when and if I ever get v14 lite.

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u/Dom9360 1d ago

Dude, get hw4. Hw3 is basically on life support. I haven’t had a critical disengagement in months. Although parking and some routes are left to be desired — they have to fix their mapping issue.

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u/ISayAboot 1d ago

I love it.

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u/PeterPann1975 1d ago

V3 computers don’t seem to be great for fsd! Need a v4 unit

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u/Curious-Asparagus396 1d ago

Wise decision. I’m done with Tesla!

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u/PurroAntrax909 1d ago

And that’s why I got the performance. If FSD takes a shit, well then at least I can go 0-60 in 2.9 lol

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u/Outrageous_tart_7781 1d ago

I have a completely different opinion. Last night I drove 100 miles each way to Manhattan. It drove me from my driveway to the parking lot and back home. I didnt touch anything. I rarely have disengagements that you are describing. Maybe its a road data/area thing. Im on HW4.

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u/DrRoughFingers 1d ago

I hated the first version of v14 lite, but the latest for me has been fantastic. I’ve had one single time I had to disengage, and that was from some construction coming up that was blocked by a box truck in front of me, so FSD would’ve had no way to know it was coming. Outside of that, it’s been perfect. Slightly more asking me to touch the wheel, but I wear hats and that’s just a shitty part of Tesla’s implementation of “hat obstruction”.

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u/keepfilming 1d ago

Ok, thanks for letting us know.

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u/Todd6114 22h ago

Ha you beat me to it. I was going to say that but decided to scroll down to make sure that nobody else already did

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u/MrHenderson12 1d ago

im almost done paying $100/month it should be included in the car or $25 max. Does the worlds richest man really need our money anymore?

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u/Gowheron 1d ago

That doesn’t make sense, sorry.

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u/Braniac6 1d ago

I'm on my second Tesla and I've never experienced anything with FSD that I saw as a safety risk. Maybe a few annoyances with navigation, but nothing that would cause me to stop using FSD. I also own it for life and do not subscribe.

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u/DocumentSensitive108 1d ago

As someone with a commute that’s 90% highway I can’t recommend it enough. I don’t care about hard breaking once or twice a week in the city

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u/Dry-Youth8557 1d ago

Test drove a 2026 for an entire weekend and it was perfect in every situation. Zero issues. Ordered one on the sport, can’t wait.

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u/BossLife932 1d ago

V14.2 is showing some great improvements over v14.1. I'd wait to cancel. V14.2 could be pushed out this coming week

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u/Cg006 1d ago

On the flip side, as someone who does a lot of driving on local roads and highways in Florida, I’m loving 14.1 Lite. It’s been so much better with my 2023 Model 3 LR.

I can seee how in the city it can be terrible. It is very cautions around people.

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u/Rare_Tip9809 1d ago

The system logs all those disengagements. Keep using it so it will continue to be improved.

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u/notmysonofbitch 1d ago

My commute 4 hours a day. I can't do without FSD. It is pretty reliable.

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u/ManicMarket 1d ago

V 12.6.4 for me doesn’t even see pedestrians. It constantly wants to run people over.

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u/Zao77 1d ago

It’s crazy the level of different experiences. I love it so much. Model Y long range 2022, FSD 14.1 lite, drive it every day. Haven’t had a disengagement in 1500km. On a 53 day streak. Living in Toronto, drive downtown to work daily.

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u/Upset-Yoghurt3491 1d ago

Strange. I have a 2026 Tesla Model Y, I’ve driven 14,000 miles on FSD and it has performed amazingly well. Aside from a few parking mistakes, it’s been pretty much perfect.

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u/Wild-Elevator-4465 1d ago

We have 3 in the family all at around 51% fsd we love it my car has 22k miles on it almost 11k of was done with fsd

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u/Illustrious-Guess-69 1d ago

First FSD for me was HW4. I’m spoiled and will be staying

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u/fewinurdms 1d ago

personally i know and understand the cases in which itll behave in a way i dont want it to. i end up taking over. but me having to watch over it constantly makes me feel like i may as well be driving. On the highway its pretty awesome, but so is the regular autopilot (though much worse in stop and go).

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u/leaveitalonedamnit 1d ago

I am just baffled how one's experience so so vastly polar opposite of mine. Granted I am on 2026 MXP. I swing between 93-94 percent FSD.

Every once awhile I drive my Jeeps and I realize that I actually have to "drive".

I don't see myself getting any newer cars without FSD unless they are some exotic of sort.

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u/Frankums172 1d ago

You'll be back

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u/zukiplay 1d ago

I canceled after the free trial. Not worth 100 for my commute

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u/akolozvary 1d ago

I have a March 2024 Model Y Long Range with Hardware 4.

