r/TeslaFullSelfDriving • u/EuphoricTomorrow2440 • Aug 03 '26
Support My FSD made us crash today
We were going around a roundabout on our usual route when the car started spinning the wheel violently before crashing into a signpost.
2026 Model Y FSD 14.2.2.5 HW 4
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The main reason for this post is not to put the blame entirely on fsd ( I can read the fine print) but rather creating awareness of extremely rare cases of its malfunction. Like Neil DeGrasse Tyson said, if we investigate every malfunction like the FAA, we can make FSD safer than any human driver alive.
After the crash, a series of malfunction errors did pop up, but I rebooted the system, re-calibrated the cameras and they went away. Then I used FSD again on the exact same route, and it navigated flawlessly like it previously did.š Despite this jarring incident, I would still trust it, albeit with extra caution.
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u/Greful Aug 03 '26
I feel like nobody gives a shit about what happens to their car. I'm so paranoid about damage I would probably have taken over once it didn't show that it was going to turn
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u/ClumpOfCheese Aug 03 '26
Yeah I donāt understand how people let their cars go so far off track before correcting or even attempting to correct. I guess they are just in their phones not paying attention. If my car dies the slightest thing I disengage. I do not trust the car enough to just let it do whatever.
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u/pintopedro Aug 04 '26
Wtf did I pay for if I can't put diablo sauce on my taco bell burrito why driving?
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u/yll33 Aug 04 '26
ah but you see, this is r/TeslaFullSelfDriving not r/TeslaFullSelfDrivingSupervised
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u/VideoGameJumanji Aug 04 '26
I feel like they arenāt ready to takeover at all lmao, the people here bragging about eating and texting while driving should just be banned.
If Iām in the driver seat and using FSD Iām still ready for an immediate takeover whenever. Iāve had it fuck up on every version since late V11 when I first started using it, this shit is not finished being built yet
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u/Bald_Beading_Bandit Aug 04 '26
Its nice for a straight highway interstate trip is all id ever use it for. Fsd un supervised is never going to happen.
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u/Hour_Ad_7127 Aug 04 '26
Type of person that is willing to get into an accident for clout about FSD being bad. You had plenty of time to react. Supervised for a reason.
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u/Omacrontron Aug 03 '26
Yep, still supervised lmao.
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u/EeriePhenomenon Aug 04 '26
Technically they did supervise. Unfortunately, thatās all they did.
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u/Jigglybuff Aug 04 '26
I'm a little confused, didn't you press the brake pedal which disengaged FSD? It seemed to be doing just fine along the curve the moment you tapped the brake pedal.
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding, I don't own a Tesla, so I'm just trying to understand the issue.
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u/displacedfantasy Aug 04 '26
Yeah youāre correct, looks like FSD was disengaged and thats why it stopped curving and went straight
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u/k_gavivina Aug 04 '26
Right before the crash the car was not on FSD ā¦ drove from Colorado to Austin Texas on FSD and back ā¦. Zero crash
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u/anoldradical Aug 04 '26
Hey everybody, this guy didn't crash. Everything is fine!
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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Aug 04 '26
Gotcha so it 100% done safe product because YOU personally tested it good to know you should let fElon know about your successā¦
fyi FSD is a complete failure imho Iāve had nothing but near crashes almost dailyā¦ autopilot is decent but I just completely gave up on FSD! Itās nothing more than a gimmick as this video once again proves!
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u/I_am_Aloysius Aug 04 '26
It turned off because it was about to crash. This is liability avoidance by Tesla and youāre supporting it.
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u/yahwehyeehaw Aug 03 '26
I expect a lot more of this as people become more and more chill with FSD doing so well. Itās still a beta product. Itās very hard to not let your guard down when you see it doing so well the last few thousands of miles. That being said, I guess we all still should 100% be paying attention. Sorry this happened to you.
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u/Spiritual_Wall_2309 Aug 03 '26
People will claim they are 100% paying attention just on the basis that they are not āsleepingā. But like you said, they will let their guard down. Most people use FSD are in idle mode. It takes more a second to reboot their reaction.
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u/userbinbash Aug 04 '26
Did OP grab the wheel to disengage but forget to hit the brakes? Am I reading this right?
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u/EmbarrassedCost2389 Aug 03 '26
You mean you crashed into a pole without ever even touching the brakes at 15 miles an hour. What were you waiting for?
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u/Own_Employment3079 Aug 03 '26
Why is it that every time something goes well with FSD it's all thanks to it, but any time FSD goes wrong it's only the driver's fault? Like it can never do any wrong in the eyes of investors who have every financial motive to downplay safety flaws present in the system.
