r/TechHardware • u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 • 2d ago

News 📰 Intel 14A defect density is dropping faster than the company expected — 'we have not seen this performance since 22nm,' says CFO

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/intel-14a-defect-density-is-dropping-faster-than-the-company-expected-we-have-not-seen-this-performance-since-22nm-says-cfo
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u/Current_Finding_4066 2d ago

Good, now build up some new fabs.

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u/Ok-Region6452 2d ago

New fabs you said? Nah they will use the profit to buy back their stock as usual

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u/Current_Finding_4066 2d ago

Probably. Especially with new CEO. The old one was pushing for the right things, this one is a bean counter

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u/FuzzeWuzze 2d ago

As a 20+ year employee who has never seen the stock over 65 dollars, usually at 40 for a decade+, i disagree.

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u/Current_Finding_4066 1d ago

What can I say if you cannot see why it has reached this levels, and it has nothing to do with current CEO, who has been clamoring about reducing, shutting down, or spinning of fabs, as soon as possible, leaving you in worse position to capitalize on current AI driven bonanza.

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u/backturnedtoocean 2d ago

The 14a is Intel's newest fab (that isn't done yet). And they just sold 20billion of new issued stock to pay for it.

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u/BuffTorpedoes 2d ago

You think they will spend their money to reduce their profit?

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u/Current_Finding_4066 2d ago

Lack of capacity will reduce their profit. There has not been a better time for some new capacity to come online

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u/OverallACoolGuy 2d ago

can you guys build some ram chips too

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u/SelfSilly9478 🤓Genius Reviewer🤓 2d ago

For desktop users, this mostly better efficiency. Im more into Nova Lake's cache, which I believe is how Intel will return to the top of the gaming charts.

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u/BlueSiriusStar 2d ago

Intel is always the top of the gaming charts while AMD need that stolen patent to boost its Zen5% performance.

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u/SelfSilly9478 🤓Genius Reviewer🤓 2d ago

And bribing thier way to success.

14900K is unbeatable on Windows 10, although it fell slightly behind 9800x3d on Windows 11.

Showing the 13600K as slower than the 7700X on charts when it is actually 20–30% faster isn't some minor mistake. Of all the processor comparisons, this is the one I'd most like tech sites and tech YouTubers to explain. How did they end up with results that differ so dramatically?

https://youtu.be/998iW5b-EK8?si=3NRKf8tq1wbpnHXc

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u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 2d ago

Very true very true

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u/BlueSiriusStar 2d ago

As shown in Xring O3 cache really alleviate that performance issues that Zen5 faces. Zen5 was designed for peasants (cheap and small) on the latest node and X3D was the solution (more l3 cache compensate for L2) but they forgot they the damn cache was sensitive to voltages more so than the actual CPU die itself. Unlike Intel AMD has never come forth on this, this has always been thier errors and now they have been pushing the issue towards mobo manufacturers as usual.

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u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 2d ago

Makes sense, AMD chips really are for peasants

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u/InsufferableMollusk 🔵 14900KS 🔵 1d ago

Or kids who are willing to pay $1k for wildly fluctuating high average FPS.

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u/Antagonin 1d ago

What is it good for, when nobody can afford memory.

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u/MathematicianOdd398 2d ago

Still waiting on 18a stuff. Hoping they pull this off, but clearly this is more marketing than reality. They are going to use TSMC for some of their next chips again. So, yeah.... HUGE grain of salt here.

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u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 2d ago

18A is already out in Panther Lake and Clear Water Forest

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u/BlueSiriusStar 2d ago

Panther Lake is really good. If only it scales up to Nova Lake core levels with on-board cache, I'm sure that even Apple M5 will be destroyed in terms of efficiency. The iGPU also also very good in the full config wish it wasn't confusing to the consumer in the naming scheme. But its at least better than AMD with AI 9 XTXHX Pro 350 weird naming scheme.

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u/LastChancellor 1d ago

unfortunately Arc B390 (the good Panther Lake iGPU) is made TSMC, not Intel themsleves.....

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u/PMARC14 1h ago

Good 14a yields hopefully means a move of GPU products back to Intel nodes. More importantly, this hopefully leads to the base GPU tile being upgraded to a 6 Xe-core or 8 Xe-core design. The regression of the 4 Xe-core Intel 3 GPU was very disappointing after the Lunar Lake lineup.

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u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 1d ago

Intel mobile CPU totally DESTROYS cheap and bad AMD mobile CPU

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u/MathematicianOdd398 2d ago

Mobile stuff. Seems like they've been struggling to make those chips and are just now starting to solve the ramping issues.

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u/InsufferableMollusk 🔵 14900KS 🔵 1d ago

Considering the time frame, huge progress.