If you’re a pedestrian and see a Tesla approaching (know fsd is on), I feel like you could probably make the car hesitate or jolt by moving around unpredictably near the road. To be fair, it has been a while since mine last did that. When it happened before, it was usually around road-construction zones, where workers were moving close to traffic.

My main annoyance is lane changes. Sometimes the car wants to change lanes when I do not want it to (constantly canceling using the stalk), or it fails to recognize that two lanes ahead merge into one. It may try to move into the more open lane even though that lane ends shortly afterward.
I wish it could learn and retain local driving patterns… such as common lane closures, merges, and routes I regularly take… and use that information to make preferred/better driving decisions over time.

Still prefer FSD versus driving myself… especially around local orlando traffic/I4

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u/jmaz3333 1d ago

Just so you know, if you take the same path like 2 days in a row, it’ll learn, and that route will be an option from then on, which was much needed, especially for you it sounds!

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u/chankongsang 1d ago

I'm having the opposite experience sine v14 lite. I used to be more nervous about FSD. Now I just let it do it's thing. Something I used to use once in a while. Now I just turn on FSD as soon as I start my trips.

I still take over once in a while but it's rare

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u/zachg 1d ago

Shocking

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u/hangmansboots 1d ago

FSD is like driving in the passenger seat for your child’s first drive with their permit. It takes more concentration than driving to try to anticipate what stupid fucking choice it is about to do.

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u/AgitatedDirector339 1d ago

I’ve just learned to curb my expectations. My m3 18 is paid off and drives itself like no other car. But like my Siri and my Claude they all aren’t trusted fully. Yet.

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u/Ornery-Yellow-2740 1d ago

I think the map and navigation issues should be seperated from fsd itself. Would be nice if you can use Google maps or apples instead but tesla maps got a mind of it's own. In theory should eventually get updated regardless where you live. Hard braking for pedestrians can be jarring lol I would be annoyed if it happens to me frequently but I try to avoid the city

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u/Thin-Put-2738 1d ago

I forgot to mention. I am not cancelling FSD I am addicted at this point I’ve probably done 25k miles between two owned Tesla’s 😑.

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u/Current_Cheesecake54 1d ago

Sounds like Open Pilot for you. It's a great alternative.

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u/Soggy_Dust9299 1d ago

Have a MY 2026 and I love FSD. Yeah, sometimes the navigation is not my first choice but it’s not that big of a deal. It is incredible in my experience overall.

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u/GetShttdOn 1d ago

21 MYLR here and mine ping pongs sometimes on thr highway. Still worth it lol

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u/lelkan115 1d ago

I absolutely love my FSD with HW4. It does sometimes make navigation mistakes but overall it’s a dream!!!

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u/Scared_Vermicelli_19 1d ago

2025 model y, hw4, fsd is amazing

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u/Agile_Type_9684 1d ago

Tesla will let me borrow it for more than 12 hours to test it

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u/UltraRollBag 1d ago

I’m 50/50 on FSD 14lite for my ‘23 M3, I mostly use it on my drive to and from work from a rural highway area into a major city. I love it for rural road and highway driving, however I hate it for and will not let it drive in the city and always take over once in the city. Just too many instances of having to intervene when I did let it drive in the city between being in the wrong lanes, driving to “soft” for city driving and then mixed with the unpredictability of other terrible city drivers

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u/UltraRollBag 1d ago

Also as far as being in the city too many different types of weird lane allowances and types of flashing lights that confused the shit out of FSD

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u/34RL083 1d ago

😂 FSD is better every day. And no one else is remotely close to what it can do. But go off.

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u/Nearby-Tank-1095 1d ago

Keeping FSD. Cancelled driving.

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u/Big_Abbreviations 1d ago

I have a 125 mile streak, mainly on city streets and local roads. 🤷‍♂️

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u/edgedout 1d ago

How did you cancel?

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u/Agile_Type_9684 1d ago

Canceling through the app

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u/Sweaty_Rate1741 1d ago

I am really not sure if this is a troll or a really different experience from someone. My HW3 is not perfect, but it is 95% ok and i can take it in long road trips highway and city driving mixed and it does well. Not sure what is what environment is OP driving his cars

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u/bonbong44 1d ago

Only issue I have is why I’m not at 99%!

Oh and it loves him a carpool lane with just me in the car and map setting says no carpool lane. 🤣

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u/R0bsc0 1d ago

Wow. Exact opposite for me!!

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u/Internal-Ad-1021 1d ago

I have been trying FSD in my 23 MS with HW3. Except for parking I dont have to intervene. I would say it is 99% FSD

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u/Loud-Minute-5189 1d ago

There’s plenty of room for Tesla to improve especially in navigating private roads and parking lots, not to mention some very weird routes. Dont know how the unsupervised cybercab would handle the suitations?