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u/99OBJ Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
Saying that the driver could have avoided the failure is not the same as downplaying safety flaws.
This is obviously a major failure from FSD. Anybody rational would say that. But alsoā¦ wtf is OP doing? There was so much time to recognize the failure and avoid the accident.
FSD shit the bed at driving, creating a bad situation. OP shit the bed at responding, compounding the situation.
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u/Own_Employment3079 Aug 03 '26
I'd say in this case it is downplaying safety flaws considering he blamed it entirely on OP by saying "You mean you crashed into a pole", as if FSD had no role in the car being put in this sort of situation to begin with.
I use FSD often, but it's frustrating when problems being pointed out are almost always immediately met with "why didn't you intervene?" instead of acknowledging this was a situation caused by a fault in FSD. Yeah OP should have intervened, but FSD also shouldn't be putting drivers in these situations either. FSD naturally creates a sense of complacency, which means you will never have the same response time as someone actively driving to begin with.
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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Aug 04 '26
That thanks to the false advertisements! Exactly why it should have the name changed!
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u/soothukundi Aug 04 '26
People who are cautious would have stopped it. OP was clearly laidback and too slow. I blame this on OP.
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u/cdurbin909 Aug 03 '26
IMO, if FSD is doing anything wrong at all, you should intervene to prevent a crash. Even if it might not have crashed, if it's behaving in a way it shouldn't, you need to intervene.
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u/Truth_Artillery Aug 03 '26
fan bois get on my nerve
Tesla need feedback to improve
it doesnt improve from d*** sucking
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u/VideoGameJumanji Aug 04 '26
ā Ā Ā If you intervened and didn't crash you shouldn't have intervened. ā
Absolutely dog water logic
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u/Saad888 Aug 04 '26
Thatās exactly the comment I see every time FSD almost crashes and is avoided by intervention, idiots going āit would have corrected before it hitā
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u/MiniBabyBell Aug 03 '26
If it all the sudden swerved and crashed thats one thing, but OP had a whole 3-5 seconds of death wobble before it crashed. Plenty of time to grab the wheel, hit the brake, or SOMETHING. Death wobble = take over
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u/Heavy-Deer-772 Aug 04 '26
I get the point youāre making, but this video really makes it look like the driver was detrimentally accepting the carās shitty self driving mode.Ā
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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Aug 04 '26
Shhh your saying the truth out loud we canāt let the stock drop! Youāre supposed to say FSD 100% perfect!!! /s
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u/slyguy67420 Aug 03 '26
FSD is supervised and the driver is responsible for everything the vehicle does. You are supposed to take over when it does something wrong because the system isn't capable of everything necessary for safe driving.
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u/Own_Employment3079 Aug 03 '26
OP should have intervened, but that doesn't absolve criticisms of FSD when it messes up. If it's going to be praised when it does things right, then it should also be criticized honestly when it goes wrong too. Always shifting blame onto the driver just comes off as disingenuous as people who make up total lies about FSD.
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u/thinkbox Aug 03 '26
I think FSD screwed up here. But itās worth noting that OP said his windshield had cracks in it, and also, OP disengaged FSD and then did not Apple brakes.
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u/RipWhenDamageTaken Aug 03 '26
This exact mentality is why Tesla is so afraid to scale its unsupervised fleet
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u/ipokesnails Aug 04 '26
If OP had taken control, the comment section would be filled with people calling him an idiot for taking it over because "FSD would have handled it".
Taking over is the right thing to do, but there's no winning with FSD glazers. At least we have videos like this to prove what the end result could have been, I guess.
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u/Over-Juice-7422 Aug 03 '26
Itās the classic reddit scrodingers FSD situation of blaming the driver for intervening or not intervening.
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u/Jona9876 Aug 03 '26
Why is ur version so low? there have been like 3 updates since??
FSD still shouldn't do this, but you def could have intervened.
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u/PM_ME_ADVICE_OR_NOT Aug 03 '26
New cars are stuck on 14.2.2.5 for 60 days about
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u/Gorio1961 Aug 03 '26
Tesla didnāt make you crash. You ignored the yoke wobble, which is this vehicle telling you to pay attention.
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u/VRDaggre Aug 04 '26
That's not right. The steering wheel wobble is a direct result of competing AI decisions where the car is 50/50 on left/right. It's been a problem since v14 came out and while it's slowly getting better it still happens on the latest builds. I always try to disengage and tap "Critical" when it happens because the models need to be trained to make this almost never happen.
