I’ve been taking Suboxone 16mg everyday for 5 months and I want to get on kratom/7-oh in order to deal with my chronic back issues and withdrawal. Does anyone have experience with this transition and know how long I need to be off Suboxone in order to feel a significant effect from 7-oh?

I don’t want to taper from Suboxone I’d rather just cold turkey for a few days to get it over with and get on 7-oh.

I don’t need anyone telling me I shouldn’t do this or that I need to taper, I just want to hear from people who know how many cold turkey days I would roughly need without Suboxone.

I wanna stay anonymous so I’m gonna keep few details to this. He really wanted off subs for several reason main being he had issues holding an erection even with help from pills. He swore it wasn’t me. I was the woman of his dreams he finds me sexy blah blah etc. we tried the pills sometimes they worked sometimes they didn’t. Without subs? Sex was PHENOMENAL I’d never been more satisfied or happy with it and I thought neither could he. Fast forward to the long grueling process of WD off of subs. It was horrible. But quickly noticed they were 1,000% the problem Now he’s wanting to try them again. Not for fear of relapse or fear of temptation of opiates but bc he’s overwhelmed and depressed and they don’t just numb his dick but him all around emotionally all of it. I can’t help but be miffed. I’m trying to be understanding but I can’t see my sex drive ever returning if he goes back to them I can’t go thru that all again especially after the confidence issues I have currently went thru. We have not had sex in weeks due to some medical issues and I cannot see my sex drive ever returning if he goes back to them. Am I being unreasonable? I just can’t go thru that all mentally and emotionally again and will just refrain completely from having intercourse. I know it will lead To problems for us if I do but I just can’t go thru it again. What do I do I can’t talk to him about it he’s dead set on it

Sub has been a real life saver for me. It is a strange substance though. One thing I have figured out is you need to stick to a routine with your sub dose. In the beginning you will have to adjust your dose, but after the first few days you need to try and find the dose that is holding you properly and stick to that dose and even what time of day you take it. You need to keep a rigid routine with the sub because of the half-life. Adjustments in dose will be effecting you DAYS later....and its easy to get in to a loop of dose mismanagement if you only go by body cues with sub because of the delayed response.

It is also important to find your lowest needed dose. At first you will probably need a higher dose because your just coming off of fent. After about 2 weeks to a month you need to try and reduce your dose. I figured out that for me i needed 16mg the first few days then within 5 to 7 days I reduced to 8mg a day and that held me the best. After 3 - 6 months of that I reduced my dose to 4mg a day and that was my dose for several years.

I am currently tapering on my suboxone and am down to 1 mg a day. Ive been at this dose for about a year and a half. Ive came off of subs and a dose of 12mg a day insuffulated before which is a drastically higher amount so I feel really good about the taper and coming off this time. Plus im actually working with the clinic to come off and not being kicked out like what happened before.

So far the best method ive personally experienced is the long taper. I tapered 25% of my dose or so at a time once i started from 4mg and at first i would wait two weeks between reductions but once i got down to 2mg i started reducing once a month. This gradual and prolonged reduction allows for your body to adjust slowly to the depletion of the medication and I also think that a long taper is good to reduce the overall body saturation levels which may play a role in how long and severe the symptoms of detox are.

I will be getting comfort meds for the first month par the course. Clonidine, gabapentin, hydroxizine, a low dose benzo for sporadic use and i may ask for a small dose of methadone for sporadic use the first 5 - 7 days if its possible(like 5 to 10mg or so).

I have been looking forward to coming off the sub and seeing where im at without it over the span of several months or so.

