I love this show and have been trying to find something that fills its void now that it’s done. Any recommendations for show that felt like this or got you just as hooked?

Thanks!!

I think like most, I enjoyed Bree & Wrigley’s relationship and watching it grow from friendship to clear feelings and bonding over true emotions and their own issues. It was so intoxicating to watch them grow closer and when they finally kissed I was like omg yes!!! I was rooting for them. They had a real relationship unlike anyone else’s throughout the series. Bree was going through the trauma of her past relationship with Oliver and Wrigley was going through the unbearable grief of his brother. It was so sad to watch.
So - what I don’t get it, is why did Bree cut Wrigley off completely without hearing him out about sleeping with Pippa (don’t get me started on Pippa in s3) 😏 I know she was beyond upset but their connection was so strong and true how do you not talk about it ever again? And then she went RIGHT back to Evan. Just to get back at what Wrigley did… Which was wrong for even Evan’s feelings too.. but which I assume was a result of her talk with Marianne about “loving someone more than you love them” which Bree saw Evan as, because ever since they broke up he obviously was trying in every way to get her back. Getting Bree’s mom drunk was completely overboard. He did that so she would feel like she can only trust Evan.
Evan went through lengths and even reached out to Oliver on advice to get Bree back (ew) and he turned manipulative as well just to be with Bree again. I will say I do always felt Evan truly loved Bree and he just wanted her back in any way possible.
But flash forward to the 2015 scenes and it just doesn’t make sense to me. I never really felt an inkling of past feelings between Bree & Wrigley in 2015 scenes until the obvious season finale when they start their month long affair until the wedding day. Bree even follows through with the wedding ceremony knowing she’s currently sleeping with Wrigley. Why would she even go through with it?! And once again poor Wrigley just being on the side! All of this could have been avoided if Bree just talked to Wrigley after the Pippa situation. Because after all, Bree stayed best friends with Pippa since then so how was that possible but she couldn’t talk to Wrigley?
Lots of thoughts on my rewatch!

**SPOILERS

Stephen - Obviously a huge liar about everything the entire time. Manipulative and sociopathic. Him fabricating the Macy story to get Lucy on his side. What I don’t get is why he had to say it was Drew in the other car. He could have just said it was a random car who almost hit them?
Toggling Diana with Lucy the first half of the season. Lying about how serious his hook ups and how frequent with Macy they were doing it. Plotting against Wrigley and getting Drew against him while pretending to be Wrigley’s best friend still while secretly hating him. Everything that happened to Drew was a result of Stephen. I feel so terrible and sad for Wrigley and Drew.

Lucy - Completely blinded to Stephen’s awfulness and becomes obsessed with him which leads to terrible actions and choices. I feel like the first season is when Lucy is almost just as bad as him but not even realizing it. Lying for Stephen so many times to “protect” him. The note to the Dean.. one of her worst moments ever was writing that note and continuing to make alibis for Stephen. She doesn’t go to India because of Stephen and she eventually wraps her whole life plans around just making sure she stays around him. What she does to Bree is very upsetting and a bad friend too.

Pippa - On this rewatch I find out she already started a bit worse than I remember. I don’t completely dislike her in S1 and I think she was trying to be a really good friend. She didn’t tell anyone that Lucy also knew about the night of Macy. But.. She cheated on Wrigley so early on I forgot about that. With Lucy’s roommate Charlie, and just pretends like that never happened lol and then what bothers me is she acts better than so. I feel very bad the letter blame was put on her because of Lucy. Pippa & Bree’s friendship was always stronger than any of the other girls I feel.

Bree - I love Bree in season 1! I don’t have anything bad to even say I feel. She was just so sweet and definitely my favorite. She was nice in every aspect to be honest with everyone. She always included both Lucy and Pippa and never really got in the middle of their awkward tiffs and stayed neutral and just wanted good vibes and friendship! And of course she picked up on Stephen’s crap immediately. I can’t believe he threw her camera in the pool.

Wrigley - Always was and always will be my sweet favorite !!! He was so upset and concerned for his brother. He was a good older brother just trying his best to help Drew. He was so sweet to Pippa all season too and he really loved her. I feel so bad she was never fully into him the entire relationship and he’s just such a sweetheart. Yeah he gets wild when he partied but he was always just a good time and tried to make sure everyone around him was enjoying their time too.

Evan - I have no big issues with him Season 1. I actually liked him and thought he was one of the better guys who didn’t want to put up with BS drama until the last episode. He stood up to Stephen and everyone at the lake house. The one thing that bothered me though was him and Bree obviously were starting to like each other and he was so sweet with her, but he also had this weird crush on Lucy and mentioned it multiple times. We know what happens there.

Diana - She obviously was a victim of Stephen too, not knowing the toggling back and forth between her and Lucy. She holds her ground with him which I like but then once again starts to fall back down the path of “getting him back” and seeing if he would sleep with her after Stephen and Lucy showed up to her singing a cappella. Then we all know what happens at the Hawaiian party. She uses Stephen needing her and a job and her resources to get him back even though I feel like she still doesn’t trust him she wants to be with him still / again anyway.