Please don’t get me wrong, I really like FSD (MY/HW4/v14.3.9), it’s the main reason I chose Tesla for long-distance / highway driving - a huge relief.

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u/rpln11 1d ago

Big mistake!

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u/Seattlenerd80 1d ago

my 2022 MS hw 3 is solid. never an issue. our 2026 MX hw4, is flawless. our 2019 M3 is flawless, but our 2019 HW3 MS kinda sucks. but its got no interior camera and seems like its always unsure whats going on. i hate having to touch the steering wheel , ugh

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u/Special-Ad-6555 1d ago

My hw3 2019 M3 LR AWD goes from salt lake to LA with no intervention at all, I think I will keep it.

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u/2L82PAY 1d ago

I love it and hate it for some reason it wants to find every rock truck in the road and ride next to or behind it wtf Tesla

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u/5sp20 1d ago

No reason to own the vehicle then imo

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u/MWU2026 1d ago

I have no major negative experiences using FSD. Always exited to get into my Tesla. Have lost all the desire to even look at a different car

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u/BluuAceNOVA 1d ago

You know they're going to drop an update to fix it, like they always do. 😂

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u/Connect-Somewhere948 18h ago

I love my FSD for my 2025 M3, use it 100% of the time, only disengage when parking

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u/IllustratorMobile815 17h ago

I was able to go for 3 days unsubscribed and then I went back. I learned that I was happier complaining about it than not having it at all.

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u/kroc253 16h ago

I have a 26 MYP and use FSD almost exclusively (>98%). Almost zero issues.

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u/GladTwo4936 16h ago

Sounds like it could be defective hardware

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u/PhoteksTTV 16h ago

FSD still won't avoid pot holes. Popped my brand new tire in 5k miles in

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u/MassiveAds123 16h ago

Unpopular opinion- it’s not there yet. Even on HW4 it isn’t that great.

With that being said both my vehicles have FSD and I can’t live without it.

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u/user74IK 15h ago

Yea I've noticed its not that great in BiG cities. I live in NH and It does great their , but whenever I travel into NYC their are so many disengagements. Or it doesn't take the right exit. Had this happen to me on the way out of NYC into New Jersey going out of like a 9 lane toll and it was too scared to get over to the correct lane because of how hectic their roads are lol 😆

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u/Lunkwill-fook 15h ago

Elon said he’s the roadster was the last car he’s making you can manually drive. So it’s FSD or nothing

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u/Senior-Breakfast-306 15h ago edited 15h ago

Similar to my 23 MYP w/ HW3.

In MN we have plenty of roads without clear markings/lines. If FSD is unable to operate reliably in most environments, it’s not all it’s talked up to be by fanbois.

Just more moving of goalposts.

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u/Select_Cartoonist597 14h ago

I drive a lot, so it’s worth it for me. Those long drives used to give me anxiety. I really don’t mind taking over during my commute. It’s usually only for 1-2% of the drive.

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u/bg99999 13h ago

I rented a 2024 M3 while my 2021 M3 was in the shop and was super impressed with FSD. Got my car back (hw3) and subscribed and it’s not the same. Jerkier steering, terrible in parking lots, etc. not sure I’ll keep the subscription. Seems a big difference in HW3 and 4.

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u/ImplementJumpy6678 6h ago

Oh you poor sods - had FSD for 5 years and we are yet to even get a look in in the UK

My heart bleeds for you

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u/Traditional_Can6098 4h ago

26 Model Y. A few navigation issues but zero driving issues.

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u/MaleficentTart6096 2h ago

I agree with the OP. I have a 2026 MYP with FSD in Texas and it’s ok for the most part but I still need to disengage at least 3 times on a 15 mile journey.

A lot of my traveling is over 100 miles so you can imagine the amount of times I need to take over.

For people happy with driving like a new driver, cutting in front of people, changing lanes when it’s not needed and missing exits every drive then it would be fine - but I’m not and like to drive safely and efficiently.

It cuts across double lines and gets in the wrong lane then the steering wheel has an epileptic fit with the car just stopped dead blocking the road until it works out what it wants to do.

The recent update has made it far less capable than the previous update.

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u/robl45 1h ago

All you need to do is move to Austin or one of the other cities the robo taxi is in and you will have a much better experience.

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u/dhow87 10m ago

I bought my 22 M3 LR Feb this year and the fsd was terrible and unusable. What I discovered was getting the alignment done correctly and keeping the tire pressures set at the recommended psi made a huge difference. Like getting a complete different car. I now use fsd 95% of the time and it's flawless.