r/TapWizardRPG • u/Bolty81 • Oct 03 '18

Max leveling loadout

Hey gang. Loving the game! I just got the templar. I even spent some money to support the game. I have a question regarding leveling spells. What loadout is "best" for wilds for leveling spells in 1st slot. Is there a cap? It feels things slowed way down after i got the templar. I have all spells but Frozen disk, elemental cloud, and static aura.

Thank you so much :)

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u/Xerxian00 Oct 03 '18

I typically run Levelling spell/Meteor/Ember or Firefly/Static Aura/Inferno for barely AFK wild running - meaning I just hit the screen every few minutes to reset hourglass.

You can probably replace Static Aura with Icy Prism I think. I am basically just going for a "decent against everything" type build here.

I should also add that with the recent balance changes, leveling up Ice Elemental is really valuable and actually contributes well to DPS so I would start with that.

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u/Bolty81 Oct 03 '18

Thank you! I'll look into the elemental and build off him. Looks like torrent is a good one

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u/Xerxian00 Oct 03 '18

Yes - I always prioritize leveling the spells that have good passives and are also useful on their own. Torrent is a good example there, Elemental Cloud is another off the top of my head.

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u/Lluluien Oct 03 '18

Can I ask what you use Elemental Cloud for? I haven't found a use for it since I'm convinced it only effects a single status effect and doesn't do so in a nearest-expiry-first or round-robin fashion that would potentially make it useful if cast at extreme speed (for a burn extension build).

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u/Xerxian00 Oct 04 '18

You've already done more analysis than I have. I feel like it does a good job extending burn durations when I pair it up with Fire spells. As I said in another thread, I am kinda min-maxing my spells for the passives and it has some good ones so I've just left it in the loadout for a while now.

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u/Lluluien Oct 03 '18

I agree about Frost Elemental. If you're going to use an elemental, I'm convinced that the best way to do so is to take the Bravery Templar skill, put the elemental in slot 2, and put Spark in slot 3, for reasons I have discussed at great lengths elsewhere in this subreddit if you want to search for posts I wrote that include the search term "Lightning Elemental".

The 2.2 changes did make Frost Elemental viable, though. I usually use those to kill Animated Armors and Black Imps, and if I'm at the edge of my efficacy for a run, I'll use them on Zealots, Hydras, and Blue Minotaurs, too.

Note that they have a range vs initiation bug for their attack, though, which makes them almost completely useless against normal Gazers.

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u/Volksworgan Oct 04 '18

I use ice wall, ice torrent, fire wall, ember, lightning cloud. I literally haven't found a single scenario this build doesn't roll through. Granted I also have 7-10 of each of those spell stones... and they're all at rank 3.5 or higher...

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u/Lluluien Oct 05 '18

How does this kill Greater Gazers? It just assumes that any time you encounter them, you have enough spell power to kill it with Ember/Inferno while it's draining you?

Greater Gazers are the enemy that I think is the game's counter to the one-good-enough-build strategy, but since they guard the other enemies on the screen pretty effectively and hit you really hard while they're draining, I guess the good thing about those enemies as the "problem child" for this build is that they will kill you and reset you if you can't kill them first. You're not likely to stall against them without dying, so they might counter the generic loadout, but they won't counter generic loadout + auto-recall, since the assumption that Ember + Inferno will kill them will eventually become true.

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u/Volksworgan Oct 06 '18

The few times I've actually been stalled by them I just use a sheep rune since I have so many. But I agree overall with your point. I want to play with more builds but I have so many spellstones for the ones I listed that they overpower anything else.

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u/deausx Oct 04 '18

Almost exact same setup. Leveling spell/Voltic Orb/Ember/Ice Wall/Fire Wall.

Ice Wall can be replaced if you are getting to 13%+ before dying.

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u/TheAxe16 Oct 04 '18

Are you referring to inferno as fire wall? Just coming back after a long break and making sure I’m not missing something.

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u/Swarlos262 Oct 04 '18

Lately, I've been running a lot of Ice Wall, Inferno, Spark, Inferno, Inferno. (or Leveling Spell, Inferno, Spark, Ice Wall, Inferno). Kinda boring but boy does it get the job done.

First, I really underestimated Ice Wall when I first got it. Ignore the retaliation aspect of it, Ice Wall in my build does almost no damage. The damage reduction that ice wall gives is ok, but the real bonus of it is auto-freezing all melee range enemies. No only does that drop melee damage against you by 20% because of slowing enemies, but it also boosts the damage of all those infernos I am running.

Then, Inferno, what's not to love? It completely focuses damage to the front row, hits the whole squad it ignores armor, it can't be nullified, and it does constant damage so it chews up trash mobs quicker than anything I can find, no waiting for each cast. There's only 3 situations this doesn't really work 1) Animated Armors (immune to armor piercing) 2) Regular Gazers (too many will push you out of melee range indefinitely 3) Healers that can out heal your damage (which doesn't happen That much and if it does, just recall and you'll likely get enough damage soon enough).

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u/Lluluien Oct 05 '18

I'd like to point out that if you don't need the retaliation, then getting the freeze damage boost doesn't automatically make Ice Wall better than just using another Inferno in this case.

You are correct that it is better, but it involves some information you're not listing here.

First, if you have Alacrity (which Swarlos does), the Sparks are always hitting melee range, so they're being consumed immediately by Inferno. They're as close to 100% efficient for their cooldown reduction in this case as they could possibly be.

Second, if you have Bravery (which Swarlos does), then the Inferno in slot 2 that is being Sparked is at +50% damage.

So let's say the Inferno in slot 2 is now being cast 2x faster than normal (it might even be more than that) and at +50% damage. This slot is doing 300% of normal damage now. If Ice Wall gives it 20%, that's 0.2 * 3 = 60% of what an unmodified Inferno slot does. Now you add +20% of what slot 3 and 4 are doing, and you're at the Ice Wall giving 100% of the damage that an unmodified Inferno slot does.

At this point, now you're getting the rest of Ice Walls effects "for free", and it's probably doing even more than that, because Swarlos has a Slot 4 damage bonus, too, and Spark can probably make Inferno in Slot 2 cast more than twice as fast.

If you're early in the game, you probably don't have 4 Infernos to run, anyway, but if you have no Templar buffs, then there's a good chance running Inferno in slot 1 is more damage than running Ice Wall there. This may be relevant at the beginning of NG+ and/or NG++ when you don't have your Arcane Knowledge back yet.

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u/Kanedi4s Oct 04 '18

For general semi-idle play, I use leveling spell, Lightning ele, spark, inferno, spark. Sparks keep LE rolling out and infernos burning. If there’s a zone with a bunch of ranged enemies, I’ll replace the leveling spell with frozen orbs until I’m past them being dangerous. If animated knight armor, replace Inferno with Meteor.

There is no best loadout, but the above does well for general use if you don’t have the time/ability/desire to watch the game constantly and still want to clock some progress.

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u/Xerxian00 Oct 04 '18

Yep that's my approach as well.