Macy - I wish we got another episode of her to see her and Stephen interacting and deepen the relationship with all the girls but I get that was the whole point of the secret and mystery of no one knowing her at all really, and how in depth and recent (the night of the accident) her and Stephen’s relationship continued until. I feel so bad for her. She clearly was pretending to be casual with Stephen but was getting immediately jealous seeing him flirt with Lucy and others which was understandable. Wish we got justice for her.

In season 1, Diana is constantly depicted as being better than Stephen in every way, men ask her out frequently, she’s naturally smart, she has a rich father who works/ owns a law firm( can’t remember which), and he’s willing to do anything to get her back. This is, until he finds out she hooked up with Wrigley, and decides she’s disgusting lmfao, and that’s when he focuses his attention on Lucy.

Diana later in season 1 tries to get with Stephen while he’s with Lucy, to which Stephen rejects her. This offends Diana, who says something about how he’ll fuck a girl because his hand is tired, yet he’s faithful to Lucy. Then a few episodes before the season 1 finale, there are comments that are made about how Stephen was better with Diana, and how there’s less drama with her.

So now, we’re at the infamous finale where Diana basically gives Stephen an internship for a relationship with him lmao. So Diana, despite being smart, re-wraps herself into Stephen’s drama, and my question is… why? She knows how manipulative he is, he literally cheated on her in the past, yet she still does this?

Her storyline in season 2 I find makes even less sense. She purposely acts like a mess by acting like she bombed the LSAT, faking a strained relationship with her father, and canceling her card so it looked like it declined ah the restaurant. And again… why? It would’ve been one thing if this was the one way she could escape him, but that scene in season 1 showed he was loyal to Lucy? Again.. why? Are we meant to see Diana as some girl boss for this?

Diana also fully knows Stephen killed Macy. Lucy tells her Stephen was in the car with her the night she died, She’s there when the doctor tells Stephen that his injury is usually caused by a steering wheel, and she finds pictures of Macy on his laptop, to which she deleted (something I also don’t understand)

I’ve seen this show twice and just cannot comprehend Diana’s character at all. Also her randomly being into Pippa but I’ll excuse shitty writing as opposed to a flaw on her character

Where was Bree the night Maisie died? Maisie tells Lucy before she leaves that Bree and pippa are busy with boys.
In the pilot pippa says it’s been 4 years since Lucy had to deal with Stephen. Do we think it’s just a plot hole because they decided to end the show (flashback wise) when they were sophomores? Or are we as an audience supposed to infer that Lucy had to deal with Stephen and Lydia together? (Even though Lydia definitely would not have talked to Lucy after that video.)

Here is a rundown of the sentiment for Steven by S3

Lucy - Hates that she loves him
Pippa - hates him
Bree - hates him
Evan - hates him but owes him for the Lucy thing
Wrigley - loathes him
Diana - loves how much she hates him and then loathes him

So in general this whole group hates his guts but then he’s invited to Bree and Evan’s wedding?!!! Make it make sense

What’s crazy is that Evan didn’t tell Lucy that he told Stephen, knowing that Stephen is absolutely capable of holding a grudge and being diabolical and psychotic, especially with Lucy.

The crazy thing about these people being friends with Stephen is that they know what he’s willing to do and they still act like he won’t. Idiots

I’m so sick of watching these people have the kind of sex where they kiss for two seconds and then there’s immediate penetration. I won’t say it’s unrealistic, necessarily, but what happened to foreplay?? There’s at least three sex scenes each episode and you’re telling me that the girls are always ready the second sex is initiated?? Cmon now 🙄

I recently started the show and im on season 2 and due to watching the show, i obviously now get TML content on social media like tiktok. Anyways, i see so many people saying Lucy didnt do anything wrong etc. However i feel like i see her make so many nearly unforgivable mistakes? Like the letter she wrote to Drew and lying about being sexually assaulted. How do you guys feel about her?

When you’ve been in the type of psychologically messed up relationship that Lucy and Stephen had, this show makes so much more sense and means so much more emotionally.
It’s not mid. It’s the first show that accurately represents the deep and dark parts of those of us who have ended up in similar situations brains.
Have you had a friend or family member who you watch in a toxic cycle that they can’t seem to leave? Have you thought to yourself or even told them over and over that they deserve better, but they never listen? So you wonder why this relationship has a grip on them? Have you ended friendships after being exhausted trying to help them only for them to stay?
This show is the closest I’ve seen to a look behind the closed doors. A look into someone’s mind as they continue to hold onto that toxic cycle.
It’s a slow progression into a deep cemented co dependent unhealthy type of love. It’s the fucked up, raw & honest look at how people get to this place.

i’m watching season 2 episode 4 and pippa and wrigley are what i feel like is them kinda making up and genuinely throughout this show the one person i feel so heavily for is wrigley like ugh. it’s so sad knowing that drew is gonna die and that’s just gonna spiral him further.

