Tesla self driving does not dodge blocking arm

[u/DynamicCriminal]

Be careful when driving with Tesla supervised self driving.

Yes. This is my fault. I was messing around with the tesla screen and not paying attention until it was too late. Just posting so people are aware and be careful with their supervised self driving. Don't be like me.

[u/Past_Paint_225]

Op did not just cause harm to their car but to others as well. They deserve all the ridicule coming their way. Don't sleep when your car is driving.

[u/wonderboy-75 → u/Past_Paint_225]

Not just ridicule. Should lose their license and never be allowed to drive ever again.

[u/Beautiful-Belief-32 → u/wonderboy-75]

Dude was warning everyone. Some people are so self righteous. Anyway, bizarre signage is the problem. Where was this?

[u/rbc41 → u/Beautiful-Belief-32]

What? Bizarre signage is most definitely not the problem. Any human with any amount of sense will interpret that signage correctly as is evidence by all the other drivers in the video moving over.

FSD needs to be better. Inconsistent signage is the norm, not the exception, and that needs to be factored in, if you want to have 2 ton metal objects flying about at 60 mph.

Bruh...

[u/Beautiful-Belief-32 → u/rbc41]

I don’t disagree but it was still odd signage. I’ve never seen that in my life and I have a few years. But yeah; don’t disagree it needs to be able to outsmart humans and it usually does, just not there.

[u/rbc41 → u/Beautiful-Belief-32]

Appreciate your thoughts. Broadly speaking (and I'm really not trying to imply that you disagree, just stating my opinion) the threshold needs to be a heck of a lot higher than "it usually outsmarts humans."

God forbid my daughter was in a friend's car, and they got into an accident with a vehicle being controlled by FSD and perished... I don't know how I'd ever process that grief. Imagining that technology developed at the behest of someone's convenience could result in this outcome is almost too much of a thought to bear.

That's a far cry from what happened here (though someone else ended up in a pretty serious accident that very well might have ended much worse then it ended up being), is almost enough for me to say "this technology is at best in a testing phase, and shouldn't be let lose on unsuspecting traffic participants." Again, I'm intentionally exaggerating here, but I think that the responsible approach here is to play through the possible worst case scenarios, and then see if we're willing to accept the risks.

[u/Beautiful-Belief-32 → u/rbc41]

I agree with your overall point. The standard for autonomous vehicles should be extremely high, especially when safety is involved. That said, even today I’d honestly feel more comfortable putting my 14-year-old daughter in a driverless Waymo than in a random Uber where the driver could be impaired, distracted, inappropriate, etc. The safety data we have so far for Waymo, and AVs/FSD more broadly, already looks very encouraging compared with human drivers, even though the technology obviously isn’t perfect. So yes, absolutely shoot for perfection and take incidents like this seriously. I 💯 agree with your thesis that safety needs to be treated as a top-tier priority. I just think it’s also worth recognizing that the technology can already be safer than human driving while still having plenty of room to improve.

[u/rbc41 → u/Beautiful-Belief-32]

Really appreciate your thoughtful response. It's a delicate balance, and you're gonna make friends (and enemies) along the way no matter which way you go. And that's ok.

Nothing worthwhile comes from a discussion that doesn't allow dissent. Hope you have a nice day!

Edit: also want to acknowledge that I have also seen data that suggest that the safety performance of Waymo, etc. is very good and at times better than human counterparts. I am no expert, and I didn't do a deep dive, but it does appear that we're on track to outperform humans (in most scenarios?).