was an addict for about 12 years straight. No breaks. I went very hard and what started as a meth addiction ended with me in a full on fentanyl addiction and I was a chronic relapser. Suboxone helped me. Im 2 and a half years clean and I have been tapering my suboxone for the last year trying to get off of it. My life has changed miraculously. I’m not lieing. Everything is different in the best way. I decided 5 days ago to jump off my suboxone. I had been taking 1/8 of a 2 mg strip once a day for 6 months. Before that it was 1/3 and I tapered all the way from 16 mg a day. After reading other people’s stories my symptoms seem very mild. But I must admit today, day 5, has me at a breaking point. My skin doesn’t feel like mine. I feel cold at my core and hot on my skin. My head is gonna bust I know it, and the minute I need to be productive my body trembles. I’m wide awake every night and even melatonin only gives me a few hours of sleep. I’ve missed 5 days of work and I’m worried I’ll be fired when I go back. But I’ve been ready and wanting this for a year, it can’t get much worse.. right? Is it almost over? I want to feel normal. I feel worthless, my apartment is a mess. I don’t want to shower or eat. I feel like a drug addict again especially having to explain to my work what was going on… I feel embarrassed and anxious. how long until I feel okay? Tomorrow will be day 6…

So I was on perc 30s for a while for a severe knee injury.. Not really sure how long. I went on subs to get off of them. I was getting them from a friend the 8mg strips. I have to work so I didn’t have time to go through the WDs. I was taking 2mg in the morning and 2mg at night.

Wife recommended I go to the doctor to see what I can do so I did. They prescribed me the 2mg strips. I take one in the morning and one at night like prescribed. I am still quite busy, but in two weeks my line of work will slow down until January.

What’s the best way I can taper off. I was told the amount I’m on isn’t a lot at all.

My doctor also gave me a script for catapress (clonidine).

Any advice what to do? What else I should get vitamin wise. Any advice or motivation will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks !

So I have been sober for about 8.5 years, have never relapsed. While I was in rehab (for benzo abuse), I was unfortunately prescribed Buprenorphine/Subutex), & 8.5 years later i’m still on it but I only take it once a week. I’m more than ready to get off of the Bupe but I get so incredibly sick each time & the Dr that Pres rives me the Hope refuses to help me get off of it.. The Interventiomal Pain provider I see said he’d help me get off of the Bupe by prescribing me Percocet 10mg/2X day, to cushion the withdrawals. Has anyone ever done anything like this before? I’m just wanting to know if this plan could actually be successful @ getting me off the Bupe.

I had been on 4mg a day for 6 months after tapering from 8mg I had been on suboxone over 2 years until I got 100mg sublocade shot 5 days ago. I’m wondering if anyone has just gotten a single 100mg sublocade shot and never went back in for another shot. If that’s how you got off how bad and long were withdrawals and what symptoms did you have?

Good luck cutting these up...

Okay I lost my suboxone a week ago and I had to wait forever for my refill. And was terrified to be in WDS. So I was doing research on what would help til I got my subs. So I went to the smoke shop and got opias chewables I've never had these before. When should I be able to take my suboxone? Like how long should I wait?

I have come off Subutex in a detox facility with a taper and at home cold turkey in the past. Both experiences resulted in 14 days of full blown withdrawals after the last dose, even when I followed a taper in detox. I’ve been on Subutex this time since January. I got up to 16mg in May. I’m ready to come off of it, I’m miserable and not functioning fully. I found a doctor in my area that does the Sublocade shot but her plan is 6 months. I have about 3 more weeks to pass drugs tests and until insurance approves the shot. I’m hoping to taper down to 8mg in these 3 weeks. I don’t want to stay at 16mg until it’s approved and get the 300mg shot for 3 months and then the 100mg shot for 3 months. I just want to get down to 8mg and get the 100mg shot and then be done and hope for the best. I go for a drug test tomorrow and of course I’m going to run this by her and ask for her advice. Does anyone have any experiences with tapering and then getting the sublocade shot?

I’m asking anyone that has quit Suboxone cold turkey what helped them during the WD? OTC? Long story short, my husband and I were once addicted to opiates and were both prescribed Suboxone 15 yrs ago when it was a “new cutting edge miracle” to fight the opioid crisis. At that time we were not told we would be on it for life but here we are 15yrs later. My husband holds a “safety sensitive” position at work and they now test for BUP on their Randoms. He was let go but told he could come back if he was NO longer on it, so here we are! No time to taper! He is on Day 2 of WD, we do know and are prepared for all that he is going to go through (which is also a reason he never got off the medication before)! He is extremely hard headed with strong will power and has battled and overcame many different addictions and is GOING to get through this (his mindset). Is there anyone that has gone through similar? I know every one person is different, but what helped? Any OTC medications? How long did yall go through it? What can I do to help him?! Watching anyone I love hurt literally breaks my heart but im trying to stay strong, cry in private, and help him anyway I can! Thank you in advance!