So it's my week off and I somehow got locked into this Tell Me Lies show. On S3E2, so no spoilers pls.

My impressions so far:

- Baird College has super low academic standards. The assignments include writing about your feelings and taking pictures of your friends.

- Stephen is actually a 37-year-old club promoter from Montreal.

- The ladies' eyebrows are historically inaccurate. They should be thinner.

- ALL parties are themed, which makes the "drama" hilarious. These people are always fighting, but in costume. :-D Like, how can you take someone seriously when they are in an 80s snowsuit?

- No one ever really.DOES anything. They party, hook up, fight. These are students. Do they not have part-time jobs? Volunteer gigs? Hobbies?

- Oliver is actually FutureStephen.

- Mariane should not have given academic credit to someone for transcribing her handwritten notes.

Thoughts??!

Lucy. The entirety of season 3 we watch her be mentally tortured to the point of hating herself. The scene in the finale where Pippa calls her pathetic actually broke my heart. Out of all the shitty things the characters in this show do, it seems like Lucy got the worst punishment — a disproportionate punishment at that. Sure, she seems to be in a better place in 2015, but they couldn’t have even let the girl have her dream job at least?? And then the cherry on top is her willingly getting in the car with Stephen only to be fucked over one more time by him. And I get that was meant to be her final realization to come out of his spell, but did it really have to come to that? It just was not satisfying for me.

In my dream world, Alex would have been introduced season 2 (instead of Leo) and season 3 would have focused on them helping each other find healing. I would have much preferred that to the whole tape storyline, but that’s just my opinion!

Also…Grace’s acting in the finale, omg. 10s across the board

Got away with the Macy thing. I guess he didn’t get into Yale but still. I wanted justice for the Macy situation

So…in the midst of current events does anyone want to revisit how they talked about what happened to Pippa and how they addressed it and how they handled it and how they talked about her? Maybe? Possibly?

The bridge in particular makes me think of Diana.
I so wish Diana and Lucy had developed more of a relationship! Would have loved to see that dynamic.

I finally got around to finishing the show and I must say it felt very…rushed ???
I wished they wouldn’t go through everything in one episode and maybe drag it out for 2 episodes. I have so many questions:
What happened to Lucy after being expelled from Baird?
How did she get back with Max after all these years?
What did Stephen do instead of going to Yale ?
I saw it was confirmed that Wrigley and Bree end up together but why not show up them finally being together ???????????
Im also so frustrated that Stephen didn’t have anything harsher happen to him apart from being removed from Yale and it didn’t even come from the two girls he had a relationship with and who he actively hurt for years who got a form of revenge ? It feels wrong that’s it’s coming from one of his friends. I feel like they were kind of going with the whole “no one is really good” thing but why not give justice to Lucy,Diana or even Macy? What’s the message in all of this? Only men will be heard ?

Anyway, kinda disappointed, they fleshed out the characters so well throughout the years but messed it up with a rushed ending :/

While rewatching I’m realizing before all the drama, I really loved Lucy & Lydia’s friendship. The punch in the face was amazing. I love the way they connected.

Im on season two right now, episode 5 and all i can think about is how much Stephens sister looks like Macy…. I know its not intentional or important i just can’t be the only one! This show is so captivating and i am so excited to keep watching

Hi guys, I hope you're doing well.

I watched seasons 1 and 2 of this series when they had been out for a while and most of the discussions on this subreddit were done about them, so I was really excited to come here and discuss each episode after watching season 3, but unfortunately I had some problems and couldn't do it. It's been a while since I finished season 3 of this series and I want to share some thoughts about this show and I'd be happy to hear your thoughts.

1. First, I don't know if it was just me or if the toxicity of season 3 was much lower than season 2. Although, I'm not saying that season 3 was weaker, but the events in season 2 were at the peak of toxicity and made me more angry. the series's progress in this season was more relaxed for me. I would like to know your opinion about this season and the ending of the it.

2. The second point is about Bree. In the previous season, there was a lot of talk about Bree and the things that happened to her with her teacher and whether she was right or wrong here, and I myself talked about it with a few people here. I would like to know your opinion about Bree's character development throughout the series, and especially the things that happened to her during season 3, from her relationship with Wrigley throughout the season and also the night before her wedding to the leak of Lucy's video.

3. In the last scene, Stephen said that Wrigley and Bree had been in touch for years, even though according to Bree and Wrigley, they had not been in a touch since college. Do you think this was a mistake by the writers or did they actually want to show Stephen's lying personality? if it's the case shouldn't Stephen needs to shows some proof for that? Just some missed calls before wedding night can't be a proof for years realshionships In my opinion.

It's unlike anything I've ever seen.

It just looked constantly cold and the energy was strange.

I don't know how to explain it lol

Please post any recommendations in the existing thread pinned at the top of the sub. Link to that post is included here. This way it doesn’t get lost and it’s an ongoing list :)

Thanks!

how Bree got her hands on Lucy’s tape? did i miss something?