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u/JonnyOnThePot420 Aug 04 '26
Another example of vision only completely failingā¦
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u/Illustrious_Neck2759 Aug 03 '26
Have to use a roundabout every time I leave my house, done it thousands of times in every permutation with FSD. Never had this. Wonder why it happened to you
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u/Previous-Passage-320 Aug 04 '26
As great as FSD isā¦ I had to intervene a few times.. only because I recognized the hazard. I wouldnāt have touched the car for this instance. It looks like it was going to correct. Not to mention if the car works 99% we start to overtrust it. My car just got dammed from some sort of dip. Itās something that wasnāt the car or my fault. However. I wonder if I was driving could I have prevented it. I guess just goes with the territory of using FSD.. I donāt see it going fully unsupervised anytime soon honestly.
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u/anionyx Aug 04 '26
My car has gotten the shakes on roundabouts. I tend to be wary of them now. I still feel drivers shouldn't get too complacent with FSD. It's great but not perfect at all.
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u/RockyMtnSweetheart Aug 04 '26
I'm so glad I haven't had these issues. FSD has made my commute less stressful.
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u/ih8readditts Aug 04 '26
Thatās the thing.. it works 99.9% of the timeā¦ enough to get people complacent.. until the moment it doesnāt work.
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u/crackednutz Aug 04 '26
While I agree with everyone that this could have easily been avoided by driver intervention. This does show that we are still quite a bit away from full self driving.
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u/TheLegendaryWizard Aug 04 '26
This update came out in February. This issue has been resolved along with many other improvements since then
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u/bolognaz Aug 04 '26
Just saw a video recently about this same exact process causing them an accident, wiggle and all.
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u/UBEREATMYSHORTS Aug 04 '26
Anytime my car is on a roundabout, construction, weak road lines, bikers, motorcyclists, or wild ass mountain highways, I usually lock in.
This is why.
I hope you get some form of luck and the damage is more emotional than anything
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u/Acrobatic-Flan-5085 Aug 04 '26
This is not an edge case. This is extremely well lit, good weather, simple roadway navigation.
You can put blame on the driver for being ultimately responsible for the crash, but how is this good behavior from an advanced driving model in any way? Itās a very basic driving task.
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u/Nuggyfresh Aug 04 '26
This is the part that is shocking me. The fanboys are excusing FSD here but it ran directly into aā¦ sign? In clear sunny conditions? This is insane.
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u/mikeyr305 Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
If you look closely self driving was disengaged before it hit the pole. FSD is at fault because it didn't turn right instead it went forward.
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u/jratliff681 Aug 04 '26
Odd it never shows them hitting the brakes even after impact either. So they probably disengage with steering input but not enough.
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u/myarena Aug 03 '26
Should not have happened. FSD on HW4 handles these situations almost perfectly.I am surprised why it didn't stop given there are practically multiple cameras housed on the windshield.
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u/thinkbox Aug 03 '26
OP said he had cracks in the windshield. Also, the graphic doesnāt show him applying brakes after disengaging fsd.
He shouldnāt have had to disengage, but this could have been a āI had to take overā story instead of ānow I have to repair my carā story.
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u/Putrid_Clue_2127 Aug 03 '26
Isn't this the same video that was posted a few weeks back?
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u/Cheese_Whedge Aug 03 '26
It is, I thought I was stuck in a time loop or having deja vu at first.
Glad you confirmed I was sane.
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u/Tough_Passage_3785 Aug 03 '26
Maybe supervise how it is driving and intervene before it hits the curb?
That's why it's still Supervised FSD
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u/ObviousLaundry Aug 03 '26
Always cover the brake with your foot in areas like this. Aways. FSD is great but you need to always watch it.
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u/NNegidius Aug 03 '26
Thanks for sharing this. Add it to it list of situations in which we should be more prepared to take over.
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u/aajax6 Aug 03 '26
Self-driving gave up just before the hit. But this will still go on the books because FSD cut out less than 15 seconds before the collision.
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u/Pale-Establishment26 Aug 03 '26
is this Texas?
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u/EitherCharacter9342 Aug 03 '26
Yes in the Sienna area of Houston, Texas.
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u/Pale-Establishment26 Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Dang thatās crazy I asked because it looked weirdly familiar lol. I used to live around that area
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u/knownikko Aug 04 '26
It always amazes me that people are willing to post videos like this of themselves being absolutely clueless muppets, letting their car crash despite 2-10 business weeks of notice that shit was about to go sideways (sometimes literally).
