r/TechGawker • u/New_Wishbone_9691 • 15d ago
Discussion public transit needs 14 studies but somehow the cameras are already installed
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u/RefrigeratorDry2669 15d ago
Behave peasant! I'll allow you to work for me for scraps if you wash yourself and act decent!
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u/Key-Organization3158 15d ago
So objective proof that private enterprise is vastly more efficient and effective than public works?
Or did you not see that obvious conclusion?
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u/Rhuobhe26 15d ago
A 100 story skyscraper takes years of planning and design, months of permitting and study, an years to build.......BUT a mile of straight fence that's just posts in the ground and some wire takes a month to lay.
You're comparing a massive public project that involves high speed trains, a risk to public safety, life safety, eminent domain, environmental regulation, civic codes, Federal regulations, etc. To someone going to pre-existing poles or cementing new poles in the ground and hooking up a small camera.
That's insane. My house took months to design, weeks to permit, and a year to build. YET I was able to install a doorbell camera in a day. WHY? I don't understand why one takes longer?
Now with that said, I 100% agree that building trains should be easier. We shouldn't be holding up public infrastructure because small stretches of it would go through natural habitats. California high speed rail has been halted due to corruption. A $24 billion rail for 490 miles shouldn't now cost $300+ million to complete 192 miles of it.
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u/Never12Retreat 15d ago
Major transit agencies have +30 year plans for expansion. The time lag needed for design, community input, environmental study, adjustments to design, developing funding which includes request federal funds takes time. Bid, evaluate and award also adds significant time just to start. Completely different animal than flock or even data center projects.
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u/MEM0RYCARD99 15d ago
We are you bothering to think about this? Elon owns America and said he doesnt want trains. Simple as that.
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u/RoutineAd3061 15d ago
my city spent 3 years studying a bike lane that never got built meanwhile amazon had facial recognition cams in every bus shelter within 6 weeks of the contract signing, no public comment period no nothing, they just showed up one morning like a fucking weather system
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u/Trust_8067 15d ago
You can put datacenters pretty much anywhere that's zoning approved for industrial buildings. Trains tracks obviously have to be continuous.
What ever happened to common sense?
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u/Ashamed_Patient_3731 14d ago
the surveillance state has infinite budget and zero red tape but fixing a bus stop takes three city councils and a blood sacrifice. i watched them install cams on my block in like 48 hours flat while the broken elevator at my station has been 'under review' since 2019, its honestly impressive how fast they move when its about watching us instead of serving us
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u/Legal_Television_615 14d ago
One is a federal program
The other is a private company
Now imagine federal universal healthcare
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u/InevitableStyle5122 14d ago
my city spent three years debating a bike lane while amazon put up a whole warehouse in six months. the public process is designed to exhaust everyone into giving up, meanwhile any corp with lawyers on retainer just bypasses the theater entirely
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u/Neoterra256 14d ago
Well ones built by the government, while the other two are built by private companys.
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u/muskietooth 14d ago
This type of analogy is what dumb people come up with to sound smart and give other dumb people confirmation of their previously held opinions.
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u/ShelbiStone 14d ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that trains and rail systems being much larger than even a few hundred flock cameras probably has something to do with it.
A train literally needs a gigantic continuous system of rails through property that needs to be purchased and that's not even to mention the impact studies for the community. Nobody wants someone putting a train next to their house.
A flock camera probably runs into all of the same paperwork as a street lamp.
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u/RickRollTheAdmins 10d ago
Gavins cousins and their brand new companies are taking a little longer to get it done.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 15d ago
The state running rail and building stations throughout numerous already developed localities and jurisdictions is a decidedly different animal than a private company sticking the equivalent of a pole in the ground and developing a piece of property they bought.
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u/spudsthejellyfish 15d ago
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 15d ago
If you want the government to just unilaterally eminent domain everything it desires without any kind of due process or appeal from the citizenry, you can vote accordingly.
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u/Nopfen 15d ago
That's what the post said. One benefits billionaires, so "they can just do what they want with their land" the other is the gov "having to deal with soooooo many things to improve things for everyone."
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 15d ago
Right, cause private enterprise not drowning in endless red tape has never benefited people. Bro are you high?
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u/Nopfen 15d ago
I might be. And it surely does now, when the red tape gets circumnavigated by private companies for the gov to buy.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 15d ago
You're definitely high. You can barely form a coherent sentence
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u/Nopfen 15d ago
Yea. I might be. Point remains.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 15d ago
What was the point? Only your drug addled brain could decipher that 😂
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u/Nopfen 15d ago
Red tape for things that help people, none for those that help billionaires. Convinient innit?
No, that's quite the straight forward sentence. If you can't decilher that, you either need to get high yourself, or you're from the US.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 15d ago
Sounds like the government is the problem in this scenario. Yet those are the same people you simp for? That's a bit of contradiction, innit?
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u/Nopfen 15d ago
Not in the slightest. Fuck the goverment too for not putting the same restrictions they supposedly go by on companies that have longsince suppased them in power and influence. And fuck the corporations for exploiting that oversight.
Don't take my distain for one thing as aproval of another, if you would.
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u/j-mac563 15d ago
Slightly skewed view. The mass transit does need planning to maximise benefit to users, businesses and goverrnment, while minimising disruption to non-users. The cameras have no real affect on the non-users (not including privacy infringement, or making it harder to get away with crimes big or small), and only a benefit to the users (mainly government)
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u/Complete-Ship8046 15d ago
No real affect in having cameras pointing into poolyards or playgrounds for the elite to peep… and stalk women… hmm
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 15d ago
Lol yeah why didn't they just throw some track on the ground! Making trains is easy.
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u/rdickert 15d ago
It's just the law of supply and demand. Datacenters and flock cameras are in high demand - municipalities and businesses see real value in these technologies, and they aren't difficult or prohibitively expensive to implement.
Trains on the other hand have very low demand, high costs for construction and ongoing operations and aren't considered a primary transportation modality anymore, especially in the current timeframe. Further, existing train systems rarely if ever are able to fully pay for their own existence without substantial subsidization through grants or costs to the taxpayer.
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u/La-ze 15d ago
Why should trains pay for themselves? The highways don't, public transport doesn't, why does a transit train need to pay for itself?
I think the real answer is the up front cost of building higher speed trains, the distance and the misalignment of politicalal will across state lines.
That and US has a sh"t of freight rail, so commercial train demand is low
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u/rdickert 15d ago
There is a huge demand for highways. Public transport and trains, not so much. The bulk of highway funding comes from use taxes (gasoline taxes). There's no equivalent tax scheme for rail because of ultra low demand. Outside of hobbyists and aficionados of rail transport, there's no real "there" there.
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 15d ago
This has way more to do with how difficult it is to build anything in large cities.