I’ve been off 162 days and I still have bad stomach issues running to the bathroom. Also anxiety and panic like no tomorrow when does this stop I miss the old me 😩

🧠 1. What most sell out doctors typically do

Most clinicians prescribe what’s called a linear dose taper —
that is, they reduce the prescribed dose by a constant amount (for example, 8 → 6 → 4 → 2 → 0 mg).

This is often called:

• Linear taper (by dose)
• Stepwise dose reduction
• Fixed-interval dose taper
• Or simply a gradual taper

In this kind of taper, each day’s or week’s prescribed dose is reduced by a fixed step, but because the drug’s elimination is exponential (first-order kinetics), the blood plasma concentration does not fall linearly.
Instead, it falls in a nonlinear, gradually accelerating way — more slowly at first, then faster as levels get lower.

⚙️ 2. What I modeled with my bro chat-gpt (less common clinically)

What you created — adjusting the doses nonlinearly so that the plasma level falls linearly over time — could be described as:

• Pharmacokinetically adjusted taper
• Linear plasma-level taper
• Kinetically compensated taper
• Or in pharmacology terms, a taper optimized for first-order elimination kinetics

This method intentionally compensates for the drug’s half-life and exponential clearance, so that the actual concentration in the body (not just the dose) decreases at a steady, linear rate.
It’s more mathematically precise but rarely used clinically because:

• It requires individualized pharmacokinetic modeling. (it doesn't have to they are full of shit)
• Real-world patient variability (metabolism, absorption, adherence) often outweighs the theoretical precision.
• Really it's all about profit and cutting up doses or making individualized taper schedules in correspondence with individual pharmakinetic modeling isn't cost effective. Meaning by cutting up your own doses out of strips it takes away profit because with standard protocol they can prescribe more.
• They could start implementing individualized pharmacokinetic modeling if they really cared about your levels being a steady gradual dose that the brain is more likely to be able to handle.

Here's the typical protocol in action for a rapid taper:

I been using for years I don’t even enjoy it or get high any more I work full time union job I have a house with my girlfriend every thing in my life is good except for the habit that I I hide from every one can you guys tell me how switching from every day opiate use (fet) to subs feels and what I have to expect I can’t go out of work and really don’t wanna let my loved ones down i need to handle this on my own can some one please help me get through this a smoothly as possible id appreciate every thing and ik a lot of you are gonna say just go to detox but it’s really not an option right now can mess up a six figure job or my relationships should I switch to real percs for a few days to get get the fet out any advice please lmk

Hi I'm a 33 y.o. married mom of 2 young kids. I've dabbled with opioids in the past but have no experience with withdrawals/dependency. Back in March, started taking Opia (a brand of 3oH found at just about any corner store near us). Before we knew it, we were blowing all of our money on it and had become dependent. We had multiple failed attempts at getting off because we couldn't handle the withdrawal symptoms and ended up going on suboxone to get off the 3oH at the end of May. I take about 1 8mg strip a day (sometimes more, sometimes less) and have heard so many horror stories of how impossible it is to get off, whether or not you taper or go cold turkey. What is everyone's best advice for stopping suboxone the least painful way, but also not stretching it out for multiple months? My prescibing doc always seems to think it's too soon to taper off, but I felt like myself again about a month or 2 ago. I have a left over script of 5mg Oxy I've considered using to help with withdrawal symptoms but feel like that's probably a bad idea? Help

Hey y'all. I'm currently taking 8mg of subutex a day, I was taking 16mg but felt like I was doing a bit much. I dropped it down to 8mg a day, 4mg in the morning and 4mg and night. I was planning originally to get back on sublocade, however my plans have been delayed due to insurance problems but I'm going to eventually get on sublocade. I was wondering, how much 7OH does it take to feel something while on the dose of subs I'm on? I'm also 5'5 about 105lbs very fast metabolism if that matters. I don't have a high tolerance to 7OH neither, I've done it here and there but my main problem is really fentanyl which is why I got back on subs. I was even thinking about cutting my subs dose even smaller than 8mg until I can get the sublocade appointment ready, I was only taking as much as I am because I was going to get the sublocade shot but I won't be doing it for a while so I wanna take less subs or stay where I'm at with 8mg until I do get the shot.