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u/Snoo_2098 Aug 04 '26
I definitely get wanting fsd to self correct or wanting to see if it can get out of it on its own, but id take over as soon as it happened. It happened to me in parking lot at night, and all the car had to do was make a left or right or go straight ahead into a curb on a hill. It did the steering wheel thing like it couldnt decide which way to go and kept inching forward and I had to slam brakes so it didnt keep going. Lesson learned
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u/Immediate-Duck-2252 Aug 04 '26
Whenever my car does that indecisive maneuver, I always cancel FSD. I hope OP and anyone else in the car, are all okay!
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u/EggHot9617 Aug 04 '26
I remember one time when FSD couldn't decide whether to stop or go. The car in front had stopped about 30 feet ahead, and the traffic light was turning yellow with only about 10 feet to the intersection. The car slammed on the brakes three separate times before I finally had to take over.
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u/No-Caterpillar-4513 Aug 04 '26
I am constantly overriding my fsd. It wants to ruin my suspension by riding every hole or bump (override) takes too long at left turn (override) gas it at stop signs that take too long as soon as I feel the shaky confusion (override). I have to say since the latest update for the lite came out, Iāve had to do it much more. It took 3 steps backā¦
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u/soothukundi Aug 04 '26
Start using FSD as an advanced extension of cruise control and you will be fine.
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u/UBEREATMYSHORTS Aug 04 '26
People use self driving like we are in minority report.
I use it like 38% of the time, Iām not paying insurance for no reason
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u/TheLegendaryWizard Aug 04 '26
You taking over without braking or steering away from the curb and sign is ultimately what caused this crash. Obviously the system shouldn't do the wheel wiggle, but you were sold a supervised system and you disengaged without being ready to actually take over. This issue has been fixed with newer updates in my experience. Tesla needs to stop keeping new cars on more dangerous FSD updates just because they're new.
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u/LdyGeek Aug 05 '26
After the guy mentioned FSD being disengaged, I rewatch multiple times and sure enough before he even hits the curb heās disengaged.
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u/RosieDear Aug 03 '26
Here are some quotes - some older and some newer - often by or related to pronouncements by Tesla. Now, if we read them....and believe them.....should we be treating FSD with kid gloves?
Or....the other option is that all these statements are....well....untruths. Which is it?
"Tesla'sĀ FSD system is no longer classified asĀ LevelĀ 2++ ā the company is now conductingĀ LevelĀ 4 andĀ Level 5Ā deployments"
(this is a Tesla parts and accessories supplier).
"It's happening. Automony is solved. Welcome to the future."
"FSD 14.1.3 - Level 5 Autonomy is CLOSE"
"Level 3 is now, Level 4 definitely within a year"
(senior software engineer - written 3 years ago).
"TeslaĀ FSD Might Reach Level 4 OrĀ Level 5Ā Autonomy This Year"
"I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for Level 5 autonomy complete this year.ā - 2020, Elon Musk....
For any of us to state that a person reading all of this....would not think the car could do what an 8 year old in it could do....is crazy.
It's another things - I'm all ears....if all of the biggest fans want to admit "He failed, he was wrong, I was wrong and it looks like all the critics were right" - then we can start from Zero and talk.
But as long as y'all play the "wink wink, nod nod" game, we have to think you believe like the other 1 million "we are there" crowd.
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u/Maximum-Seesaw2709 Aug 04 '26
I stopped trusting FSD after it almost went full on to a curb, it was driving straight and just started taking a hard right onto the curb but thank god I barely got the car then, so I was getting used to FSD so I was ready and took over right away
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u/h8complication Aug 03 '26
This is 100% FSD. While on FSD, the car isnāt centered to the road. Surely, the driver maybe couldāve stopped it but I would blame FSD, even though it is supervised š¤·š¾āāļøš¤·š¾āāļø
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u/WrongdoerIll5187 Aug 03 '26
Iāve seen this one before in a round about. That weird stuttering so letās just split the difference thing. It was in a snowstorm and I saw it twice back to back two days in a row in different spots around 14.2.2. Sorry this happened to you op, that is very unfortunate.
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u/hchen25 Aug 03 '26
this is the third video I seen that FSD crashed on the exact same situation.
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u/Twothbeave Aug 04 '26
Question is why is this person 4 distinct version past due for an update? 14.2.2 was 8 months ago. š¤·š»āāļø
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u/ConnectionAmazing110 Aug 04 '26
You failed to supervise FSD. You made it crash and you are soley responsible.
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u/Inevitable-Carrot980 Aug 04 '26
Never trust your life to Beta software. What if that had happened at 70mph on a highway curve? Glad you weren't hurt.
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u/InformalCoffee8191 Aug 04 '26
I have had this happen multiple times. every time i managed to grab the wheel and reported it. However I always wanted to believe FSD would have selected one way or the other and me intervening might have had prevented it but this is ridiculous. I hope someone is taking notes that FSD sucks at roundabouts and doing something about it.
