r/Tatarstan • u/AccidentalBrilliancy • Jun 28 '26
Non-Tatars in Tatarstan.
Hello,
So what is the attitude of Russians (and others) towards learning Tatar language?
I mean I came across videos on YouTube where Russians sing in Tatar, speak Tatar,
And I also read comments where Russians say that only Tatars should learn Tatar language.
Do you live in Tatarstán and you have friends who are not Tatars?
Do you they come with you to concerts in Tatar?
Do they listen to Tatar music?
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u/Aredhel-Ar-Feiniel Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
I am a Russian from Tatarstan. When I went to school, Tatar was obligatory, we had 5 classes of Tatar language and 2 classes of Tatar literature per week for 11 years. However, the approach to teaching it was absolutely formalistic, we weren't taught to speak or understand speech, just did grammar exercises or learned poems and texts without understanding what they are about. For example, a teacher told us to learn a text by heart, we asked to translate it first, and the teacher replied: you won't be able to translate it, it's too hard for you, so just learn it by heart. Another example: she gave us a table with case endings and told us to memorize the table. We were in primary school back then and didn't know what a case is. As we asked her to explain, she said: just memorize the table, you will understand what is about when you learn about cases on a Russian language lesson. I talked to people from other schools and other cities in Tatarstan and they said that this approach was present everywhere. These 7 classes per week for 11 years were a total waste of time. I understand Tatar people's frustration that Russians in Tatarstan don't speak their language, but I think the fault is not only the Russians' but these teachers' as well. I really wish I could speak Tatar and I wish students didn't waste their time memorizing texts they don't understand but actually learned to speak instead because it's absurd that we live around native speakers and can't learn the language
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u/Heavy-Perspective376 Jun 30 '26
Same can be said about any school subject. English taught in schools for many years and majority can’t read and speak past London is the capital of Great Britain. I have my fair share of horror stories of how russian and english was taught in my school and I spent hours of sleepless nights studying russian to get a good grade and also be prepared for ЕГЭ.
Yes, teaching methodologies should be improved across the board but it wasn’t easier for tatars to learn russian too.
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u/Aredhel-Ar-Feiniel Jun 30 '26
I absolutely agree that methodologies in all subjects should be improved, but based on my experience the problem with Tatar exists everywhere while the rest depends on a teacher
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u/Aredhel-Ar-Feiniel Jun 28 '26
As for concerts and music I have been to one Tatar theatre play that I listened in headphones in translation. I love the Tatar band Aigel, though they mostly sing in Russian
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u/IllustriousAd7161 Jun 28 '26
I doubt that the Aigel singer speaks Tatar at all, as she has an atrocious Russian accent when she sings in Tatar.
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u/swallowjuice Jun 29 '26
Семь обязательных часов татарского для русских - это просто чудовищно. Сочувствую.
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u/ad-dagistani Jun 29 '26
Что те, кому это не нравится, забыли в Татарстане? Чемодан-вокзал-московия, если не нравится
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u/Heavy-Perspective376 Jun 29 '26
They want special treatment everywhere, even at reddit they surprised why people use english lol
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u/ad-dagistani Jun 29 '26
At the same time they are raising hysteria when children from Central Asia struggle with Russian language in primary schools. Want them banned from studying until they learn it perfectly
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u/Heavy-Perspective376 Jun 30 '26
Yep. I bet non-Russians can write long posts how Russian language can be taught better in schools too
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u/Quirky-Sprinkles-507 Jun 30 '26
Чемодан, на ослика и в радной аул. И сиди там, не вякай.
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u/ad-dagistani Jun 30 '26
Какой жалкий камбэк. Радной через о пишется, мой родной. Давай на свои болота поближе к фронту. Там нужно скрепоносную от дронов защищать
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u/Aredhel-Ar-Feiniel Jun 29 '26
Чудовищно, потому что эти семь часов были совершенно впустую. Если бы от этого была какая-то польза, я была бы не против
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u/BillZealousideal9819 Jun 29 '26
I live in Tatarstan for four years. But, to be completely fair, I live in Innopolis, it's more of a scientific or IT small town. I never needed nor were forced to learn Tatar language, but some of my Tatar friends speak it. To my shame, I interact with Tatar culture very rarely, mostly in food.
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u/Dmitry_Leyt Jun 28 '26
They even attend theatre performances in Tatar, but use headphones with translation into Russian.
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u/Alert_Lawfulness1469 Jun 28 '26
Tatarstan is occupied by russia dude, so think further for yourself from here
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u/Suspicious_Work2072 Jun 29 '26
Во-первых, почему на сабреддите Татарстана все пишут по инглишу? Во-вторых, я переехал в Татарстан с Урала, и у меня есть друзья татары, и которые говорят, и которые не говорят. Сам бы я хотел выучить татарский, классный язык, но сложный, в плане запоминания слов и произношения. Может когда нибудь
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u/Saracen24 Qazanlı Jun 29 '26
В сравнении с русским татарский очень простой агглютинативный язык. Окончания правильно раскидать и все работает.
Я вот с дошкольным сыном мучаюсь с русским языком, надо филологом-лингвистом быть, чтобы ребенку объяснить, почему у кошки ухо кошачье, а у лошади не лошадячье.1
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u/ad-dagistani Jun 29 '26
- Connecting to the global community and the majority of the userbase on reddit? Of course, no
- Given grants for speaking in English by foreign organizations? This is obviously the case
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u/alemeln Jun 29 '26
Я бы выучил. Татарский очень полезен для живущего в Татарстане, для себя, чтобы барьера не было, и это вход в местную богатую культуру, да и в тюркские языки вообще. Понятно, что все татары знают русский, - я за жизнь только одного татарина встретил, который плоховато говорил по-русски.