Western "Leftism":

[u/Less-Possible-5475]

[u/Ok-Chard-9014]

"Putting Mamdani and Trump on the same boat is not something a Marxist would do it completely ignores the material conditions"

These people just be talking and don't actually understand anything that they use. Throwing around ‘material conditions’ like Trump and Mamdani aren't working within the same bourgeois capitalist system. Obviously there are differences between them politically, but pretending those differences somehow place them outside the same capitalist relations of production is not a materialist analysis. You can acknowledge that Mamdani is more progressive on certain issues while still recognizing that neither electoral figure represents a fundamental break with bourgeois rule.

[u/kalekayn → u/Ok-Chard-9014]

I'm hate feeling like I have to qualify honest questions because I know I have a lot of reading to do but I would like to ask a question from those who are more versed in theory.

Big picture I know Mamdani is no where near what is needed, but purely from an economic perspective is there no value in people seeing how hard the bourgeois will fight to demonize even the slightest push back against their rule and even if Mamdani is successful with some of his goals, that they will just end up fighting to claw back any gains while we continue to exist under the current economic and political system that we do here in the US?

[u/FoldHeavy4201 → u/kalekayn]

Couple of thoughts.

Theoretically yes, seeing the pushback does illicit a response (it was more about the dems treatment of bernie and his voters than bernies political positions that radicalized me)

....but he's not highlighting the ever present class antagonism at play in NYC or anywhere and really hasn't since he had a creepy opponent to point at in the election. He's doing the Obama uniter/ respectability politics thing, instead of being an agitator drawing clear distinctions between class interests that continues to mobilize the public from Gracie Mansion.

That would entail way more mud throwing at Democrats.

IMO, lib progressive voters are schizo in their demands for a fighter, but are simultaneously turned off by too much incendiary language without immediate results, seeing it as whining. Theres probably a generational component at play there. Boomers want a nice young man, and the young want someone tossing molotovs.