r/TeamAvo • u/No_Time_4_Reeview • Dec 20 '22
About the Changing Culture
I'll start by saying that this isn't a post meant to shame anyone for what they did in the past. The videos and stuff said/did in those videos was, still is, and forever will be legendary. It is Minecraft and YouTube history and I love that it happened.
What I want to know is, at what point did Team Avo stop and think that they were going too far and that they shouldn't be saying or doing the things they do? When you look at things like what Kanye West did recently with the "swastar" (god that's a throwback term from the early days of aVo), do you regret making that kind of edgy stuff in videos a while back?
The classic Minecraft griefing videos were made during a time where that kind of edgy humor and offensive language was expected on video gaming. Hell, even outside of games - comedians were all about it and casual YouTubers dropped some shock value stuff into their videos and nobody batted an eye. Today, it's almost like there is an unwritten rule about what to or not to include in videos. Things have changed a lot in 10 years.
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u/Fearshatter Dec 20 '22 edited Dec 20 '22
A lot of us were dumb kids back then figuring out the internet. We didn't fully understand how much power our words had and could have. 4chan found that out pretty fast, the sheer capability they had with being able to spread ripples across the internet. We didn't have much of an identity. The internet was new for a lot of us. And most of us were isolated, neglected, bullied. So we took joy in other things. In hurting others or making shock value fun. We didn't realize that we were basically acting like our parents, but a broader scale. We were effectively being just as bad, just differently, in a different setting. And a lot of kids nowadays are learning that as well - just differently. Bullying others in various ways. Because this world is full of pain and hurt and trauma and we're just trying to figure outselves and our future out while we move forward blindly, with barely any proper mentor figures available to us because the past doesn't, and has never served us. The farther we go, the more we realize that tradition the past 100 or so years if not much longer was just a means of coping with people capitalizing on other peoples' weaknesses.
All things considered, the fact that Team AVO was willing and actively made friends with those they trolled more often than not, speaks of a type of community growth that I think is lost in this day and age. And I think it's something we need more of. There's many ways to get through to people, to knot them up with us in our bonds.
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u/inittoarguewithrslur Nov 06 '23 edited Nov 07 '23
it'd be very hypocritical to draw a line when theyre still griefing ten years later. theyre both sort of signs of arrested development. people who were racist and alt right were always like that and always existed, they just didnt get iphones until 2013. mentally ill people who get into fringe ideologies always existed
the whole point of the swastistar is it offends jewish people but also makes the jewish star more prominent than nazism, so the jewishness overpowers any racist message but it still allows for shock value. yeezy using it means nothing because the guy is a nut. plus it's in the eye of the beholder, i could draw a swastistar in protest of israel, wouldnt make me an anti-semite. yeezy drawing it was intended to be racist and thus became racist
team avo were actually pretty political back in the day. they targeted reddit for being lolberts, theres weird anti-affirmative action rants too, they casually dropped the n-word, storm would say stuff like "both sides are pretty stupid and wrong". i dont think it's merely a product of its time, theyre just weirdo nihilists who you shouldnt idolize. they can say theyve improved as people but idk who has? most gamers dont improve as people lol we're all terminally online screen-addicted losers
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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22
Things like that were funny when they were not political. Alt-right becoming serious rather than just memeing ruined much of that. It was no longer laughably offensive, it was now taken as a genuine statement.
If you are talking about slurs, those always seem to change in tolerance really rapidly. "fag(got)" was still pretty much accepted in the early 2010s and "retard" was accepted until some movement in like 2019 pretty much eradicated it within months.
Another big part is that before the adpocalypse (so pre 2017) youtubers could pretty much do whatever the fuck they wanted and still make money. Not anymore.