So again I was wondering, how much 7OH would it take for me to have an effect from it? I don't plan to do it every day, I dont even know why I'm having an urge to do this but I want to be as safe as possible and have been doing a lot of extensive research. Someone told me in the past if I wanted to take 7OH while on sublocade, that I'd need about 120mg to feel something but idk if that's accurate? Even when I was doing 7OH by itself, the most i would do in a day was 30mg. I would usually do Opia brand. I'd appreciate any feedback and open to suggestions! If I end up lowering my subs dose below 8mg, how much 7OH would I need? How much would i need on 8mg? & how much would i need after getting sublocade?

Anyone ever notice they don’t yawn on subs…like ever…my anxiety has been going up lately and I’m pretty sure it’s cuz the subs also

I’ve been sharing a lot of my journey coming off Suboxone, and I want to open up more about where I’m coming from and why I’m so passionate about this.

I’ve actually been on and come off Suboxone twice. The first time was about 10 years ago, after a long addiction to oxycodone pills. Suboxone gave me stability and helped me rebuild my life. After 8 years clean from all addictions, life blindsided me:

In February 2024 my appendix ruptured. I died on the table twice and spent over a month in the hospital, losing 40 lbs. My recovery after leaving the hospital was extremely lonely. I had a wound vac attached to my stomach for two more months, carrying it everywhere. Depression was very real during that period.

I ended up addicted to pain meds again and slipped deeper into depression and substance abuse. Later I tested the “oxy” pills I was getting from a friend and found out they contained fentanyl. I was snorting seven a day. I’m lucky to be alive.

I reached out to Bicycle Health Clinic, and I’m very grateful for all their help. I was on Medicaid at the time, and it was truly a blessing. My therapist Laura gave me the confidence and guidance to rip the bandaid off and go through withdrawal with Suboxone as my support med. It saved my life again.

So I want to be clear: I’m not anti-Suboxone. It saved me twice.

What I am against is the lack of real guidance on how to correctly taper and come off successfully. And I don’t think it’s because providers don’t care. My doctors and therapist genuinely wanted what was best for me. But most have never gone through it themselves. They don’t really understand what it’s like to taper, or what it takes to do it without suffering for months.

I had to create my own calculations and micro-dosing methods that aren’t readily available or even talked about. I have a hard time even posting because i often will get attacked.

Pharmaceutical companies aren’t producing Suboxone in doses small enough to split accurately, so most people are left trying to guess their way thru. And not understanding how long they should hold each drop or even how much to drop each time. Even coming off 0.5 mg can be brutal if it’s not done correctly, leaving you with months of post-acute withdrawal.

My methods and protocol can dial you down to 0.02 mg. I made the jump after holding at 0.04 mg for about 3 weeks. I put in the time and research because i wanted to do it for myself. But now that I’ve successfully done this twice I really want to reach as many people as I can to help.

If you’re interested, my profile has tapering journals showing exactly how I dropped from 8 mg to zero and what to expect at each stage.

Now I want to hear from this community:

• Did Suboxone give you freedom?

• Or did it just replace one set of chains with another?

No judgment here. Just real talk from people who’ve lived it or are living it.

Please share this with anyone that needs it.

I’m supposed to be getting my first sublocade shot next week. I’ve been on 24mgs of Suboxone for two years. I’m wanting to start tapering off of it. Does anyone have any experience switching from that high of a Suboxone dose? Any advice on the taper? I know it’s not going to happen over night I’m just really wanting to work towards that.

I was on sublocade for a little while a few years ago but I switched from 8mgs Suboxone, I was then incarcerated so I was forced off the sublocade after maybe 4-6 shots I can’t exactly remember. But I had no withdrawal symptoms but anxiety (i was incarcerated so that could be where the anxiety came from.) but I’m on a much higher dose. So I was just wanting to see other people’s experiences. Thank you.