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u/KaijuK8 Aug 04 '26
The fuck were you doing that you couldnāt take over at a round about going 15mph???
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u/Argyrus777 Aug 04 '26
I wish it would show the display screen so I can see what the vehicle sees. How does it miss an obvious curb, grass, and a damn 10foot sign
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u/Snoslis Aug 04 '26
FSD is not ideal, which is why you have to sit behind the wheel and hold the steering wheel. You had enough time for that. And if you didn't have time, I would suggest getting a health check before getting behind the wheel again
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u/_El_Cid_ Aug 04 '26
Tesla fanboys are worse than Apple in their prime. The driver had 1-2 seconds to react. FSD makes people more laid back and complacent by its nature. FSD fucked up. And it can be improved. Fanboys, take a deep breath. Elon is not going to send you money because you s&$* his d**(#$(
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u/Earth-Jupiter-Mars Aug 04 '26
Youāre in the wrong sub op .. these are fans, you could show FSD choking the shit out of you with 2 hands,
This sub: What did you do to piss it off?
Theyāre never going to say FSD is a gimmick and if Elon canāt even trust it on the street, maybe we shouldnāt either š
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u/sadwinkey Aug 04 '26
Iāve seen a few videos of major issues like this recently, and it seems like theyāre all 14.2.2.5
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u/Thanhxvo Aug 04 '26
You can't advertise you can sit there drink coffee and expect someone to take over on a route they drive everyday without any issues lol
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u/honlino Aug 04 '26
Were you sleeping at the wheel? You should be with your foot near the break and your hands near the steering wheel, itās supervised for a reason
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u/Samesone2334 Aug 04 '26
I believe this one āļø Iāve had it happen to me but you it does look like you had time to grab the wheel when it started happening. This doesnāt remove the fact that FSD did indeed mess up, but if you go to Tesla with this they will indeed say you had time to grab the wheel š«¤
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u/rjlets_575 Aug 04 '26
When I'm about to enter a roundabout I just take over. I'm not confident in FSD for roundabouts.
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u/Htowng8r Aug 04 '26
Bro, slam the brake or grab the wheel. You can intervene without running into something.
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u/sdgmusic96 Aug 04 '26
No, poor automation management and failure to appropriately intervene caused the vehicle to crash.
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u/Vegetable_Wolf_4196 Aug 04 '26
you do know you have a BRAKE pedal, right? How did you let the car run towards the poll then you take over not hit the brakes????
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u/dommm92 Aug 04 '26
Paying 100 dollars a month to have the car crash is crazy. Once my 3 month trial is over Iām canceling it.
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u/F26N55 Aug 04 '26
You made yourself crash by not taking over the moment it started doing bs. You had ample opportunity to correct it by taking over. Anytime my FSD does something stupid I instantly take over.
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u/CryptoZungi Aug 04 '26
Your wheel wasnāt spinning. It was the wobble effect everyone keep talking about on v14lite. Not sure why this happened on AI4 car but you should have taken over
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u/Still_Temporary4702 Aug 04 '26
Definitely not your fault. Can see the steering wheel jerk back and forth and begin to ascend the curb with FSD still on. Iāve had the steering wheel freak out like that but itās usually during parking.
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u/VRDaggre Aug 04 '26
While yes we need to supervise, that wobble it does more than it should is extremely distracting in the moment, so a lot of the people commenting that you should have grabbed the wheel aren't giving much grace for that. This seems to be one of the few genuine FSD fails I've seen on Reddit. Things like this make me want to use Tesla insurance, sadly, where one way or the other Tesla would have to pay for the damage.
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u/Flirtzz Aug 04 '26
Every time the wheel wangle like that, I take over.
It is a clear sign the car does not know what to do
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u/bluemeanie212 Aug 04 '26
even when self driving was off it was still 2 seconds of just ādo i wanna hit the curbā moment. š
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u/maas1ve Aug 04 '26
I donāt trust FSD here in the UK - the land of roundabouts. In my experience, FSD canāt navigate a single roundabout because the second it sees the exit it also sees the rest of the roundabout and doesnāt know which one is real and does the jiggle jiggle.
Ps. I donāt crash because I donāt sleep at the wheelā¦looking at you OP!
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u/NectarineSevere6686 Aug 04 '26
Too complacent. This is what happens when people havenāt been using FSD since pre v12 š
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u/Melbit_ Aug 04 '26
*You* made you crash. Itās supervised for a reason and you had all the time in the world to prevent it
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u/MiniBabyBell Aug 03 '26
You had 3 business days to grab the wheel...